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Yes it sounds like the season might be over.Loved how the NBA managed the bubble and the whole COVID-19 situations.
But loved even more their clear stance on racism and players boycotting yesterday's games.
Lakers and Clippers apparently ready to boycott the remainder of the playoffs.
Agreed. On both counts but especially the bold.Loved how the NBA managed the bubble and the whole COVID-19 situations.
But loved even more their clear stance on racism and players boycotting yesterday's games.
Lakers and Clippers apparently ready to boycott the remainder of the playoffs.
Today's games postponed too. You could be right.Yes it sounds like the season might be over.
Players’ association executives Chris Paul and Andre Iguodala explained the financial ramifications of bailing on the season, detailing how the CBA could get torn up by the owners and place them in a position of decreased salaries moving forward, sources said.
Yes I heard that the players voted to complete the playoffs. No surprise. The surprise would be the opposite. With players coming off contract and whatever it could be a career changer for them if they didn't keep playing especially players lower down the ladder.The postseason goes on. The players learned that if it were cancelled, they would lose a lot of money. Same as they would have if they had been honest about what China is doing to Hong Kong. Very few people are willing to give up anything actually important to them--including money they don't even need to live a decent life--to make a statement about others. NBA players are no different.
https://sports.yahoo.com/after-a-night-of-rest-players-vote-to-resume-nba-playoffs-164227334.html
I picked the Celtics, but not with a performance like that. Never behind, literally never in the whole game, +50% on 3's from Marcus and Kemba, Jayson shooting 50% from the field, Kemba 55% and Marcus 60%! Jaylen's shooting was a little off, however the way the Celtics are set up that doesn't matter. Someone isn't quite on the rhythm so other people spread the load. They're absolutely firing at the moment and the defence is too. I think I'm right in saying that all 5 starters for Toronto were still in single digit points into the 3rd. I don't expect it to continue, but getting the first win in a series is always great.Utah and Denver go to a game 7. I thought the Jazz had it wrapped up after a few convincing wins but good comeback by Denver in the previous two games. Wouldn't have picked the Celtics to beat Toronto either. Some people think Miami might trouble the Bucks. Be surprised if they won the series.
I think it's an incredibly simplistic way to look at it, especially considering it was essentially a wildcat strike by the Bucks with no defined goals. Usually strikes are about better circumstances for those striking but that's not really the case here (arguably a bit for many of them but not in the way strikes usually are). This wasn't a lockout due to players wanting more money etc. Money will no doubt play a part, but the disparity in NBA wages is high and breaking the CBA leaves players open to legal action and would likely invalidate all their contracts, so the guaranteed money is out the window. Sure, the likes of LeBron, Giannis and Kawhi will be fine, but there's plenty of players who are not multi-millionaires and are on rookie or short term contracts or coming out of contract. It also would affect non-playing staff if the CBA had to be re-negotiated and could easily lead to a lockout, which affects service staff working at venues. The players wouldn't just be sacrificing their money, they could well be sacrificing the livelihoods of many other people.I agree that some/most of the decision to continue probably came down to money/future money, but they also had to consider what ending the season would do for their voice at this time.
Of course it was simplistic, it was only one sentence. My point was in response to those who posted before me talking about the money/future money/ CBA, that they would also lose some of their voice if they ended the season, plus they run the risk of some people never listening to them again.I think it's an incredibly simplistic way to look at it, especially considering it was essentially a wildcat strike by the Bucks with no defined goals. Usually strikes are about better circumstances for those striking but that's not really the case here (arguably a bit for many of them but not in the way strikes usually are). This wasn't a lockout due to players wanting more money etc. Money will no doubt play a part, but the disparity in NBA wages is high and breaking the CBA leaves players open to legal action and would likely invalidate all their contracts, so the guaranteed money is out the window. Sure, the likes of LeBron, Giannis and Kawhi will be fine, but there's plenty of players who are not multi-millionaires and are on rookie or short term contracts or coming out of contract. It also would affect non-playing staff if the CBA had to be re-negotiated and could easily lead to a lockout, which affects service staff working at venues. The players wouldn't just be sacrificing their money, they could well be sacrificing the livelihoods of many other people.
Now we've had chance to hear what has actually come out of the action, rather than take a single quote out of context, I think the players were extremely successful when they had no goals that drove the initial strike:
Franchise owned venues are to be used for voting if possible or other services such as voter registration etc.
A social justice coalition will be formed between the NBA, players, coaches etc. to advocate for their goals and promote civic engagement.
Advertising space is going to be set aside during every play-off game to promote civic engagement, raise awareness on voter registration etc.
JOINT NBA AND NBPA STATEMENT
The National Basketball Players Association (NBPA) is the union for current professional basketball players in the National Basketball Association (NBA). Established in 1954, the NBPA mission is to ensure that the rights of NBA players are protected and that every conceivable measure is taken to...nbpa.com
Lets also not forget that NBA players are also well known for their civic engagement and charity. LeBron built a school and provides scholarships to graduates, Jayson Tatum has a program providing diapers for low income families in Boston, Zion Williamson paid the wages of the venue staff for, I think, a week when the league first shut down. Unsurprisingly a lot of their charity is aimed at the underprivileged, in which BIPOC people are over-represented. Losing money means less to charity, less people helping and setting up charities and could ultimately cause much more harm to the people they want to help.
Sorry, the simplistic part wasn't really aimed at your post, more the general assessment people have been making that it was all about money. Essentially I was agreeing with you and the rest was an expansion on that.Of course it was simplistic, it was only one sentence. My point was in response to those who posted before me talking about the money/future money/ CBA, that they would also lose some of their voice if they ended the season, plus they run the risk of some people never listening to them again.
That being said, I agree with your point about not stating their specific goals*, but IMO, it was at least effective in getting a few more people to pay attention. I said that about Kaep: OK, kneeling has made the initial point now move the conversation forward.
*The overall goal is obvious at this point I hope.
Not to play semantics, but I'm not sure that strike is the correct word either. I would probably lean toward protest, but...
Avoiding GRAPES, they aren't taking action on their own behalf or on the behalf of others in their industry, they are taking action on the behalf of people who have less (little to no) voice of their own that's why its not really a strike IMO.Sorry, the simplistic part wasn't really aimed at your post, more the general assessment people have been making that it was all about money. Essentially I was agreeing with you and the rest was an expansion on that.
Yes, the overall goal is obvious, but the specific aims of the strike were never defined (it clearly wasn't going to achieve the overall goal on its own), probably because there weren't any. My point there was more that they have managed to affect change, rather than just make a statement, which is impressive.
They withheld labour, it was definitely a strike, even if they didn't call it that. A protest would have been turning up but refusing to play, or not putting in effort. It is important too as the CBA does not allow them to strike. Unfotunately a discussion of that will probably fall foul of the GRAPES rule.
Avoiding GRAPES, they aren't taking action on their own behalf or on the behalf of others in their industry, they are taking action on the behalf of people who have less (little to no) voice of their own that's why its not really a strike IMO.
Put another way, they didn't withhold labor to make their NBA employment better.