Hey movingtarget, SF must have a worse offensive line than Seattle, huh, having just signed Seattle RFA tackle Garry Gilliam. Seattle did not match the one year $2.2M offer Garry got.
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on3m@n@rmy said:Hey movingtarget, SF must have a worse offensive line than Seattle, huh, having just signed Seattle RFA tackle Garry Gilliam. Seattle did not match the one year $2.2M offer Garry got.
Nice input. With the new GM & coaches it will be an interesting draft to watch what they do, and telling. Especially with that overall #2 pick. Lynch, while new to the GM world, is a smart football talent guy, so that should help. I would be disappointed if they draft a QB with that #2 overall.movingtarget said:on3m@n@rmy said:Hey movingtarget, SF must have a worse offensive line than Seattle, huh, having just signed Seattle RFA tackle Garry Gilliam. Seattle did not match the one year $2.2M offer Garry got.
Their offensive line wasn't as bad as their defense who were crippled by injuries and a lack of depth but they don't have the roster Seattle has. They have plenty of holes to fill. Even though a lot of people were happy about their free agent signings there are few there that look a bit dodgy. Garcon might do well and the fullback Kyle Juszczyk from the Ravens could also do well in Shanahan's offense. Some of the others look past their used by date. This will be an important draft for the 49ers. They really need some play makers. Dallas got lucky last year with Prescott and Elliott and it seems that Chip Kelly wanted Prescott but the 49ers GM Trent Baalke said no. Of course both of those two are gone now. I think with a better GM Chip might have lasted longer but of course if it didn't convert to wins it may not have made a difference. It was probably easier for Jed York to wipe the slate clean and hire all new coaches plus the GM. It remains to be seen what comes of the shake up but the last two coaches have only lasted one season. I give Shanahan three seasons and if there isn't sizeable improvements he and Lynch the GM might be gone. If the first two years are plain bad he might be gone earlier. People are forgetting that Lynch has never been a GM before and Shanahan has never been a head coach before and even great coaches have failed in their first appointment. There will be no lack of pressure from the owners, media and fans especially after the past few years.
on3m@n@rmy said:Nice input. With the new GM & coaches it will be an interesting draft to watch what they do, and telling. Especially with that overall #2 pick. Lynch, while new to the GM world, is a smart football talent guy, so that should help. I would be disappointed if they draft a QB with that #2 overall.movingtarget said:on3m@n@rmy said:Hey movingtarget, SF must have a worse offensive line than Seattle, huh, having just signed Seattle RFA tackle Garry Gilliam. Seattle did not match the one year $2.2M offer Garry got.
Their offensive line wasn't as bad as their defense who were crippled by injuries and a lack of depth but they don't have the roster Seattle has. They have plenty of holes to fill. Even though a lot of people were happy about their free agent signings there are few there that look a bit dodgy. Garcon might do well and the fullback Kyle Juszczyk from the Ravens could also do well in Shanahan's offense. Some of the others look past their used by date. This will be an important draft for the 49ers. They really need some play makers. Dallas got lucky last year with Prescott and Elliott and it seems that Chip Kelly wanted Prescott but the 49ers GM Trent Baalke said no. Of course both of those two are gone now. I think with a better GM Chip might have lasted longer but of course if it didn't convert to wins it may not have made a difference. It was probably easier for Jed York to wipe the slate clean and hire all new coaches plus the GM. It remains to be seen what comes of the shake up but the last two coaches have only lasted one season. I give Shanahan three seasons and if there isn't sizeable improvements he and Lynch the GM might be gone. If the first two years are plain bad he might be gone earlier. People are forgetting that Lynch has never been a GM before and Shanahan has never been a head coach before and even great coaches have failed in their first appointment. There will be no lack of pressure from the owners, media and fans especially after the past few years.
Irondan said:I know this has nothing to do with the draft, but I had to post this Marshawn Lynch comp somewhere because any fan of the NFL can't help but smile when they see this guy run.
Enjoy
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000799875/Marshawn-Lynch-Career-highlights
No, me either. They would have won that game.BullsFan22 said:Irondan said:I know this has nothing to do with the draft, but I had to post this Marshawn Lynch comp somewhere because any fan of the NFL can't help but smile when they see this guy run.
Enjoy
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000799875/Marshawn-Lynch-Career-highlights
I still can't believe the Seahawks didn't run the ball.
Without complaint, he shares an office with three other people. He makes no unilateral decisions, instead consulting a five-person “board of directors”...
“Because my best thinking takes me to a prison cell,’’ Leaf explained. “I don’t make the right choices. I never have.’’
He said he stresses that being a good football player does not make you a good person — something Leaf has learned after a tumultuous NFL career followed by addiction.
“I wish I would have treated people better... that’s the biggest regret I have. But it allowed me to be humble where I could go back and make amends to those people and try to be better.
I wonder if the year off has allowed Beast Mode's body to get completely healthy?on3m@n@rmy said:And Leaf has turned it around so much that he will be at Thursday's draft, back in touch with the NFL, just not as a player.
It is finished. The $1.5M gap between Raiders & Lynch is history. Lynch has agreed to terms & he will be a Raider today pending physical. He still has to stay healthy, and if that is how it plays out this is good for everyone.
Edit: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...h-agrees-to-raiders-deal-teams-to-trade-terms
Draft rumors are swirling the Browns will trade up from the #12 spot to draft Trubisky. A guy who had 13 collegiate starts. I'd believe Deshone Watson more.
It was one of the happiest moments for me ever. I'm a Saints fan and nothing pains me more than the past years of the Saints always having to play an away game there. Last year when the Saints beat them It made my year.Irondan said:No, me either. They would have won that game.BullsFan22 said:Irondan said:I know this has nothing to do with the draft, but I had to post this Marshawn Lynch comp somewhere because any fan of the NFL can't help but smile when they see this guy run.
Enjoy
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000799875/Marshawn-Lynch-Career-highlights
I still can't believe the Seahawks didn't run the ball.
One of the all time biggest goofs in NFL history.
BeastMode says his body is now completely healthy, particularly his core. In his last 2 years at Seattle he had quite a bit of trouble with back and abdominal areas. Being that strong core muscles are essential to take and deliver hits, think what that may mean for the way he will play. If he stays healthy and does not try to avoid contact to extend his career, I predict BeastQuakes in Oakland.jmdirt said:I wonder if the year off has allowed Beast Mode's body to get completely healthy?on3m@n@rmy said:And Leaf has turned it around so much that he will be at Thursday's draft, back in touch with the NFL, just not as a player.
It is finished. The $1.5M gap between Raiders & Lynch is history. Lynch has agreed to terms & he will be a Raider today pending physical. He still has to stay healthy, and if that is how it plays out this is good for everyone.
Edit: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...h-agrees-to-raiders-deal-teams-to-trade-terms
Draft rumors are swirling the Browns will trade up from the #12 spot to draft Trubisky. A guy who had 13 collegiate starts. I'd believe Deshone Watson more.
I don't understand how teams evaluate players in general, but especially QBs. Is it old school voodoo? I think Watson will be the best QB out of this crew when we look back in a few years.
Based on....?jmdirt said:I don't understand how teams evaluate players in general, but especially QBs. Is it old school voodoo? I think Watson will be the best QB out of this crew when we look back in a few years.
Alpe d'Huez said:Based on....?jmdirt said:I don't understand how teams evaluate players in general, but especially QBs. Is it old school voodoo? I think Watson will be the best QB out of this crew when we look back in a few years.
If you're saying a weak QB draft class, that I sort of get. Though I do think DeShone Kizer may end up better, as he has a stronger, and more accurate arm, and played more than Trubiski. But even he may not pan out. But I'd be really careful about hype on Watson.
Watson is mostly known for one great game, and a few great, pressure packed drives late, against Alabama. He didn't play an pro system in college. He was fairly slow on his reads. His arm strength is relatively poor. Now, I can hear you argue that Tom Brady doesn't have a great arm. True. But Tom also reads defenses better than any QB in NFL history, and is an extremely accurate passer. Watson is not very accurate, with just over 52% completion, and threw 17 interceptions last year, in college. Yes, he has decent size (not as big as people think, NFL standards), and can run. He is physically gifted. Very few QBs make a career of of being physically gifted. More of them turn out like Colin Kaepernick (who has a much stronger arm than Watson). Even if you look at other big, or physical QB's, Cam and Big Ben come to mind, they find success as passers first.
I've said in several posts that NFL scouts and teams get enamored with college QBs, not based on anything objective, but on almost blind hope, as they've never seen the QB struggle at an NFL level. Here's some numbers that back that up (this applies to not just Watson, btw):
Since 1970, 96 QB's taken in the first around have played at least one game in the NFL over the first four years of their pro career. Only 16 managed to produce an above-average passer rating while throwing at least 1,000 pass attempts through the end of the 4th year. Only two — Jim Kelley and Dan Marino — managed to produce an above-average passer rating in each of those years. And Kelley got started in the USFL.
Put another way, there's a 5/6 probability that any first-round quarterback is unlikely to be even an average starter just 4 seasons into their career. Some quarterbacks do get hurt. And some have a rough few years, then iron things out into a very good, solid career (Jim Plunkett, Alex Smith, Big Ben again). And some sit, then become great (Aaron Rodgers). But by and large most QB's taken in the 1st round play below average football, if they play at all.
Semper Fidelis said:Alpe d'Huez said:Based on....?jmdirt said:I don't understand how teams evaluate players in general, but especially QBs. Is it old school voodoo? I think Watson will be the best QB out of this crew when we look back in a few years.
If you're saying a weak QB draft class, that I sort of get. Though I do think DeShone Kizer may end up better, as he has a stronger, and more accurate arm, and played more than Trubiski. But even he may not pan out. But I'd be really careful about hype on Watson.
Watson is mostly known for one great game, and a few great, pressure packed drives late, against Alabama. He didn't play an pro system in college. He was fairly slow on his reads. His arm strength is relatively poor. Now, I can hear you argue that Tom Brady doesn't have a great arm. True. But Tom also reads defenses better than any QB in NFL history, and is an extremely accurate passer. Watson is not very accurate, with just over 52% completion, and threw 17 interceptions last year, in college. Yes, he has decent size (not as big as people think, NFL standards), and can run. He is physically gifted. Very few QBs make a career of of being physically gifted. More of them turn out like Colin Kaepernick (who has a much stronger arm than Watson). Even if you look at other big, or physical QB's, Cam and Big Ben come to mind, they find success as passers first.
I've said in several posts that NFL scouts and teams get enamored with college QBs, not based on anything objective, but on almost blind hope, as they've never seen the QB struggle at an NFL level. Here's some numbers that back that up (this applies to not just Watson, btw):
Since 1970, 96 QB's taken in the first around have played at least one game in the NFL over the first four years of their pro career. Only 16 managed to produce an above-average passer rating while throwing at least 1,000 pass attempts through the end of the 4th year. Only two — Jim Kelley and Dan Marino — managed to produce an above-average passer rating in each of those years. And Kelley got started in the USFL.
Put another way, there's a 5/6 probability that any first-round quarterback is unlikely to be even an average starter just 4 seasons into their career. Some quarterbacks do get hurt. And some have a rough few years, then iron things out into a very good, solid career (Jim Plunkett, Alex Smith, Big Ben again). And some sit, then become great (Aaron Rodgers). But by and large most QB's taken in the 1st round play below average football, if they play at all.
All of this info - I bet someone takes a QB in the first round. Probably Texans on D.W.
For me this years QB class is weak. Just my opinion.
Alpe d'Huez said:Based on....?jmdirt said:I don't understand how teams evaluate players in general, but especially QBs. Is it old school voodoo? I think Watson will be the best QB out of this crew when we look back in a few years.
If you're saying a weak QB draft class, that I sort of get. Though I do think DeShone Kizer may end up better, as he has a stronger, and more accurate arm, and played more than Trubiski. But even he may not pan out. But I'd be really careful about hype on Watson.
Watson is mostly known for one great game, and a few great, pressure packed drives late, against Alabama. He didn't play an pro system in college. He was fairly slow on his reads. His arm strength is relatively poor. Now, I can hear you argue that Tom Brady doesn't have a great arm. True. But Tom also reads defenses better than any QB in NFL history, and is an extremely accurate passer. Watson is not very accurate, with just over 52% completion, and threw 17 interceptions last year, in college. Yes, he has decent size (not as big as people think, NFL standards), and can run. He is physically gifted. Very few QBs make a career of of being physically gifted. More of them turn out like Colin Kaepernick (who has a much stronger arm than Watson). Even if you look at other big, or physical QB's, Cam and Big Ben come to mind, they find success as passers first.
I've said in several posts that NFL scouts and teams get enamored with college QBs, not based on anything objective, but on almost blind hope, as they've never seen the QB struggle at an NFL level. Here's some numbers that back that up (this applies to not just Watson, btw):
Since 1970, 96 QB's taken in the first around have played at least one game in the NFL over the first four years of their pro career. Only 16 managed to produce an above-average passer rating while throwing at least 1,000 pass attempts through the end of the 4th year. Only two — Jim Kelley and Dan Marino — managed to produce an above-average passer rating in each of those years. And Kelley got started in the USFL.
Put another way, there's a 5/6 probability that any first-round quarterback is unlikely to be even an average starter just 4 seasons into their career. Some quarterbacks do get hurt. And some have a rough few years, then iron things out into a very good, solid career (Jim Plunkett, Alex Smith, Big Ben again). And some sit, then become great (Aaron Rodgers). But by and large most QB's taken in the 1st round play below average football, if they play at all.