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[Alpe d'Huez]

Raider-Falcon game was painful to watch. Like a pre-season game. Vikings still look good. The sea of white jerseys, pants, and fans wearing t-shirts was like watching a Chargers or Colts game.

It looks like the Gunslinger dodged a huge bullet. Reid says nothing is broken & the ankle is just "sore." The way his leg was bent backwards...

Dude has a long history of being a drama queen. "Oh no! My ankle! Refs need to throw more flags to keep me safe!" Then he magically heals and wins the Super Bowl MVP.

Sure, Pat.

There’s a higher chance of an asteroid hitting earth than John Schneider investing in an OL. And Seattle needs to draft a QB.

Sad, but true. Schneider's entire career as GM has been similar to John Lynch in this regard. Much more focus on skill players, and then the D. OL is like the bottom of the priority list. Then look at teams like the Eagles, Steelers, Packers, Ravens, even the Bills and Chiefs, and they frequently look to FA and the draft to build the trenches.

Not sure who they think they can draft at QB coming up though. Might find someone fall to them in the 2nd or 3rd round?

Herbert could only muster 2 TDs against an average defense --- do you still believe he's not a bust? And if the Chargers keep getting horse whipped like this, Harbough is going to have even more health issues. Lol.

A bust? JaWalrus Russell was a bust. Deshaun Watson is a bust at this point.

And I've been the one pointing out how Herbert can't find the end zone when it matters. I've also repeatedly brought up how he's showered in praise not for what he's done, but on his potential, year over year now. How he's not worth the $265m contract they gave him. He's 7th overall in QB average contract pay. But when you look at the stats, he's currently 18th in QBR, 13th in passer rating, 16th in yards, and 17th in TDs. Basically the Chargers are paying $50m a year, about a 6th of their salary cap, to an average starting QB. Oh, that's right, "But he has potential." Okay, sure.

I'll write about Herbert in your language: They are paying him "win us playoff games and get us to at least the AFC Championship" type money. Something he should be doing by next year, and the three seasons after that, as his contract is heavily backloaded, with a whopping $71m cap hit in 2028 (Super Bowl MVP type money!). They are in contention now - mostly because of their D,, though he had a very bad game on Sunday. But he really should have at least one impressive playoff game this year. And if he fails to get some consistent playoff wins by next season, especially with the QB whisperer HC they hired, then he will enter bust status.

 

[Nomad]

Dude has a long history of being a drama queen. "Oh no! My ankle! Refs need to throw more flags to keep me safe!" Then he magically heals and wins the Super Bowl MVP.

Sure, Pat.

C'mon, look at the dynamics of the injury - right leg twisted backwards with his whole lower body contorted. We've seen these types of circumstances where injuries have been fractured bones or ruptured tendons/ligaments. He's dodged a bullet big time.

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/sJv2I_VKo5A?si=RGs-B3qwPu2Xdnn7

Maybe he sits the Houston game & plays with pain killers in the big one on Xmas against Pittsburgh. Or maybe they rest him the remainder of the season. They've got the division locked up & their primary goal is to 3-peat.

 

[Nomad]

Ridiculous - wasn't flagged. Pacheco fined for his aggressive style of play. Lol.

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/rs_7423LNug?si=DvF6-x678WPJ5Cnl

 

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Falcons HC Raheem Morris names Michael Penix starting QB, benches Kirk Cousins

Browns to bench Jameis Winston, start Dorian Thompson-Robinson vs. Bengals

 

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QB Teddy Bridgewater plans to return to NFL after coaching alma mater to state title

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Falcons had no choice. Cousins is finished. Could barely beat the Raiders back-up players. What a total waste of money.

Bridgewater must have watched the Falcons-Raiders game.

 

[Unchained]

Rex Ryan...Pete Carroll....Marvin Lewis

Nobody is getting fired all responsibility will be shouldered by Broc Purdy and McCaffrey getting popped out of the lineup with broken parts.

 

[jmdirt]

The question was posed this morning: Broc Purdy for $150 MIL (three years) or Sam Darnold for half of that? That's easy, Sam. At even money? 50/50 maybe.

Sam would be crazy to turn down a repsectable offer from MIN ($20-$25 MIL/year), and MIN would be crazy not to offer one. I could see both sides only wanting to make a one year deal because of the rook in the building.

 

[Nomad]

Nobody is getting fired all responsibility will be shouldered by Broc Purdy and McCaffrey getting popped out of the lineup with broken parts.

So, the 9ers are going to blame Purdy & not resign him pursuing a new QB instead? Lol. Purdy is going to make the excuse that he didn't have CMC all year. And in the same token he's probably going to be asking for top money as he "believes" he's the franchise QB for the organization. Lol

IMO, the responsibility falls all on Shanahan on this one. It's his responsibility to find a suitable replacement for CMC. Out of all positions, RB is one of most expendable. They can be replaced by backups & FAs. KC plugged in Kareem Hunt when Pacheco went down & really didn't miss a beat. Shanahan is the captain of the ship - it's his responsibility to overcome adversity & not make excuses.

What I failed to understand is the sorrow & sympathy people have if Shanahan were to be fired. And why feel sorry for a NFL coach? Do you guys realize the minute that he's fired, his phone would be lit up with OC offers at probably a dozen or so teams! He'd be unemployed for a nanosecond. Lol. Look at all these fired coaches sitting pretty in coordinator jobs with some them eventually getting a second shot at a HC gig (Fangio, Hackett, Joseph, etc). Even Varble is working as a "coaching & personal consultant" making 6 figures with Cleveland. Lol.

So Shanahan would have to take a pay cut from his top 10 HC salary to that of a coordinator (average salary $1.5m). OMG!...let's start crying - poor Shanahan would have to stand on a street corner begging for money. Lol. Don't feel sorry for these HCs - they're some of the most arrogant people on the planet.

 

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Are the Chiefs the worst 12-1 team of all time? We ranked the bottom five

Aaron Schatz ranked the worst 12-1 teams ever by DVOA and point differential. How do the 2024 Chiefs stack up, and what's next for them?

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So, the 9ers are going to blame Purdy & not resign him pursuing a new QB instead? Lol. Purdy is going to make the excuse that he didn't have CMC all year. And in the same token he's probably going to be asking for top money as he "believes" he's the franchise QB for the organization. Lol

IMO, the responsibility falls all on Shanahan on this one. It's his responsibility to find a suitable replacement for CMC. Out of all positions, RB is one of most expendable. They can be replaced by backups & FAs. KC plugged in Kareem Hunt when Pacheco went down & really didn't miss a beat. Shanahan is the captain of the ship - it's his responsibility to overcome adversity & not make excuses.

What I failed to understand is the sorrow & sympathy people have if Shanahan were to be fired. And why feel sorry for a NFL coach? Do you guys realize the minute that he's fired, his phone would be lit up with OC offers at probably a dozen or so teams! He'd be unemployed for a nanosecond. Lol. Look at all these fired coaches sitting pretty in coordinator jobs with some them eventually getting a second shot at a HC gig (Fangio, Hackett, Joseph, etc). Even Varble is working as a "coaching & personal consultant" making 6 figures with Cleveland. Lol.

So Shanahan would have to take a pay cut from his top 10 HC salary to that of a coordinator (average salary $1.5m). OMG!...let's start crying - poor Shanahan would have to stand on a street corner begging for money. Lol. Don't feel sorry for these HCs - they're some of the most arrogant people on the planet.

OC job ? i think he would walk into another head coach's job if he wanted it. Kingsbury is expected to interview for upcoming head coach jobs. Some Bears fans and local NFL commentators have even been talking about signing Shanahan or trading for him. John Lynch got the giggles..............don't see Purdy getting less than 50 mill, many are saying it will be higher. Now the usual silly talk about Shanahan signing Cousins. Yes maybe five years ago, not now. Lynch has pretty much said they are moving forward with Purdy, the price is the only thing not set yet. expect the Vikings to re-sign Darnold unless Darnold gets a better offer from another winning team. He would have no motivation to go to another Jets or Panthers , been there done that...........

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

If I read the numbers right, if the Falcons cut Cousins after June 1st, they will have paid him about $90m to play just 14 games on their roster. Believe it or not, this is still a better "deal" than what the Broncos had with Wilson, and much better than the worst contract in sports history: Deshaun Watson.

Agree the 49ers failure falls on Shanahan's shoulders more than any other. Lynch is somewhat to blame. They actually had decent back-up RBs, but their OL is patchy, which falls on both Lynch and Shanahan. They also paid Ayiuk a huge extension, which many people questioned at the time, and he got hurt and again, SF didn't have a back-up plan. The same goes for their D, really. I think they expected Hufanga to come back at 99% of what he was, and probably Greenlaw too. None of that happened. They were irrationally optimistic.

If Shanahan were fired tomorrow several teams would be scrambling to hire him as their HC. Bears, Jets, probably even the Raiders, Giants and Jaguars, even though they haven't fired their HC's (yet) .

SF can try all they can to tell his agent that Purdy is a "game manager", but I don't see that sticking. I see Purdy getting a team-friendly structured 4-year deal for about $50m a year. I know this sounds like huge money, but it would only put him in about the top 10 in QB pay.

Darnold is going to get more than $25m a year. He's looking at Derek Carr type money. $35-40 a year. The Vikings would be lucky to sign him to a 2-year, $80m deal. I can't see them paying him further out than that because of JJ, and if you look around the league, and how bad the QB situation is for so many teams, there will be a bidding war for his talent.

This year's Chiefs remind me of the 2020 Steelers who started the season 11-0.

Broncos play at the Chargers tomorrow night. Should be a good game. Two overachieving teams with good defenses. Chargers beat them early this year in Denver. But I think the tables may turn here.

 

[SHAD0W93]

IMO, the responsibility falls all on Shanahan on this one. It's his responsibility to find a suitable replacement for CMC. Out of all positions, RB is one of most expendable. They can be replaced by backups & FAs. KC plugged in Kareem Hunt when Pacheco went down & really didn't miss a beat. Shanahan is the captain of the ship - it's his responsibility to overcome adversity & not make excuses.

Hunt wanted to go back to Kansas City though and already played with Reid, Nagy, Mahomes, and Kelce.

 

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Hunt wanted to go back to Kansas City though and already played with Reid, Nagy, Mahomes, and Kelce.

Hunt was on the street, as far as I know, the Chiefs were the only team offering. He had been out for a while at that point and most teams had already filled for their RB rosters. Good example of why good to average RB's no longer get paid, only the really good ones do and they eventually get injured anyway. The RB turnover is massive every season due to injuries. Barkley missed big chunks of time at the Giants as did CMC at the Panthers. Last season CMC was injury free and had a great season, this year it's Barkley's turn to shine and CMC's turn for injury.

 

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If I read the numbers right, if the Falcons cut Cousins after June 1st, they will have paid him about $90m to play just 14 games on their roster. Believe it or not, this is still a better "deal" than what the Broncos had with Wilson, and much better than the worst contract in sports history: Deshaun Watson.

Agree the 49ers failure falls on Shanahan's shoulders more than any other. Lynch is somewhat to blame. They actually had decent back-up RBs, but their OL is patchy, which falls on both Lynch and Shanahan. They also paid Ayiuk a huge extension, which many people questioned at the time, and he got hurt and again, SF didn't have a back-up plan. The same goes for their D, really. I think they expected Hufanga to come back at 99% of what he was, and probably Greenlaw too. None of that happened. They were irrationally optimistic.

If Shanahan were fired tomorrow several teams would be scrambling to hire him as their HC. Bears, Jets, probably even the Raiders, Giants and Jaguars, even though they haven't fired their HC's (yet) .

SF can try all they can to tell his agent that Purdy is a "game manager", but I don't see that sticking. I see Purdy getting a team-friendly structured 4-year deal for about $50m a year. I know this sounds like huge money, but it would only put him in about the top 10 in QB pay.

Darnold is going to get more than $25m a year. He's looking at Derek Carr type money. $35-40 a year. The Vikings would be lucky to sign him to a 2-year, $80m deal. I can't see them paying him further out than that because of JJ, and if you look around the league, and how bad the QB situation is for so many teams, there will be a bidding war for his talent.

This year's Chiefs remind me of the 2020 Steelers who started the season 11-0.

Broncos play at the Chargers tomorrow night. Should be a good game. Two overachieving teams with good defenses. Chargers beat them early this year in Denver. But I think the tables may turn here.

Think he'll get 40, similar to the Baker deal at the Buccs and the way Baker is currently playing he will earn more if this continues. Daniel Jones also was getting 40 so is Carr, Geno about 36. Even good back up can earn 12 or so. which is almost top RB money.

 

[Nomad]

If Shanahan were fired tomorrow several teams would be scrambling to hire him as their HC. Bears, Jets, probably even the Raiders, Giants and Jaguars, even though they haven't fired their HC's (yet) .

Alright then, I'll revise my earlier statemen to say; "his phone would be lit up with HC offers" Lol. This is the good ole boys club & the revolving door of HCs being taken care of. But yet fans aren't demanding his firing & many of the zombie fans would probably shed a tear or two if he got axed. And the $$$ these HCs make for basically doing nothing is absolutely egregious! It's the position coaches & coordinators that do all the heavy lifting.

And as said earlier, HCs are some of the most arrogant people on the planet. When they're winning they want all the glory, accolades & validation of a hero. But when they're losing, they want to be immune from any criticism, skepticism & scorn. When asked a tough question or criticized by a journalist, how many times do these as*hole coaches respond with sarcastic answers and in many instances just walk away from the podium. Lol

The 9ers go from 12-5, division title & SB appearance last year to no playoffs & possibly a losing season this year. How pathetic. But we have to cut slack to Shanahan & don't dare demand his firing, because the zombie fans will start crying & say "who else could they get to replace him." Lol

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Well, if they up and fire him, who are they going to hire to replace him? Matt Eberfleus? Urban Meyer? Josh McDaneils? Wait a minute... Didn't I post this exact same question the other day??!

Agree it's really the position coaches and coordinators who work the hardest. This has been mentioned by many insiders over the years.

And are you telling me you don't think of Sean Payton, Bill Belicheck, Nick Siriani, Sean McVey, The Harbaughs, Raheem Morris, etc. as modest, congenial, humble men?

 

[jmdirt]

Darnold is going to get more than $25m a year.

My point with that number was it should be enough to get him to stay if being on a good team, in a good situation, is more important than just making money (also pride I suppose). I wouldn't be shocked if MIN would double that to keep him. I still think that it will be a one year deal though.

 

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NFL GMs, other executives vote on 2024 season awards: Who wins MVP? Offensive Rookie of the Year?

 

[Unchained]

Alright then, I'll revise my earlier statemen to say; "his phone would be lit up with HC offers" Lol. This is the good ole boys club & the revolving door of HCs being taken care of. But yet fans aren't demanding his firing & many of the zombie fans would probably shed a tear or two if he got axed. And the $$$ these HCs make for basically doing nothing is absolutely egregious! It's the position coaches & coordinators that do all the heavy lifting.

And as said earlier, HCs are some of the most arrogant people on the planet. When they're winning they want all the glory, accolades & validation of a hero. But when they're losing, they want to be immune from any criticism, skepticism & scorn. When asked a tough question or criticized by a journalist, how many times do these as*hole coaches respond with sarcastic answers and in many instances just walk away from the podium. Lol

The 9ers go from 12-5, division title & SB appearance last year to no playoffs & possibly a losing season this year. How pathetic. But we have to cut slack to Shanahan & don't dare demand his firing, because the zombie fans will start crying & say "who else could they get to replace him." Lol

Many things are being said that are similar. I am not saying that San Francisco coaching staff doesn't have some responsibility for current situation, they do. I do think that Broc Purdy injured or not is punching way above his weight from his history, his pedigree or lack of one. I think the injury round table for the 49ers doesn't have the same players or better ones on the field when Purdy was suddenly sold as greatest player to never get drafted.. That last man stuff is a great back story when he is on top but if the buzz wears off all his history might just be reality. So a couple of years of proving the world wrong was upbeat and positive.. Everyone bought into the Cinderella story, But maybe we should revisit if the slippers still fit on Purdy's feet!? He is playing lots like other average quarterbacks and that's not coaching, just credentials. I was riding on the Purdy bandwagon like everyone else!! Got a positive shot in the arm as unknown became t the it guy..not saying he is Milli Vanilla or Rob Van Winkle..but kind of.. Remember that my lower reference point is Ryan Leaf..so I know what it feels like to tumble down High Expectations Mountain!! Canning the coach is baby with the bathwater stuff for me, SF has combo problems.. That said bet Cowboys are thinking.. Carolina thinking what if that guy becomes available.. Trevor Lawrence probably friended him on Facebook just in case..would not be surprised if Shannahan search history.. What is Cleveland housing market for @$2-5 million budget

 

[Nomad]

Hunt was on the street, as far as I know, the Chiefs were the only team offering. He had been out for a while at that point and most teams had already filled for their RB rosters. Good example of why good to average RB's no longer get paid, only the really good ones do and they eventually get injured anyway. The RB turnover is massive every season due to injuries. Barkley missed big chunks of time at the Giants as did CMC at the Panthers. Last season CMC was injury free and had a great season, this year it's Barkley's turn to shine and CMC's turn for injury.

Hunt stayed in great shape doing conditioning & RB specific drills over the summer. I'm sure Reid was impressed & that's why he was able to plug him in right away. Since he was drafted by KC having that phenomenal rookie season (Pro Bowler), they would definitely want him anyway (regardless if no other teams were offering)

How Kareem Hunt went from free agent to powerhouse in Chiefs return

In his return to the team that drafted him, the running back's 41 carries for 171 yards in two games have made an immediate impact.

www.espn.com

Good RBs come a dime a dozen & some really good ones can be found in the lower rounds. And if they play long enough, all will sustain a major injury or two (one exception appears to be Henry). Out of the top 15 rushing leaders this season so far, 8 were drafted in the 3rd or lower rounds including one undrafted (Rico Dowdle). #16 on the list and Tampa Bay's leading rusher & 2nd leading receiver is rookie Bucky Irving - a scatback snatched in the 4th round & a bargain blowout at less than $1m. Lol.

 

[Nomad]

Well, if they up and fire him, who are they going to hire to replace him? Matt Eberfleus? Urban Meyer? Josh McDaneils? Wait a minute... Didn't I post this exact same question the other day??!

I don't know - that's up to organization to interview candidates in the usual process when there's a coaching vacancy (why are you asking a rhetorical question?). It could be a prior HC or it could be an up & coming coordinator who's hungry for his chance. It would be a dumb reason for a team not to fire their HC because they're worried there's no else out there to replace him. Lol. If you don't fire these loser coaches, how else can these young & upcoming coordinators get their shot?

So, don't start feeling sorry for poor Kyle Shanahan because he had a bad season due to all the "injuries" & losing CMC. A good coach will overcome adversity & find a way to win. Every Sunday I see 53 gladiators take to the battlefield. You could lose your entire starters on both sides of the ball & still have plenty in reserve. And it's not like these reserves are working for minimum wage - some are being paid $2m + a year! It's Shahanan's fault if he doesn't come out of preseason camp with the best reserves who are ready to step in & get the job done when their name is called (FFS, don't teams start camp with like 80 + guys?). He's supposed to be a great evaluator of talent...isn't he?

He's not so great of a coach now - he couldn't overcome adversity just because they got hit by some "injuries" & SF misses the postseason (FFS, he's a top-10 highest paid coach!). LMAO at the 9ers!

 

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Hunt stayed in great shape doing conditioning & RB specific drills over the summer. I'm sure Reid was impressed & that's why he was able to plug him in right away. Since he was drafted by KC having that phenomenal rookie season (Pro Bowler), they would definitely want him anyway (regardless if no other teams were offering)

How Kareem Hunt went from free agent to powerhouse in Chiefs return

In his return to the team that drafted him, the running back's 41 carries for 171 yards in two games have made an immediate impact.

www.espn.com

Good RBs come a dime a dozen & some really good ones can be found in the lower rounds. And if they play long enough, all will sustain a major injury or two (one exception appears to be Henry). Out of the top 15 rushing leaders this season so far, 8 were drafted in the 3rd or lower rounds including one undrafted (Rico Dowdle). #16 on the list and Tampa Bay's leading rusher & 2nd leading receiver is rookie Bucky Irving - a scatback snatched in the 4th round & a bargain blowout at less than $1m. Lol.

I always liked him and I couldn't understand why the 49ers didn't grab him when CMC went down as Mason was also banged up. I think a week later he signed with the Chiefs..............

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

If you don't fire these loser coaches, how else can these young & upcoming coordinators get their shot?

You consider Shanahan to be a "loser" coach?? I can only imagine what you think about (enter about 27 head coaches in the NFL's name here).

All you have to do is look across the league to get a prefect sampling of what happens when you fire your head coach every other year or as soon as they have a down season. It's called years of losing. You get teams like the Raiders, Jets, Browns. The Lions before Dan Campbell. Good thing they didn't fire him after leading the team to a 3-13 record. What a loser.

So, don't start feeling sorry for poor Kyle Shanahan because he had a bad season.

Saying it would be a mistake to fire him, and feeling sorry for him, are NOT connected the way you are implying they are. No one is saying they would feel sorry for him, or any HC. You'd have to compare him to something like a healthcare CEO if you wanted it to register on some sort of comparative sympathy meter.

I always liked him and I couldn't understand why the 49ers didn't grab him when CMC went down as Mason was also banged up. I think a week later he signed with the Chiefs..............

My guess is it's been discussed for some time he would return to the Chiefs in one way or another.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Good win by the Chargers, both teams look good and can upset someone in wildcard weekend. Word on the street is Herbert dedicated this win to Nomad