Alpe d'Huez said:
Wow! Who here saw any of the Pitt-TB game? Who on the planet thought Tampa wold win? In Pittsburgh? With Mike Glennon at QB? In a big 4th quarter comeback at the last second?
Certainly not me.
Alpe d'Huez said:
Who here thought Dallas would completely blow out New Orleans? As in, game over in the 2nd quarter, cmpletely stifling the Saints offense?
That the Vikings would lose Bridgewater, not have Cassel (or Peterson) and put up 41 points on Atlanta? Plus shut down Matt Ryan in the 4th quarter?
Here, somehow. HFA+™ told me.
And, whoever starts at RB is irrelevant to teams losing or not, if he can run fast forward and cut. And that is true for 99.8 % of all drafted, undrafted, free agent RBs who ever stepped onto a NFL field.
BTW, Asiata and McKinnon combined to rush for 213 yards on 38 tries (5.6 Y/R !!)
Alpe d'Huez said:
Plus, there are the naysayers who say Glennon has a noodle arm (one of them right here on this site) and not good enough for the NFL.
Could have named me. Everybody knows it´s me saying that. And I won´t change my mind b/c of one game. The cold hard sad fact is that Glennon can´t make all the throws needed in the NFL. The cold hard fact radar gun showed a measly 49 mph ball speed at the combine. At best he´ll become a 2/3 QB in the future. Let him play against defenses like SEA, and he´ll get pulverized. If Lovie Smith started the season with a 35 yr old journeyman, that says a lot in itself about the quality of his back-up...
Alpe d'Huez said:
And what kind of career did Davey have? Compared to, say, Luck?
I thought I explained it a hundred times why-where-what-when low drafted/undrafted back-up QBs never really get a chance unless luck propells them into a starter role (IOW a injury to the opening day starter. Without that there is no Plunkett, Warner, Brady, Fitzpatrick and else stories) and thus gives them the needed reps and game speed experience... If that post came by somebody, ok. But from you Alpe? I am disappointed.
Alpe d'Huez said:
I remember Kyle Boller and his amazing arm doing a similar trick as Davey.
I only remember the myth about it. Never saw it or have other first-hand witness. And even if true, that he threw from one knee from the midfield to the goal posts. That´s not exactly 75 yards, but more like 60. A small difference of only 20%.
Alpe d'Huez said:
Jamarcus Russell, and Jim Druckenmiller, who had a canon and freakish strength and someone once said could throw from goal line to goal line (a lie, obviously), but he had a huge arm.
Russell is a mystery to not only me, but basically everybody else who praised him before being drafted (no, not only the Raiders, even scouts from other teams said he had the most impressive pre draft workouts a QB ever had). What was his problem? IIRC it was said he had bad work ethics. Maybe the monster signing bonus spoiled the kid. Who knows?
Druckenmiller? We have been there before. I don´t know much about him, actually close to zero. But I trust you of saying he had a monster arm....
Maybe the wrong system? I don´t know. Who needs a super strong armed QB when the playbook consists of like 95% five yard slant ins? Don´t get me wrong. The system worked to perfection with the guys transacting it on the field... Don´t wanna take away anything from Jerry Rice & Co...
Alpe d'Huez said:
The problem is, these guys were 1/3, maybe 2/3 at best. There are a LOT of canon armed QB's who are 1/3. Football history is littered with them. There are also a fair amount of 2/3 QB's who have won a lot of games. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning come to mind.
There are also 0/3 QBs who made it onto NFL rosters, even got some RS starts.
Why and how? I don´t know. It´s a mystery to me how the likes of Frye and McNown made the NFL.
So, kindly asking: What is you really wanna telling me?
I have said many times that arm strength is
not everything. All I said, is that the strong armed QBs should have an advantage over the same talented but weaker armed QBs.
A strong armed John Elway is simply a better version than a fictional butter armed Elway.
And for every strong armed QB bust, there is a ton of butter armed QB busts. The books are full of such guys in the long history of the NFL.
Anyway: Peace. We don´t have to agree on everything. Right?!