Newsflash. Brian Cookson, british cycling, to stand against Pat McQuaid (SUI) for uci

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He publicly supported Pat because as a board member it's the right thing to do,l to support the organisations view
Has hoped things would improve but they haven't "lots to be done"
1st thing that needs to be done "needs to get away from constant disputes with people like WADA - lack of credibility in cycling
Independent body needs to be made for anti doping

Thinks huge progress has been made since the Armstrong debacle, believes most riders are clean
Supposedly had 100s of backers before announcing his candidacy
 
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Catwhoorg said:
UCI Congress (42 members)

Per Article 36 of the Constitution
7 from Africa
9 from America
9 from Asia
14 from Europe
3 from Oceania
So 42 bribes plus whatever he has paid the Swiss guys..

That will burn a large hole in Pat's pocket.
 
Jul 17, 2012
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richard_91 said:
He publicly supported Pat because as a board member it's the right thing to do,l to support the organisations view
Has hoped things would improve but they haven't "lots to be done"
1st thing that needs to be done "needs to get away from constant disputes with people like WADA - lack of credibility in cycling
Independent body needs to be made for anti doping

Thinks huge progress has been made since the Armstrong debacle, believes most riders are clean
Supposedly had 100s of backers before announcing his candidacy

Hope this is true. McQuaid can't seem to see the elephant in the room: him. I don't have my crystal ball but anything is better than him and everyone in cycling knows it. The sport is choking on it's own bile, there has to be wholescale changes for it to continue and prosper
 
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Change is certainly needed but having just watched Cookson on Sky Sports News I’m not sure he is the best choice. He subscribes to “new generation” rhetoric and believes most are clean. I don’t think most neutral observers would be that sanguine.
 

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JimmyFingers said:
Hope this is true. McQuaid can't seem to see the elephant in the room: him. I don't have my crystal ball but anything is better than him and everyone in cycling knows it. The sport is choking on it's own bile, there has to be wholescale changes for it to continue and prosper

Saying he has 100s of backers is akin to a rider saying he passed 100s of tests.
It is meaningless.

McQs biggest battle is to secure a nomination, and while Ireland looks unlikely we could find he is a 'member' somewhere else that could nominate him.
After that it is down to 42 delegates, and Pat has been busy over the last few months flying all over the world to meet them.
 
Dr. Maserati said:
Saying he has 100s of backers is akin to a rider saying he passed 100s of tests.
It is meaningless.

McQs biggest battle is to secure a nomination, and while Ireland looks unlikely we could find he is a 'member' somewhere else that could nominate him.
After that it is down to 42 delegates, and Pat has been busy over the last few months flying all over the world to meet them.

This - times 1000000.

However I don't believe that he is able to be a member elsewhere (I think @irishpeleton confirmed this on twitter sometime back), so you are correct in that his biggest battle is definitely to secure a nomination. I fear if/when he is nominated it will just be a matter of process for him to be elected again, so that is why the nomination aspect is so important. If he's not nominated, the delegates (whose votes have almost certainly already been decided) don't get to vote on him.
 
del1962 said:
Good article from Inner Ring, the crux of the fight against doping comes down to one thing and one thing alone, that is hard cash to spend on anti-doping programs, and someone has to pay for it.

No it does not. They could spend all the money on testing Lance every week and he still waltzed through the tests. With guys like Riis still having licences and a major role in the sport and a failure to purge the likes of Stephen Roche and Sean Kelly from the media there is no chance that anything is going to change.

The UCI cannot tell Eurosport who to hire but they can create some mood music and they can control licence approval in all manner of ways.

It comes from owning up to a ghastly past when what was presented to the fans was a complete charade. The presidential candidate who has the guts to state that publically, will start to create the change.

A re-education course for all prospective team owners and managers. A number of policies on ethics at various levels. Ethics education for athletes. Ethics education for the hotch potch of officials that sometimes come up with crazy decisions. Licences for all support staff and again ethics education so that the network of facilitators is broken. An acceptance that in terms of gender equality the UCI entered the park about 20 years ago and was last seen running away screaming "not for us bad boys".

Cookson talks about bringing consensus and not going for confrontation. I just can't see what you are going to achieve in this sport in 20 years, that hasn't been attempted and failed in the last 20 years, without confrontation. Too many just enjoy all the dodgy deals and cutting of corners. And that is putting the best possible spin on it.
 
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Dr. Maserati said:
Saying he has 100s of backers is akin to a rider saying he passed 100s of tests.
It is meaningless.

McQs biggest battle is to secure a nomination, and while Ireland looks unlikely we could find he is a 'member' somewhere else that could nominate him.
After that it is down to 42 delegates, and Pat has been busy over the last few months flying all over the world to meet them.

Well I didn't say he had those backers, I just hope it's true and he can beat McQuaid, who as you point out, has influence everywhere, plenty of favours to call in and give out, and roots that go deep.
 
Zam_Olyas said:
David Walsh ‏@DavidWalshST 25s
Cycling fans around the world should get behind Cookson. Follow him @cooksonforuci. The sport has to cut ties with old, discredited leaders.

It is time to support new, discredited leaders.

Al-McQuaida needs to go, but I am not so sure people from the system that produced Wiggins will be an improvement.
 
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Cyivel said:

So the smear campaign started.

Interesting to see he has questions for Cookson to answer. McQuaid should stand on his own credentials but since he has none he now has to stoop to this.

I'm still undecided about Cookson for the time being and I will reserve judgement until his manifesto is published and we get more detail of what he plans to do but I think some people like David Walsh (can't believe Lance retweeted his endorsement of Cookson)are jumping the gun thinking he's the coming of our saviour. You get the impression the 100's he said that encouraged him to run and Walsh's and Lance's support is simply because he isn't McQuaid himself. There has to be more substance than this and to back someone on this basis is nowhere near good enough.
 
Freddythefrog said:
It comes from owning up to a ghastly past when what was presented to the fans was a complete charade. The presidential candidate who has the guts to state that publically, will start to create the change.

Agreed. This is NOT Cookson. He appears to be a more refined version of Pat. Don't look for Cookson to 'clean up' the federation.

Are there any recent interviews with Hein mentioning the upcoming elections?
 
Finally an election with a real choice.

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Jul 17, 2012
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thehog said:
skins.net!!! :rolleyes:

And donations?!

McQuaid can't be serious.

Ok Parker - deploy the Skynet smear campaign.

Where are those photos of Pat in Astana at the cocktail bar :rolleyes:

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For once I loled. McQuaid has clearly signaled he's going to fight dirty. Should be interesting times ahead, reckon McQuaid will let slip a few secrets before he's done, especially when he gets desperate.

If he gets desperate.
 
JimmyFingers said:
For once I loled. McQuaid has clearly signaled he's going to fight dirty. Should be interesting times ahead, reckon McQuaid will let slip a few secrets before he's done, especially when he gets desperate.

If he gets desperate.

I know this will be a total cack.

I think Cookson just needs to turn up the heat and McQuaid will resport to these types of tactics.

Parker was right through. Cookson having News Corp in his back pocket will help.

Poor Pat. Might have to give up the all expenses paid apartment and tax free salary!
 
Alarmed by what she saw as clear violations of the UCI Constitution, Schenk filed a complaint against the UCI with the International Olympic Committee's Ethics Commission in late June about Pat McQuaid's current status with the UCI. Head of the UCI's Road Commission, McQuaid is outgoing UCI President Hein Verbruggen's choice as a successor.

An Irish citizen, McQuaid moved to Switzerland with his family in February, 2005 to work at the UCI HQ in Aigle in an allegedly paid position. Last Friday, Schenk told French sports daily L'Equipe that she had filed her complaint with the IOC because "a member of the UCI Management Committee can't have a contract with the UCI. It's very clearly written.

"I have requested information about Pat McQuaid's contract with the UCI, but I've had no responses so far. I know that he's living in Switzerland and his work is with the UCI, and his wife has left his job in Ireland and isn't working. So in order to live, (McQuaid) must be making something. If that's the case, it's in violation of the UCI Constitution.

"Verbruggen has said that the Management Committee had voted to provide McQuaid with compensation to repay him for all the time he's put in at the UCI, but that's not true because I'm a member of the Management Committee and there has never been a vote on this matter."

Schenk's complaint to the IOC's Ethics Committee will be examined by Judge Pâquerette Girard-Zapelli, who will then send his report on this matter to the eight members of the IOC Ethics Committee headed by Judge Keba M'Baye of Senegal.

After Schenk's L'Equipe interview, the UCI then issued a strident communique that expressed "solidarity to the persons touched by Mrs. Schenk's action, which attains to their respectability as well as to that of the whole Federations and its members. The UCI's Management Committee considers Mrs Schenk's behaviour, herself member of the same Management Committee until next September, as totally unacceptable, and decides that all relations with her will be stopped with immediate effect."

This preemptive action mean that Schenk will now effectively be frozen out from any further inclusion in UCI Management Committee meetings or communications. Furthermore, the UCI Management Committee said in an increasingly paranoid tone that "this action by Mrs. Schenk is evidently keeping in the frame of the manoeuvres aiming to disrupt the election of the new UCI President, and is in conflict with her agreement to the consensual agreement expressed by the UCI Management Committee in favour of Mr. Pat McQuaid two years ago in Hamilton." However, there is no proof offered that Schenk's motivation had anything to do with any manoeuvres to disrupt the election of the new UCI President.

The UCI communique then attempted to further smear Schenk's reputation, saying "the Management Committee had to note with regret that after her forced resignation from her position as President of the German Cycling Federation (BDR), and because of the numerous controversies which have characterized her mandate, Mrs Schenk has launched herself into a campaign aiming to unsettle the internal balance of the UCI. Deprived of her Federation's support, and consequently of all other ambition thereof, Mrs Schenk has been able to concentrate solely on her new objective, trying to do everything possible to reach her goal."

Again, there is no substantive proof offered to back up these provocative accusations by the UCI Press Service in their release. As Sylvia Schenk's IOC ethics complaint against the UCI proceeds, and the polemics increase between the UCI and the Grand Tour organizers on the ProTour and succession issues at the UCI, a real crisis of governance looms at the UCI as lame duck President Hein Verbruggen's term ends in less than 60 days time.

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/news/?id=2005/jul05/jul31news

I think this sort of bullying used to work. Perhaps not now.
 
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MatParker117 said:
Particularly if Brian's friend James Murdoch decides to run him over hot coals.

thehog said:
What are you doing here Parker? Isn't Walsh the new press agent for Sky? :rolleyes:

Making threats against Pat?

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To which I asked if you were serious - I didn't believe you were - but you replied

thehog said:
I am.

We just lived through Lance and the UCi using the media to intimidate people into submission.

Now a Sky repesetive is telling us Cookson who is BC and not Sky will use media partners to take down Hein and Pat?

That's what we want for a new UCI president?

What next? No doping questions to Sky riders?

I'm sorry but the minute business and politics mix = disaster.

Sky have no business influencing Cookson. That's wrong.

Hog - I think you make some very good points, with one exception. I don't see MatParker117's statement as a threat, but rather a statement of relative fact. Murdoch is not known for being an impartial boss, as I recall, and if he decided to get involved - and get his media involved - things could get very heated in the public arena indeed. Please feel free to ask for MatParker117's clarification on whether or not he is making a threat - I won't try to stop you from doing that. But to read that as a threat is making an assumption about what MatParker117 meant - an assumption that is not necessarily correct. Tell him it sounds like a threat, given who you think this poster is, if you like. But calling it a threat outright is inflammatory - an over-reaction.




ToreBear said:
Anything is better than McQuaid IMHO.;)

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I've watched a lot of politicians come and go. If you've read my posts, you'll know I have not been a wallflower about saying McQuaid must go. But imo, one should be extremely careful when saying "anything is better" - indeed, "anything" often turns out quite badly.

I'm going to follow this - but I want to see what MCC and CCN have to say about Cookson's hat in the ring.
 
hiero2 said:
To which I asked if you were serious - I didn't believe you were - but you replied



Hog - I think you make some very good points, with one exception. I don't see MatParker117's statement as a threat, but rather a statement of relative fact. Murdoch is not known for being an impartial boss, as I recall, and if he decided to get involved - and get his media involved - things could get very heated in the public arena indeed. Please feel free to ask for MatParker117's clarification on whether or not he is making a threat - I won't try to stop you from doing that. But to read that as a threat is making an assumption about what MatParker117 meant - an assumption that is not necessarily correct. Tell him it sounds like a threat, given who you think this poster is, if you like. But calling it a threat outright is inflammatory -

I think you missed the point.

At this stage the only candidate standing is Cookson.

If McQuaid were not to be nominated by Ireland or Swizterland then Cookson wins by default.

Whereby Mr. Parker infers that Cookson and his "friend" (direct quote) James Murdoch were to published stories on McQuaid then it would be game over. No vote. McQuaid would not be nominated due to "stories" in the press.

I didn't like the fact that Cookson would use a friend to win him the election.

Cookson is a UCI presidential candidate.

The inference was a threat. I agree with you it's a statement of fact but it was still a threat. It's my opinion. It may not be the opinion of others. Matt is welcome to contest it. I doubt he will.

McQuaid has a lot to anwser for but suggesting stories might get printed is not what we're looking for in the next UCI president.

That's what we have now. What's to suggest if Cookson does call in favours from Mudoch to win him the election it won't happen again on a other issue? Say Sky or British rider testing positive?

Not good enough from Matt.

I assume he's now applying marginal agains to the election? :rolleyes: