Nibali next year programe giro or tour?

[airstream]

He was a better TT'er when he was young, frankly.

I think, he's still good in chrono under 20-25k, especially in the beginning of races. But he rides TT really weakly on third week.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

The funny thing is Nibali is considered to be more a TT'er, than a climber (fix me if I'm wrong).

Well, then those people who consider him a better time trialist are flat out and demonstrably wrong. His results in mountain stages and time trials speak for themselves.

 

[airstream]

Well, then those people who consider him a better time trialist are flat out and demonstrably wrong. His results in mountain stages and time trials speak for themselves.

It sounds weird, considering Nibali won the Vuelta in TT and never tried to go solo in the mountains. He gains in time trials to keep up in mountains. Is that not enough to call him TT'er?

 

[maltiv]

It sounds weird, considering Nibali won the Vuelta in TT and never tried to go solo in the mountains. He gains in time trials to keep up in mountains. Is that not enough to call him TT'er?

He didn't, he was 15th. Although amongst the GC contenders only Sastre (!!!) and Tondo beat him...

edit: Ok, I see your point now, but no.

 

[airstream]

He didn't, he was 15th. Although amongst the GC contenders only Sastre (!!!) and Tondo beat him...

edit: Ok, I see your point now, but no.

I call him TT'er for his very defensive style on mountain stages. It turns out that he is neither TT'er not climber then?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

More climber than ITT-er. And a real diesel, very consistent but also limited. Most of the time he is very intelligent though, that's why he got so much already out of his capabilities.

 

[maltiv]

I call him TT'er for his very defensive style on mountain stages. It turns out that he is neither TT'er not climber then?

Correct. You can't put riders (nor people!) into boxes just like that. Calling Nibali a TT specialist is just wrong, but not many would consider him a climber either, at least not a pure climber. Why not just call him what he is - a stage racer. What makes Nibali a GT winner and twice on the podium in the Giro is his intelligent riding, consistency, versatility and last but not least his excellent descending skills.

 

[airstream]

More climber than ITT-er. And a real diesel, very consistent but also limited. Most of the time he is very intelligent though, that's why he got so much already out of his capabilities.

Agreed. Nibali is a smart rider ans estimates his possibilities very sensibly. And it determines his achievements largely. But sometimes something hits in his head and he attacks on the Giau decent.

 

[theyoungest]

Correct. You can't put riders (nor people!) into boxes just like that. Calling Nibali a TT specialist is just wrong, but not many would consider him a climber either, at least not a pure climber. Why not just call him what he is - a stage racer. What makes Nibali a GT winner and twice on the podium in the Giro is his intelligent riding, consistency, versatility and last but not least his excellent descending skills.

His descending skills didn't really win him the Vuelta though. At least I don't remember him making a difference on a descent?

Actually, if you look at it, in the Giro he won a stage last year through his descending skills, and then was properly cooked for the next stage to the Zoncolan. This year, he descended like a stone off the Passo Giao, and was then cooked for the climb of the Fedaia. Maybe he should just try taking it easy on the descents

 

[airstream]

His descending skills didn't really win him the Vuelta though. At least I don't remember him making a difference on a descent?

Actually, if you look at it, in the Giro he won a stage last year through his descending skills, and then was properly cooked for the next stage to the Zoncolan. This year, he descended like a stone off the Passo Giao, and was then cooked for the climb of the Fedaia. Maybe he should just try taking it easy on the descents

You understood why he did that? Just to revenge Contador for the attack on the last kilometer of Zoncolan? Nibali started giving back his 2nd place then. It may cost the title...

 

[The Hitch]

You understood why he did that? Just to revenge Contador for the attack on the last kilometer of Zoncolan? Nibali started giving back his 2nd place then. It may cost the title...

He counterattacked the group. It wasnt just Contador it was everyone. Contador Rujano Purito attacked before the top of the climb. So Nibali catches them and counterattacks. "**** me. No, **** YOU!!!"

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

You understood why he did that? Just to revenge Contador for the attack on the last kilometer of Zoncolan? Nibali started giving back his 2nd place then. It may cost the title...

No, Contador will get to keep his 2011 results no matter what happens in November. It was a dumb move by Nibali, anyhow. He should be lucky that he still finished 3rd.