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Problems With Antidoping System Cast a Shadow on Kenyan Runners

Juliet Macur

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/07/s...ow-on-all-its-runners.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

Some good quotes from Shorter. Nothing revolutionary, just sensible imo. Good to put out there the economics of the testing. Why when athletes are worth millions in salary/prize money/and or appearance fees 10x500$ tests are nothing in the grand scheme of things. For million dollar (all revenue) athlete 1% of money to them is 10k to a testing program.

There is 1% for the planet, what about pro athletes starting 1% for clean sport???

And good quote from NYC Marathon director too.
“This has to be a moment of digging deeper,” she said. “If we let this moment go by and there’s systematic doping involved, then shame on everybody.”
 
May 19, 2010
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Jeptoo agent interview

Actually a remarkable candid interview and discussion about the doping issues in Kenya.

(Its a little all over the place and hard to read mind you)

I want to start with your relationship with Rita Jeptoo. How long have you represented her as her agent?

Federico Rosa: About three years … if I’m not wrong … when she came to us.

http://www.brecorder.com/sports/oth...s-jeptoo-accused-of-long-term-epo-doping.html

He (Jeptoo's estranged husband, Noah Busienei) said he believed Jeptoo began doping in September 2011, allegedly following advice from a foreign agent who had promised to make the couple "very rich".
 
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Zam_Olyas said:
Problems With Antidoping System Cast a Shadow on Kenyan Runners

Juliet Macur

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/07/s...ow-on-all-its-runners.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

Some great quotes in there.

He [Frank Shorter] said his first indication that Kenyans might be doping came in the 1980s, when athletes began to use Italian doctors as agents.

“Of course, doctors would be good coaches and agents, right?” he asked, sarcastically. “My statement to my friends then was: ‘Kenyans on drugs, it’s all over. Nobody has a chance.’ ”
“If you’re paying $100,000 for an appearance fee, why not spend $5,000 on somebody to make sure they aren’t doping?” Shorter said. “If they would have listened to me years ago, maybe they wouldn’t be embarrassed right now about their big winner.”
 
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DirtyWorks said:
Frank Shorter has been a vocal critic for a long, long time.

Here's a nice example. http://espn.go.com/blog/endurance/post/_/id/779/shorter-independent-testing-is-necessary

Interesting article. He doesn't seem to think much of T&R though.
As for a proposed truth and reconciliation commission that would give doping athletes a clean slate after a confession, Shorter remarked sarcastically, "Sure, let's do the commission, so that [an athlete] can get off no matter the magnitude of what [he or she] did."

The sentiment expressed there seems to be a bit inconsistent. Does he blame the athlete, or the system, as was suggested previously in that interview? :confused:
I have never ever talked about individuals," he said. "It has always been about setting up a deterrent process so it is not aimed at any individual or any country.
 
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Granville57 said:
Interesting article. He doesn't seem to think much of T&R though.


The sentiment expressed there seems to be a bit inconsistent. Does he blame the athlete, or the system, as was suggested previously in that interview? :confused:

Says system, thinks athlete. His Silver in 1976 was to a German heavily implicated in the East German doping program. I'm sure some resentment motivates him.

His opinions are valuable only because their right (when he says more testing is needed, and his general skepticism). Other than that, I don't think he has any real insight into the sport anymore. He makes a living through running, (usually road races bring him in as a speaker*), but that's not a role that gives him a unique perspective. He was an athlete during the reign of amateurism, and doesn't have the same intuitive knowledge of the role of money, agents, or national programs in the sport. Not saying he's wrong, his opinion isn't worth much, IMHO.

(*I've been at two such races, which coincidentally, represent the problem of low-key races with quality prize money ($10,000ish purse) but no drug testing).
 
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Waldemar Cierpinski who beat Shorter was implicated for drugs, do we have any idea what sort of program he was on in 1976, where the East Germans using blood doping then?
 
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Frank Shorter finishing with silver and beating all but one east block doping runner and Frank is claiming to be 'full natty brah!'. What a joke. Sounds more like protecting his career from being questioned.
 
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Frank Shorter finishing with silver and beating all but one east block doping runner and Frank is claiming to be 'full natty brah!'. What a joke. Sounds more like protecting his career from being questioned.

Intimating that Frank Shorter was a doper is ridiculous and pretty irresponsible.
 
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They came to dominate every meaningless Portuguese marathon and half-marathon. Thinking of last month's Lisbon Marathon won by Samuel Ndungu and Visiline Jepkesho. Watched Amsterdam again just for the lols.

durianrider said:
Frank Shorter finishing with silver and beating all but one east block doping runner and Frank is claiming to be 'full natty brah!'. What a joke. Sounds more like protecting his career from being questioned.

Welcome back.
 
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mastersracer said:
there is nothing in the area of phenotypic plasticity that is inconsistent with their rise - you may claim that the variables you list haven't changed, but that's pure speculation. Further, the phenotypic response to environmental changes isn't necessarily linear. Combined with the increasing realization of rapid/recent gene change, there's nothing particularly problematic about these changes.

I'm not sure you are serious?

There is nothing in my opinion with the exception of PED's that can explain some of the results in the full marathon. You can look at the 80's also and see some curious results.

Not sure if you was serious or not.
 
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durianrider said:
Frank Shorter finishing with silver and beating all but one east block doping runner and Frank is claiming to be 'full natty brah!'. What a joke. Sounds more like protecting his career from being questioned.

Wow what a statement. I think you should do a little research about who what when and where Frank was racing back in the day.

Stick to the bananas brah.
 
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http://sportsnewsarena.com/two-kenyan-marathoners-banned-for-doping-violations

As the shock waves of alleged wide spread doping in track and field continue to send shock waves, Athletics Kenya, AK, on monday announced that it had banned two marathoners Viola Chelangat Kimetto and Joyce Jemutai Kiplimo for failed doping tests.

The AK Medical and Anti-doping Commission chaired by Doctor Victor Bargoi which met on December 10, are also studying the tests of six others marathoners excluding Rita Jeptoo, for possible sanctions.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sj728b
 
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No surprise there.

Its pretty durn rare for a B sample test (for any substance) not to match the A sample.

Now she has strongly denied use. How can we ever trust her about prior performances? How could those have any relevancy in the books?

We really need to take away performances years before a positive. 2 year ban, 4 years of results? Then you can get started paying back to the athletes you defrauded.
 
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I don't trust any of her performances based on this positive and her husband's comments to various parties, it seems certainly everything since she came back from having the baby is tainted.

I do wish the races would much more vigorously pursue getting their money back from cheats.
 
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Catwhoorg said:
I do wish the races would much more vigorously pursue getting their money back from cheats.
In road running though, one person can be both the top trainer and coach, the top athlete manager, and top event promoter. But wait, your right hand lady in those business ventures can be a gold Olympian from ´92, on her nation track&field union board, responsible for anti doping matters and a popular columnist.
It´s such a shame when the sport is so small and poor that one person needs to do all the volunteering basically.
 
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http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/xinhua-news-agency/141219/ak-says-more-kenyans-doped-2014

NAIROBI, Dec. 19 (Xinhua) -- More Kenyans were caught doping beyond the names released by International Association of Athletics Federation (IAAF), Athletics Kenya (AK) President Isaiah Kiplagat confirmed Friday.

16 more cases have not been reported because the AK cannot track down the suspected athletes to hear their version of the story.

So far 32 cases of doping were reported and only 16 have been made public from Kenya.

"They are elusive. But we are doing our best to get hold of them. Most competed in Peru, Mexico, USA and Europe. A few cases were in Asia. The number is over 200. But only 32 were nabbed," Kiplagat told reporters in Nairobi.

Kenya has come under the spotlight for failing to curb the vice as several of their elite athletes rule the world in long distance races and marathon.

"We punish and warn these athletes not to get caught doping. Out of the 32 cases, this year, we have no clue on 16 cases. We don't know where to find these athletes. There are maybe more cases to come. There are also five cases of transgender and IAAF wants us to determine the gender of these athletes if they are men or women by testing their hormones," said Kiplagat.


With a huge surplus after declaring their annual financial statements, the federation has not tried to invest the money in sensitizing, educating and curbing doping, save for one seminar it held in Eldoret.

But Kiplagat will not be taking the sticks insisting that even the cases revealed by the Germany TV, where 150 samples from the London Olympics Games, where IAAF is alleged to have been covering- up on doping, are all innocent.

"We can't reveal the identity of these athletes. That is confidential unless their samples, which have been kept in a bank reveal different pattern of hemoglobin after subsequent tests. But many athletes try to clear their system, so that when tested again the banned drugs can't be found. It is always difficult to trace them," Kiplagat said.
 
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Here's another version of the story: http://www.coastweek.com/3752-sports-10.htm

There are also five cases of transgender and IAAF wants us to determine the gender of these athletes if they are men or women by testing their hormones,” said Kiplagat.

Five cases! They hit the human genetics lottery in Kenya! Many times!!:eek:

Also mentions 200 positives with only 32 sanctioned. Very interesting.