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[jmdirt]

SEA with the win!
-Walker break out!
-Geno looking solid
-D figuring out how to play without a 'stud'!

Broncos in trouble 2-5 and likely out of the playoff picture already. Seahawks improving, 4-3, leading the division. The unfortunate thing is DK Metcalf injured. With Lockett already out, this is not good. Kenneth Walker crushed it today. Seattle have the best offensive and defensive rookies. This bodes well for the future and a quick rebuild.

Locket has a hami issue, but played. Had about 50 yards.
Hopefully DK's injury isn't too bad!

 

[BullsFan22]

Will be interesting to see the Seahawks Giants game next week. As much of a surprise that the Hawks have been, the Giants have been an even bigger surprise. I certainly didn’t see them at 6–1. The NFC East is strong this season. Three teams will certainly make it to the playoffs at this rate.

Are Brady and Rodgers finished?

 

[movingtarget]

Will be interesting to see the Seahawks Giants game next week. As much of a surprise that the Hawks have been, the Giants have been an even bigger surprise. I certainly didn’t see them at 6–1. The NFC East is strong this season. Three teams will certainly make it to the playoffs at this rate.

Are Brady and Rodgers finished?

Don't see either player trying another team at this stage. I think Brady is more likely to retire. I think the GB window might be closing. When Rodgers was playing at MVP level and they had a bye two seasons in a row with a great WR, I thought that was their big chance. Brady got a good win in the SB with the Bucs but I don't see them repeating. The Bills and Chiefs are too good at the moment The Eagles have looked good so far and I expect some NFC teams to pick it up before the playoffs. Remains to be seen whether the Hawks, Giants etc keep it going. The Rams, 49ers and Bucs plus GB have plenty of work to do if they want to figure in the post season.

 

[Nomad]

Broncos in trouble 2-5 and likely out of the playoff picture already.

Very much in trouble & they play the 2-5 Jaguars in London next Sunday (oh boy) - I don't if I'm going to get up early to watch this one. Lol.

Rypien sucked for the most part. I didn't see much out of him. The game was only close because the defense played it's best game shutting down Wilson. Rypien had two opportunities late in the game to get something going on the offense & tie the game with a score. His ball placement wasn't the best & he doesn't look to have that strong of an arm. I wonder if he's only in the league because of his name.

 

[jmdirt]

Will be interesting to see the Seahawks Giants game next week. As much of a surprise that the Hawks have been, the Giants have been an even bigger surprise. I certainly didn’t see them at 6–1. The NFC East is strong this season. Three teams will certainly make it to the playoffs at this rate.

Are Brady and Rodgers finished?

It seems that they are both distracted/not focused.
-For TB12 it could be the distraction of his divorce?
-For ARodg I feel like he is going through some life change?

 

[Nomad]

Almost as impressed by Seattle. Maybe more so because they were supposed to almost tank, and the Chargers were supposed to content for the AFC.

If the Chargers don't make the playoffs then I put Herbert as a bust. This is the golden boy's 3rd year at the helm - he started his rookie season & played in all the games in his 2nd year as well. If these hot shot 1st rd drafted QBs can't get their team into the playoffs by the 3rd year - then there's something wrong with them & they're overrated...period. It's not like they're not being paid well - as some of these rookie contracts are in the 20-25 million dollar range with huge signing bonuses & guarantee $$$ (Herbert signed a 4 yr contract worth 26 mil with a 16 million dollar SIGNING BONUS - Insane!). They should all be starting their rookie season with no expectations placed on them - just get playing time & experience, and learn the game. The 2nd year there should be significant improvement from their rookie year but again just play & get experience. Barring injury, the 3rd year should be the make or break season - with playoffs being the metric. If these are unreasonable exceptions, then why in the heck are they drafting these QBs in the 1st rd & paying them big $$$? You might as well just draft some QB in the lower rounds & pay him much less money hoping to develop him over the next 3-5 yrs & see if he's starting material.

And I think there should be even more expectations placed on these #1 overall superheroes drafted who are paid mega bucks before they even step onto the field. Lol. Look at the great Baker Mayfield who's now with the disastrous Panthers. What has he done? Is he even playing or is he hurt again (I quit paying attention). And how about Lawrence - the guy who was touted by some scouts as the next "Peyton Manning." Lol. So this is his 2nd year at the helm and Jags are off to a great start at 2-5. He can't blame the coaching staff on their so far poor performance as Meyer was run out of town & the veteran Peterson was brought in.

 

[Nomad]

It seems that they are both distracted/not focused.
-For TB12 it could be the distraction of his divorce?
-For ARodg I feel like he is going through some life change?

Probably his divorce with the kid issues and all. And doesn't he want to pursue modeling or something?

Rodgers just looks plain punch drunk a lot of the time when he's playing. I wonder if he's had to use pain meds a lot in his career, and maybe more so now at his age just to step on the field. And I wonder how many concussions he's had over that long career.

I think their better days are behind them. Pretty soon fans are going to be booing them if they intend on playing another few years.

 

[Nomad]

Costly victory for the Jets:

Jets' Breece Hall suffers torn ACL, spoiling promising 2022 season for rookie RB, per report

Hall had been a frontrunner for Offensive Rookie of the Year before the injury

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[SHAD0W93]

https://www.nfl.com/_amp/frank-reich-names-sam-ehlinger-as-colts-starting-quarterback-for-rest-of-season-

 

[Oldermanish]

Broncos in trouble 2-5 and likely out of the playoff picture already. Seahawks improving, 4-3, leading the division. The unfortunate thing is DK Metcalf injured. With Lockett already out, this is not good. Kenneth Walker crushed it today. Seattle have the best offensive and defensive rookies. This bodes well for the future and a quick rebuild.

Fortunately DK's exam showed him with no lingering issues, so far. The Hawks have been relatively lucky on the injury front except for Penny and Adams. Hopefully the variety of plays that have had success will not put too much focus on Walker. They'd had to depend on limited running games every time they've failed in recent playoff runs.

 

[movingtarget]

If the Chargers don't make the playoffs then I put Herbert as a bust. This is the golden boy's 3rd year at the helm - he started his rookie season & played in all the games in his 2nd year as well. If these hot shot 1st rd drafted QBs can't get their team into the playoffs by the 3rd year - then there's something wrong with them & they're overrated...period. It's not like they're not being paid well - as some of these rookie contracts are in the 20-25 million dollar range with huge signing bonuses & guarantee $$$ (Herbert signed a 4 yr contract worth 26 mil with a 16 million dollar SIGNING BONUS - Insane!). They should all be starting their rookie season with no expectations placed on them - just get playing time & experience, and learn the game. The 2nd year there should be significant improvement from their rookie year but again just play & get experience. Barring injury, the 3rd year should be the make or break season - with playoffs being the metric. If these are unreasonable exceptions, then why in the heck are they drafting these QBs in the 1st rd & paying them big $$$? You might as well just draft some QB in the lower rounds & pay him much less money hoping to develop him over the next 3-5 yrs & see if he's starting material.

And I think there should be even more expectations placed on these #1 overall superheroes drafted who are paid mega bucks before they even step onto the field. Lol. Look at the great Baker Mayfield who's now with the disastrous Panthers. What has he done? Is he even playing or is he hurt again (I quit paying attention). And how about Lawrence - the guy who was touted by some scouts as the next "Peyton Manning." Lol. So this is his 2nd year at the helm and Jags are off to a great start at 2-5. He can't blame the coaching staff on their so far poor performance as Meyer was run out of town & the veteran Peterson was brought in.

If Herbert is a bust what is Lance ? Four starts in two seasons with 3 injuries. Goes into his third season recovering from an ACL with additional damage, with hardly any experience, has had one win over the Texans. Cost them two first round picks. To think that Chip Kelly wanted Dak in 2017 but the GM Baalke said no. Then they could have drafted Mahomes but overlooked him. Of course other teams did the same. The 49ers also passed on Rodgers and signed Alex Smith and also passed on Brady but then who didn't pass on Brady ? The Rodgers pass was a horrible one, Mahomes it seems convinced Andy Reid but not a lot of others to their detriment. All the hype this season was about Denver and the Chargers. How is that turning out ? The 49ers also drafted two RBs, one has been traded and one is barely playing and now have spent a small fortune on CMC who has played a handful of games in his last two seasons. Oh well...........

 

[jmdirt]

If Herbert is a bust what is Lance ? Four starts in two seasons with 3 injuries. Goes into his third season recovering from an ACL with additional damage, with hardly any experience, has had one win over the Texans. Cost them two first round picks. To think that Chip Kelly wanted Dak in 2017 but the GM Baalke said no. Then they could have drafted Mahomes but overlooked him. Of course other teams did the same. The 49ers also passed on Rodgers and signed Alex Smith and also passed on Brady but then who didn't pass on Brady ? The Rodgers pass was a horrible one, Mahomes it seems convinced Andy Reid but not a lot of others to their detriment. All the hype this season was about Denver and the Chargers. How is that turning out ? The 49ers also drafted two RBs, one has been traded and one is barely playing and now have spent a small fortune on CMC who has played a handful of games in his last two seasons. Oh well...........

Herbert isn't a bust...

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Justin Herbert is playing hurt, and has since I think week 2's blowout win over Houston. He has fractured (torn?) rib cartilage. This has unquestionably taken away much of his arm strength. Anyone who saw him play last year, versus this year, can clearly see that. He normally has one of the strongest arms in the NFL, but now? Not even close.

Check out the numbers, courtesy of NFL Research:

• Herbert in Weeks 1 and 2: 72.0 comp pct, 7.5 yds/att, 6 TD, 1 INT, 112.5 passer rating.
• Herbert in Weeks 3 through 7: 63.7 comp pct, 6.2 yds/att, 6 TD, 3 INT, 84.2 passer rating.

As to the team? They gave up 37 points to Seattle. That's a lot.

I think it's too early to pass such judgment on Lawerence, or Pederson. in fact, the Jaguars are a couple plays from being 4-3. Granted, this league is about winning, but seven games into Pederson's time, pulling the plug would be incredibly rash. Like, Corporate America shareholder CEO rash.

Trent Baalke however should have been canned long ago. He's a survivor who has somehow been able to convince owner after owner they should hire him, keep him, fire someone else, while leaving a ripple of poor decisions in his wake. I don't know how much personnel decision making he has vs. Pederson though.

It's hard to tell on both Brady and Rodgers. They seem to make many of the same throws they did in years past, aren't making terrible passes the way Ryan is, but don't seem to have the focus. People on Twitters and elsewhere are starting to pile on them like they have on Wilson, showing missed receivers and other bad decisions. I don't know if either is at the point in their career when Peyton Manning's arm started to go in his last 2 years, but PM still saw the whole field as good as ever.

As to Sam Ehlinger getting to start over Ryan, that seems inevitable in retrospect. Mostly because Ryan has been a statue. He has been capable of making some of the same throws he made years ago, but has thrown too many horribly costly passes just the same. What's most telling is he's been dropped to #3 QB (behind Nick Foles). Ehlinger had a solid four-year college career at Texas, and played well in very limited time last year and this year (pre-season mostly). So if the Colts are going to be mostly run heavy, and not fall too far behind, he could do well. I'd roll the dice too if I were Reich. Plus, I don't care if he breaks both ankles, he'll still be more mobile than Ryan.

I agree with whomever wondered why so many teams are going for it on 4th and two or three, instead of kicking FGs. I've always been mostly supportive of going for it at mid-field, but to run the risk of scoring zero points. Unless you're playing KC or Buffalo, and behind, I don't get it.

Metcalf won't need surgery. We'll find out later this week if he suits up to play the Giants. I would think Seattle could sure use him, even if he only plays a few times, or as a decoy.

 

[jmdirt]

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[movingtarget]

At least Ryan has had a shoulder injury unlike Brady and Rodgers but the signs were there last season that Ryan was not the player he was. I think the Colts surveyed the market and saw pretty bare shelves. Ryan was one of the better remaining options if you didn't want Wentz which they obviously didn't. They probably were interested in Wilson but saw what it would cost and after they stopped laughing, looked elsewhere ! At least the Colts still have Foles as well but he can be very streaky as we have seen since the SB but he has been injured a lot as well.

That was a heavy hit on Herbert reminded me of the one that broke Brees' ribs and hastened his retirement after his ribs were later re-injured. Think he had a punctured lung as well.

Not taking the FGs is plain weird especially early in the games.

To the naked eye, Rodgers seems to have dropped off more than Brady. I think Brady did drop off a few seasons ago but he has managed it better than Rodgers has of late but Brady's frustration with his O line is telling. Bucs losing their best two centers probably hasn't helped either.

Pederson has definitely improved the Jags offense and QB play. which was expected but yes its all about wins. Some owners don't have much patience even with young and rebuilding teams.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

In another page of the upside down NFL season, the Bears dominate the Patriots. My criticism of Mac Jones was that he couldn't throw the ball down field with any accuracy. Well, Zappe may have a slightly stronger arm, but the Patriots don't seem to have any plays drawn up throwing the ball more than 20 or so yards.

Where's Kurt Warner and the greatest show on turf when you need them?!

Good win for the Bears, running through the fog, now tied for second with the Packers! Pats looked terrible, now in last place.

 

[SHAD0W93]

In another page of the upside down NFL season, the Bears dominate the Patriots. My criticism of Mac Jones was that he couldn't throw the ball down field with any accuracy. Well, Zappe may have a slightly stronger arm, but the Patriots don't seem to have any plays drawn up throwing the ball more than 20 or so yards.

Where's Kurt Warner and the greatest show on turf when you need them?!

Good win for the Bears, running through the fog, now tied for second with the Packers! Pats looked terrible, now in last place.

Yeah I saw the score was 10-0 and thought Bears would clean up, score went to 14-10 at the half and was like oh Patriots making a game. Finally able to see the score now and like Holly crap they got their butts kicked.

 

[SHAD0W93]

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I’m telling you, swap Bucs receivers with GB or GBs line with Tampa and they’d be looking like their old self. Without the drops Brady would be with Mahomes at 1 or 2 in yards just like last year. Neither team has any run game to speak of meaning defense is allowed to stay back and neither have a speedy deep threat so defenses can camp the underneath and make everything contested. Which hinders Brady more as he isn’t a threat to run the ball. I think the only bad thing you can say on Brady is he doesn’t want to get hit anymore. Both offenses need to be reschemed as they’ve been figured out and the run game isn’t working and hindering them on the next downs. At least on TB’s side I’m sure everyone on the team has gotten an earful about the mistakes, including him. But if the offense keeps playing like this there’s no way they beat Ravens and Rams forcing them to have to win out. What a year if Rodgers and Brady both miss the playoffs.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I think that's too much scheming, too much to ask of an offense. I know Brady can still throw the ball, and having receivers drop passes is deadly, but that's the offense they have. He's very slow, only moves okay in the pocket, and can't run unless there's a 20 yard gap, where he can pick up 5 yards or so.

I think this also plays into why Ryan is done in Indy. We're kind of passing of the torch from days where drop back pocket passers were king, as long as they could throw the ball accurately. Now? QBs are just more dynamic. That doesn't mean they are all runners, but they are QBs that can throw quick, have strong enough arms to throw deep, but also keep plays alive when the pocket breaks down, and can find the open guy when there's broken coverage, or run and gain first downs. Of course Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, and now Hurts come to mind. But also Russell Wilson (when good, will he be good again?). Tuo, Burrow and Geno are all good at keeping plays alive in the pocket too. They may not scramble for a lot of yards, but they don't become a liability when the play breaks down. I'm not sure where Rodgers fits into here. He's not fleet of foot, but he's always moved okay, and thrown great when plays break down. But Ehlinger is much more like this, while Ryan obviously became a liability, even if Ehlinger lacks Ryan's savvy and football knowledge.

An article on NFL says Ryan not likely to play again due to financial reasons, the way his contract is structured. That wouldn't surprise me at all. The question becomes, if Ehlinger leads them team to, say, an 8-9 record and they just miss the playoffs, is Reich done in Indy? Players like him, but...

I looked up Ehlinger's past, he's had a tough life at times. His dad was an athlete, and trial attorney who mostly defended the little guy, instead of trying to make zillions of dollars, died during a triathlon at 46, due to an underlying heart condition. Sam's brother also died of what appears to be an accidental overdose, right when Sam was drafted. The NFL's page had him projected in the 6th, saying he's likely destined to be a career back-up, but there were others who thought Ehlinger could go as high as the 3rd round, maybe the 4th. This is the draft Lawerence, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance went 1, 2, 3, Justin Fields at 11, and Mac Jones at 15. Kyle Trask, Kellen Mond and Davis Mills all went in the 2nd and 3rd. Even Ian Brook was taken in the 4th round ahead of Sam in the 6th. Not a single other QB was drafted that year. Some film on him from preseason games:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCzIhc8-EbA&ab

 

[Nomad]

Justin Herbert is playing hurt, and has since I think week 2's blowout win over Houston. He has fractured (torn?) rib cartilage. This has unquestionably taken away much of his arm strength. Anyone who saw him play last year, versus this year, can clearly see that. He normally has one of the strongest arms in the NFL, but now? Not even close.

You must have a Herbert Jersey that you wear proudly on game days. Lol. He's not injured anymore and the rib cartilage injury appeared to not have that much impact on his arm strength/throwing ability anyway. The Houston game was 2 weeks after sustaining the injury against the Chiefs in week #2. After the Houston game, Herbert confirmed the injury was feeling much better and wasn't affecting his throwing:

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Furthermore, the injury didn't even seem to be a hindrance just one week later when he threw this 70 yd bomb to Guyton against the Jags. Incredible for a player with torn rib cartilage!

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He even threw off the wrong foot! I don't see where the injury has taken away much of his arm strength. I think he doesn't want to get hit in the ribs/torso area as to why his performance has dropped as he's throwing too soon, throwing the ball away, making bad throws, etc. Defenses all know about the injury & if you don't think they're not going to target & try to hurt him, then you don't understand the mindset of some of these aggressive defensive players.

My point is this is Herbert's 3rd year at the helm - last year his stats were phenomenal and despite having a winning season (9-8), they failed to make the playoffs. Assuming he doesn't miss any games moving forward, IMO, this is his make or break season --- no playoffs & I call bust. And especially with that price tag & decent talent surrounding him, I don't think making the playoffs is an unreasonable expectation.

I think it's too early to pass such judgment on Lawerence, or Pederson. in fact, the Jaguars are a couple plays from being 4-3. Granted, this league is about winning, but seven games into Pederson's time, pulling the plug would be incredibly rash. Like, Corporate America shareholder CEO rash.

Too early??? Thee #1 OA in the 2021 draft! The guy that was touted by some scouts as the next "Peyton Manning?" Lol. And how about that price tag - 4 yr 36.7 mil with a 24 million SIGNING BONUS! He had his rookie break-in season & apprenticeship, and now going into his 2nd year, it's time to earn that dough (and Meyer is gone & SB winning Pederson is in). But at 2-5 what a joke - and I wouldn't be surprised that they lose to the hapless Broncos in London. If he can't get the ship turned around and at least end up with a winning season, then he becomes another overrated, overpaid #1 OA underachiever. He's the one being put on a pedestal by all these know-it-all NFL journalists. For example, one of these ad nuseam NFL "experts" said last year that Lawrence's "combination of physical skill, poise and big-game experience make him more ready for the NFL that most other rookie quarterbacks" The journalist goes on to predict that Lawrence in his rookie season will throw for 20 TDs against 10 INTs. Last year he threw for a measly 12 TDs against 17 picks! LOL

Jaguars sign Trevor Lawrence to rookie contract

The contract, which is slotted based on the rookie wage scale, is worth $36.8 million over four years with $24.1 million guaranteed. Like all contracts for first-round picks, it includes a fifth-year team option.

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[Oldermanish]

Hey, how about that Patriots/Chicago game. Looks like Belichek was going to be a genius again...for about a 10 minutes. His press sessions were about what you'd expect and it couldn't happen to a better guy.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

You must have a Herbert Jersey that you wear proudly on game days. Lol.

Nope. Raiders fan. Please pay closer attention.

By your evaluation they should cut these guys now. If the Chargers dumped Herbert (before it's too late) maybe Chase Daniel, or Easton Stick will lead them to be the team they should be. Same with CJ Bethard taking the rings over from the "bust" Lawerence in Jax. Or they could resign Blake Bortles, who is available.

Too bad these teams didn't get Russell Wilson and make the deal the Broncos did to get such a marquee QB. However, Matt Ryan may soon be available.

 

[movingtarget]

Hey, how about that Patriots/Chicago game. Looks like Belichek was going to be a genius again...for about a 10 minutes. His press sessions were about what you'd expect and it couldn't happen to a better guy.

They won't make the playoffs. Even on paper the squad looks thin. Rebuild on the way but is that something Bill B wants to go through ?

 

[Nomad]

Nope. Raiders fan. Please pay closer attention.

By your evaluation they should cut these guys now. If the Chargers dumped Herbert (before it's too late) maybe Chase Daniel, or Easton Stick will lead them to be the team they should be. Same with CJ Bethard taking the rings over from the "bust" Lawerence in Jax. Or they could resign Blake Bortles, who is available.

Too bad these teams didn't get Russell Wilson and make the deal the Broncos did to get such a marquee QB. However, Matt Ryan may soon be available.

Okay...sorry - then you must wear a Carr Jersey on game days? I never said cut these guys now - the season isn't over yet & Lawtence is only in his 2nd year. I'm saying if the Chargers don't make the playoffs with Herbert in his 3rd year at the helm, then, IMO, he's a bust & the Chargers will have to figure out what to do next. Same with Lawrence - next year, his 3rd season - will be the make or break season. But with all the hype on this guy as the next "Peyton Manning" and a veteran SB winning coach running the show, the Jags should be much better than 2-5 at this point.

#1 OA Murray took the Cardinals to the playoffs last year - his third season - and obviously expectations are higher this season for a deeper run in the playoffs. Burrow played a little more than half his rookie season before his ACL injury, but last season grand slam it with the SB appearance in just his 2nd year.

And what about Hurts? Taken in the 2nd rd (53rd) and paid chump change (compared to the 1st rounders), he took the team to the playoffs last year in just his 2nd yr! This year he's 6-0 & playing better than the two golden boys at LA & Jax. Lol.

Eagles QB Jalen Hurts’ contract the NFL’s most undervalued at $1 million a year - Sports Illustrated

Drafted in the second round in 2020 to back up Carson Wentz, he has been a revelation and is on the verge of becoming a superstar at the quarterback position.

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[Oldermanish]

Okay...sorry - then you must wear a Carr Jersey on game days? I never said cut these guys now - the season isn't over yet & Lawtence is only in his 2nd year. I'm saying if the Chargers don't make the playoffs with Herbert in his 3rd year at the helm, then, IMO, he's a bust & the Chargers will have to figure out what to do next. Same with Lawrence - next year, his 3rd season - will be the make or break season. But with all the hype on this guy as the next "Peyton Manning" and a veteran SB winning coach running the show, the Jags should be much better than 2-5 at this point.

#1 OA Murray took the Cardinals to the playoffs last year - his third season - and obviously expectations are higher this season for a deeper run in the playoffs. Burrow played a little more than half his rookie season before his ACL injury, but last season grand slam it with the SB appearance in just his 2nd year.

And what about Hurts? Taken in the 2nd rd (53rd) and paid chump change (compared to the 1st rounders), he took the team to the playoffs last year in just his 2nd yr! This year he's 6-0 & playing better than the two golden boys at LA & Jax. Lol.

Eagles QB Jalen Hurts’ contract the NFL’s most undervalued at $1 million a year - Sports Illustrated

Drafted in the second round in 2020 to back up Carson Wentz, he has been a revelation and is on the verge of becoming a superstar at the quarterback position.

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You either wear a George, Kenny, Jim or Daryle jersey if you're a fan. George is the MAN.