Newsflash. Brian Cookson, british cycling, to stand against Pat McQuaid (SUI) for uci

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Fearless Greg Lemond said:
Thanks for responding with an argument Doc. 999.999 plus one to go.

Again, please, endulge us with one argument why this man who turned his cheek during 1986-2009 and onwards is a good candidate. Did you see the little video of him on the panel with Landis?

He talks the same talk as McQuaid, ''çycling is so much cleaner now''. Bet he also thought Landis was a nutter.

Yupz, he is the man.

One good argument? Sure.

He was a Commissaire from 1986 to 2009 - what was he supposed to do with that power? You do know what a Commissaire is? They sit in a car most of the day. Or do we have to start with bikes and what races are.

Funny thing about the video with Landis - he went.
Ya, he was there, where were the rest of the Management Committee? And he adressed the panel too, and did not call Landis a scumbag.
 

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Zam_Olyas said:
He is better than Mr. McQuaid is Dr.Mas point i think, i could be mistaken. Fearless, What do you think? Is he a better choice than McQuaid?
True - but as pointed out......
Eyeballs Out said:
If we're looking for someone better than McQuaid then there are about 7 billion candidates
And just because McQ standards are so low, doesn't mean that the first candidate to challenge him should get a pass.
 
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thehog said:
What are you doing here Parker? Isn't Walsh the new press agent for Sky? :rolleyes:

Making threats against Pat?

Well there was a report not so longer ago about Sky and breakaway leagues. Looks like Cookson is the UCI stooge to make it happen like EPL - (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...said-to-discuss-breakaway-cycling-series.html)

JV is commissioning marketing reports no one reads.

Looks like the ducks are lining up nicely for the Sky World Series of Cycling.

(I won't tell anyone about the #cough cough business if you don't)

What you cough about is in my opinion the only way to wrestle cycling out of the grips of UCI, ASO and RCS.

Those organisations have far to much power and get far to much revenue from cycling compared to the teams.

What we need i a commissioner to handle all the twists and turns of professionel cycling. Someone independent that could tell ASO to pay for the use of the riders.

Someone that could do a Champions League of cycling. CL was only made because the big footballclubs in Europe threatened to start there own league to generate the billiondollar income that we see today.

ASO sells the TDF to more than a 100 countries and generate enormous revenues that only see on account, The ASOs.

With a professionel league og whatever we want to call it, there would be al large portion of that money going the teams way. That would make it much easier to run a top team.

Make changes, a lot of changes. Take away the teams busses, and let the new league supply them. No cheating can happen in a shared bus.

Make 7 man team in all GTs and larger races. The makes room for a lot more teams and more wildcards.

Let all cycling up to U23 run under the UCI together with track, women, BMX and whatever there are in the cyclingworld.

Make a draft like they have in the US i all major sports. Worst placed team in the Proleague chooses first. Salary caps for alle teams. That way we take away teams like Sky and make the competition more equal.

That is just my 5 cents and more qualified people can find many more ways to run it.

Then last but not least. All antidoping work should be done by an independent agency, that also made the rules that suited cycling best.

I might or might not be a good idea to forbid sugar/sal****er drops just to keep needles out of the sport. It might mean that riders dope instead of just having a sugardrop to handle the next stages. I dont know but maybe.
 
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Dr. Maserati said:
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Zam, simple answer is I don't know.
At first glance, he is million times better than McQ. But a dead stuffed cat would do less damage than McQ, so it's not a high bar.

Cookson talks the talk - calling for independent inquiry is a good start. But, ultimatley its talk, so I hope he is scrutinized carefully (& not smeared as has been happening) on his past, his associations and what he plans to do.

Yup - agree. At 1st glance, he looks better. But the possibility of him taking up the slot came up last year, and I recall some less flattering opinions of Cookson. But that is just what I remember - no links, no proof. I'm still waiting to see how things develop - and who pops up on what side.

In my mind, a major part of the problem is the whole structure of how the UCI prez gets the job - it maximizes the opportunities for a single good-old-boy network to pat themselves on the back - and minimizes any change to the structure.
 
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Zam_Olyas said:
He is better than Mr. McQuaid is Dr.Mas point i think, i could be mistaken. Fearless, What do you think? Is he a better choice than McQuaid?
They are both bad candidates. Institutionalized plush lovers.

When you take just a quick peek at the structure of the UCI management committee everybody can see what is wrong:
http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/g...bjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=MzQxMDk&LangId=1

The Management Committee manages the UCI. Nonetheless, it is placed under the authority of the Congress. All the members of the Management Committee have a democratic type of legitimacy: 10 of its members are elected directly by the Congress, whilst 5 of them are Presidents of the 5 Continental Confederations (elected by the
assembly of National Federations making up their Continental Confederation). Two members it co-opts may be added to the Management Committee, who nonetheless only have consultative powers. The Congress has the power to remove Management Committee members from office at any time.
http://www.uci.ch/templates/UCI/UCI1/layout.asp?MenuId=MTI2Njc&LangId=1

So, five are appointed, 5 are 'chosen'. Sorta looks like the UN with their permanent members of the Security Counsil?

We go further:
http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/g...bjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=MzQxMDk&LangId=1
The Professional Cycling Council, created on 28th January 2000 and made up of members chosen by the UCI Management Committee (6), by the AIGCP (2), by the CPA and by AIOCC15 (2), represent the interests of riders, Trade Teams and race organisers
So, UCI appoints 6 members, the rest are representatives 'from the field'.

Lets take a look at those representatives:
http://www.uci.ch/templates/UCI/UCI1/layout.asp?MenuId=MTI2NjY&LangId=1

President Joop ATSMA
Dutch plush lover in optima forma

Rocco CATTANEO nominated by the UCI

Roger LEGEAY nominated by the UCI

Ramon MENDIBURU nominated by the UCI

Stephen ROCHE nominated by the UCI

Eric ZABEL nominated by the UCI

Charly MOTTET representing the organizers

Christian PRUDHOMME representing the organizers

Alfonso GALILEA representing the teams

Luuc EISENGA representing the teams

Gianni BUGNO representing the riders

Dario CIONI representing the riders

I took the liberty to bold those ones with dubious pasts.

Just take a look at the organogram of the UCI
http://www.uci.ch/templates/BUILTIN-NOFRAMES/Template1/layout.asp?MenuId=MTY4NTc&LangId=1
and scroll through the commissions. For instance:
http://www.uci.ch/templates/UCI/UCI1/layout.asp?MenuId=MTI3MDI&LangId=1
Road Commission
President Brian COOKSON
Member Dario CIONI

Wtf is Sky's PR man doing there?

And, do note, McQuaid was also president of this commission before he succeeded Verbruggen.

A nice read:
http://prowomenscycling.com/2013/06/05/questions-id-like-the-uci-presidential-candidates-to-answer/
 
Dr. Maserati said:
You tell us?!
For now it's a rumour - we will even give you credit for starting it.

Doesn't UKAD do anti-doping, and they are independent of BC.


His son Oliver is listed on Team Sky website last year with the lofty title of Performance Assistant, but it appears to be on nutrition.

He ran a successful sports nutritional business, he is probably the wealthiest guy on Sky as he sold it for £58 million a couple of years ago.

If you know anything about UK racing, you'll know. Omerta lives on.

And as for Olly Cookson, hard though it is to believe, there is more that one Oliver Cookson on the planet so just googling a name doesn't make you an expert.

The Oliver Cookson working for Team Sky was on the dole in Spain riding for lowly club teams earning no money. I think he's considerably better off working for his dads team ;-)
 
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bobbins said:
If you know anything about UK racing, you'll know. Omerta lives on.

And as for Olly Cookson, hard though it is to believe, there is more that one Oliver Cookson on the planet so just googling a name doesn't make you an expert.

The Oliver Cookson working for Team Sky was on the dole in Spain riding for lowly club teams earning no money. I think he's considerably better off working for his dads team ;-)

This thread just keeps on getting better and better LOL.....:)
 
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As usual Dr M is mainly talking common sense (apart from his comical faux pas with the 60 million pound man working as a dogsbody - LOL).

The field of actually eligible candidates is small, best of a bad bunch might be better than the worst.

For me the main thing is he is not a Hein protege. Hein-Pat axis of evil is a major problem. Needs breaking up.
 

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bobbins said:
If you know anything about UK racing, you'll know. Omerta lives on.

And as for Olly Cookson, hard though it is to believe, there is more that one Oliver Cookson on the planet so just googling a name doesn't make you an expert.

The Oliver Cookson working for Team Sky was on the dole in Spain riding for lowly club teams earning no money. I think he's considerably better off working for his dads team ;-)
Ok, that's pretty funny about Oliver.
I was going to say at least Cooksons kid did well out of the connections, and there goes my theory on how BK was funding his bid unless welfare in Spain is generous.

But the highlighted is frustrating - omertà lives on in cycling, it is not defined to any scene - and writing that and then saying absolutely nothing is baffling.
Either there is merit to the positive story or there is not.
 
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rata de sentina said:
As usual Dr M is mainly talking common sense (apart from his comical faux pas with the 60 million pound man working as a dogsbody - LOL).

The field of actually eligible candidates is small, best of a bad bunch might be better than the worst.

For me the main thing is he is not a Hein protege. Hein-Pat axis of evil is a major problem. Needs breaking up.

No offence Dr Mas, but his faux pas got me puzzled yestarday after reading the post. I just couldn't reconcile the two juxtapositions in my head, but it is really funny.

And re BC favouratism and employment, they are usually from humble beginnings (see Dave Brailsford palmares and work experience prior to joining BC). So makes perfect sence to me.

On your last point, I would be careful what you wish for.
 
Great to see the legendary (and 100% above reproach)
former champion cyclist Gregory James Lemond give an
endorsement to Mr. Cookson and his vision of a brave
new era of clean cycling and transparent leadership.

I can't wait for all the Lemond haters to chime in!!
 
oldcrank said:
Great to see the legendary (and 100% above reproach)
former champion cyclist Gregory James Lemond give an
endorsement to Mr. Cookson and his vision of a brave
new era of clean cycling and transparent leadership.

I can't wait for all the Lemond haters to chime in!!

You're already drawing the lines for us vs them?

Why can't each issue be assessed on its merits?

It's not the Cold War you know.
 
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So since Lemond was clean it means he is the leading authority on clean cycling forever :rolleyes:

I guess that means that JV cant be taken seriously on anything he says about anti doping because he was a doper himself. What do you say oldcrack?
 
The Hitch said:
Hope of clean cycling? Werent these "hopes" for clean cycling realized in the last 2 years?
Well, British riders Sir Bradley Marc Wiggins and Christopher Froome
have made it abundantly clear that you can win the biggest races
clean, but we still have riders like Di Luca and Santambrogio from
Italy, Sylvain George from France and Sayar from Turkey returning
non-negative results.
 

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The Hitch said:
Yeah cos bbc totally know what they are talking about when it comes to cycling:rolleyes:
I have no idea bout what they usually so and indeed its irrelevant but they would accurate in saying election is far from a forgone conclusion.
 

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oldcrank said:
Well, British riders Sir Bradley Marc Wiggins and Christopher Froome
have made it abundantly clear that you can win the biggest races
clean, but we still have riders like Di Luca and Santambrogio from
Italy, Sylvain George from France and Sayar from Turkey returning
non-negative results.

Ah the British cycling way - dont do Drugs kids, get a better swim coach.
 
Dr. Maserati said:
Ah the British cycling way - dont do Drugs kids, get a better swim coach.
Yes, to be successful they think outside the box and get the best coaching, the best equipment, the best foods and nutritional products and use the best environments for training no matter where in the world they must go to find these things. Fortunately, they have the funds to enable them to operate in this fashion. But this thread is supposed to be about Mr. Brian Cookson and his run for UCI president, not necessarily about British Cycling...although to discuss the successes that British Cycling has had under his leadership, I assume, would be on topic.