Nope....you're wrong. A great QB can make a bad team look good & a good team into a dynasty. OTOH, a bad or even average QB can make a good team look like a dumpster fire.
He'll need more than that. Good OC. Better OL. Time.
You think that's bad? Frank Reich did the same thing two years later! Though when he finally benched Ryan, he was fired. Jeff Saturday then decided to start Ryan again, and ended up with the same result. Worse actually.
Where do you propose they get one?
I think you're talking about expectations and perception as much as anything, when he was talking more about results. These guys were expected to succeed. We've written about this many times. Happens every draft. Every free agent signing. Teams pay even more money to a vet they expect to take them to the championship. Anyone can create a list. Watson, Russel Wilson, Murray, Carr, D. Jones, etc. Heck, Grappolo fleeced the Raiders for "only" $27m. This is at least what I mean about expectations and perception.
Correct. Almost never happens. Dick Vermeil did take Orlando Pace #1 overall. A blindside tackle who was an extremely highly touted NCAA player, and Pace delivered big time, now in the HOF. But there were no QBs in that draft (Jim Druckenmiller was highest drafted QB!). And a year later they signed Trent Green, who was pretty good. When he got hurt, they had Kurt Warner, plus drafted Tory Holt, one of a few superb receivers, plus Marshall Faulk. So as great as Pace was, he was one piece of their puzzle.
Texans are a better overall team. But you are of course correct. Stroud is almost certain to have a stellar NFL career for the next decade, longer. I know some people are saying Young will improve once they get some players around him and he settles in. But will he? His numbers were worse than Tommy DeVito, Easton Stick, Joshua Dobbs, maybe even Tyson Baegent. Players not expected to do well at all, thrown into the fire due to injury, also on bad teams. Young also played all season, and at the end of the year he looked no better than at the start. And none of those other guys made $37m or were drafted #1 overall. A couple weren't even drafted!
Yes. You didn't say it, but I won't be at all surprised if they do whatever they can to get Tre Lance going, and make him the #2 QB on the team next year. This opens up a lot of pathways. What if the Cowboys aren't doing well? Do they play Tre and do to Dak what the Raiders did to Carr (and Garappolo) and Denver did to Wilson? If the Cowboys are doing okay, but lose early again in the playoffs with Dak having another meltdown, then what? Either way, Dak is another guy who hasn't earned $40m a year.
And Dak won't be asking for no 40 million on his next contract...................I'm not surprised about Klingsbury, but want to see it really verified. Raiders were supposed to interview Klint Kubiak after the Super Bowl. But I actually think Klingsbury will be a better OC. He will bring a dynamic offense to them. I originally was thinking Adam Gase would get the job, because he's friends with Antonio Pierce.
He'll need more than that. Good OC. Better OL. Time.
You think that's bad? Frank Reich did the same thing two years later! Though when he finally benched Ryan, he was fired. Jeff Saturday then decided to start Ryan again, and ended up with the same result. Worse actually.
Where do you propose they get one?
I think you're talking about expectations and perception as much as anything, when he was talking more about results. These guys were expected to succeed. We've written about this many times. Happens every draft. Every free agent signing. Teams pay even more money to a vet they expect to take them to the championship. Anyone can create a list. Watson, Russel Wilson, Murray, Carr, D. Jones, etc. Heck, Grappolo fleeced the Raiders for "only" $27m. This is at least what I mean about expectations and perception.
I'm having a hard time thinking of a QB who saved a bad team? And I mean an actually bad team. Both Peyton Manning and Tom Brady left one good team for another and kept winning. Joe Montana made an average Chiefs team a true contender. I remember that. Kurt Warner did the same in Arizona (along with Larry Fitzgerald and Bruce Arians). Jared Goff is one of several people who really helped Detroit improve. But wasn't the only guy.
Don't lose sight of the fact the OL on many teams does a hell of a lot of the heavy lifting. If they give almost any QB another second to throw on most pass plays, that can be a big difference. Stafford for example had some pretty weak OL's in Detroit. Andrew Luck too the first few years of his career. Wilson had some weak OL's in his last few years in Seattle. All were top level QBs, who might have been able to win more with better OLs.
Correct. Almost never happens. Dick Vermeil did take Orlando Pace #1 overall. A blindside tackle who was an extremely highly touted NCAA player, and Pace delivered big time, now in the HOF. But there were no QBs in that draft (Jim Druckenmiller was highest drafted QB!). And a year later they signed Trent Green, who was pretty good. When he got hurt, they had Kurt Warner, plus drafted Tory Holt, one of a few superb receivers, plus Marshall Faulk. So as great as Pace was, he was one piece of their puzzle.
Texans are a better overall team. But you are of course correct. Stroud is almost certain to have a stellar NFL career for the next decade, longer. I know some people are saying Young will improve once they get some players around him and he settles in. But will he? His numbers were worse than Tommy DeVito, Easton Stick, Joshua Dobbs, maybe even Tyson Baegent. Players not expected to do well at all, thrown into the fire due to injury, also on bad teams. Young also played all season, and at the end of the year he looked no better than at the start. And none of those other guys made $37m or were drafted #1 overall. A couple weren't even drafted!
David Tepper has a long, grueling road ahead of him. A road of his own making.
Yes. You didn't say it, but I won't be at all surprised if they do whatever they can to get Tre Lance going, and make him the #2 QB on the team next year. This opens up a lot of pathways. What if the Cowboys aren't doing well? Do they play Tre and do to Dak what the Raiders did to Carr (and Garappolo) and Denver did to Wilson? If the Cowboys are doing okay, but lose early again in the playoffs with Dak having another meltdown, then what? Either way, Dak is another guy who hasn't earned $40m a year.
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I think that he will be playing elsewhere.Chiefs' Toney Returns Amid Locker Room Drama
Kadarius Toney returned to the Kansas City Chiefs practice Thursday after creating serious drama for the team over the weekend.
The plot thickens with Toney returning and saying that the team was making up his injury. Reid like previously posted stated they’re not making up his injury.
At what salary is the question. He was making these same mistake and problems with the Giants. Sounds like Claypool due to the negatives outweighing the up side. Though he can always say his PR in the Super Bowl last year helped with their win.
I think we have to define what a "bad" team is vs a "below-average" or "under-performing" team. Using the "below-average/under-performing" critera, I would say without a doubt - Favre (thee original "Gunslinger") single-handedly turn the Packers around into champions in the early 90's.
I would agree with Favre and especially the chemistry/magic that Kurt Warner brought.
Sure, they are a better team overall but it was Stroud's performance & winning a playoff game that's making Ryans look like coach of the year. As I said before, a QB can make a HC look real good or real bad - and ultimately being responsible for getting the coach terminated. Look at the mess with Vrabel - Tannehill wasn't getting the job done, so he drafts "the next Brett Favre" who doesn't progress as anticipated in preseason camp & can't bail Vrabel out. So, ownership boots him & now the guy can't even get another HC gig. Lol.
Now that I think about it, he later took a decent Viking team into the playoffs at the end of his career too and won a playoff game with them. Almost won another when one of the worst passes of his career did them in, but he did take them to another level.
I doubt his arm strength is that good. Last year I watched a chunk of analytical stuff on him, and I'm not going to dig up my old posts, but back then I had doubts on him. And one of them was his ability to consistently get the ball downfield, and with any accuracy. I was critical of all four top QBs coming out of last year's draft, but I did flop on CJ once I watched his stellar Combine, then Pro Day. Admittedly you sang his praises before I did. But none of us were that excited about Young. In fact, you can go across the entire web: Experts, ex-pros, ex-coaches, knowledgable fans, and the concerns about CJ were how he'd handle pressure (he learned darn quick!) but there were more concerns about Bryce than his size. Drafting him was considered a risk by many people, there were a chorus of small concerns, between the few people who did say he'd be the next Mahomes.
I hate to write a QB off after one year on a bad team (bad O), but I see no evidence that Young will be as good as Mayfield, Winston, et al. Murry might be the best comparisons based on size, and I don't see Young being nearly that good either. I didn't have very high expectation of him especially when he went to CAR, but he was even below my expectations (I did have high hopes though). I place at least 50% of the blame on the coaches for his lack of success/growth.
Yep, I sang praises on Stroud after his specular performance against Georgia in the CFP semi-final game in 2022 (348 yds, 4 TDs). He put up 41 pts on what was the #1 defense in the nation, and a defense that had several drafts picks including two 1st rounders! In fact, I believe it was his performance in this game that moved his draft status up considerably.
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