Nibali wants ban on SRM meters

[Dazed and Confused]

last years vuelta was great and sky's train was nowhere

Well, their leader, Froome couldn't follow the action early. A train 1km back from the front would look stupid.

The Colombians needs to step up soon to convince me they can play against the Sky train.

 

[DominicDecoco]

Cycling is slightly becoming more of a math lesson rather than a sport.

Let's get rid and see the how the riders would react to be completely 'naked'. I'm sure they would be very conservative in the beginning, though.

 

[oldcrank]

Look out honey 'cause I'm using technology
Ain't got time to make an apology.

from 'Search and Destroy'
by James Newell 'Iggy Pop' Osterberg

 

[serfla]

Cycling is slightly becoming more of a math lesson rather than a sport.

Let's get rid and see the how the riders would react to be completely 'naked'. I'm sure they would be very conservative in the beginning, though.

It's simply development of the sport.
It started with one gear, riders doing all repairs by themselves and who knows what else, to come where we're now.
It would be fantastic to see current stars of the sport on 1910 machines, racing by rules of that time, but it's not realistic. It's not the spirit of the sport.
Technical progress is what have created this sport, and it should be followed.

 

[podiumgirl]

Col d'Eze -

Wiggins 19:12
Porte 19.16

All about collecting the data and riding to it. It is the "secret" of Tenerife...

 

[_nm___]

the core concept of racing is to attack and not whine. nibali is acting ridiculous

i kind of agree.
also the likely key to beating sky is in training and racing with a powermeter, that's more or less what Contador was saying when he said "until now i had only seen sky on television (...)"

the day Nibali (and his team) accepts this he won't want to race without it again

 

[DominicDecoco]

It's simply development of the sport.
It started with one gear, riders doing all repairs by themselves and who knows what else, to come where we're now.
It would be fantastic to see current stars of the sport on 1910 machines, racing by rules of that time, but it's not realistic. It's not the spirit of the sport.
Technical progress is what have created this sport, and it should be followed.

If they can experiment with races without radios they can experiment with this as well. Lots of endurance sports do just fine without data equipment and cycling would be as well. Just because the technology is available it doesn't mean we have to implement it. Far from it.

'technical progress is what have created this sport' Where did you dig up this nonsense?

 

[Madone]

Here you can read an interview with Contador from today where he tells a litle about the SRM and that he looked at Fromes SRM on stage 5.

http://www.cyclingquotes.com/news/contador_it_is_important_to_see_the_working_system_of_team_sky/

 

[serfla]

If they can experiment with races without radios they can experiment with this as well. Lots of endurance sports do just fine without data equipment and cycling would be as well. Just because the technology is available it doesn't mean we have to implement it. Far from it.

'technical progress is what have created this sport' Where did you dig up this nonsense?

Why nonsense?
This sport wouldn't exist without a machine, would it?
And machine is result of technical progress.

You really don't understand the essence of cycling.

Please, think twice before you call something a nonsense.

 

[DominicDecoco]

Why nonsense?
This sport wouldn't exist without a machine, would it?
And machine is result of technical progress.

You really don't understand the essence of cycling.

Please, think twice before you call something a nonsense.

Is this genuine?

I seriously can't tell.

 

[serfla]

Is this genuine?

I seriously can't tell.

You can't tell if bicycle is a machine (avant-garde one when it showed up) or if cycling would exist without it?
What you can't tell?

Go couple of pages further back, there's a useful lesson on utilitarianism. It might help you to understand.

 

[Afrank]

Give all the pros Garmin 200's; Speed, time, distance, elevation gain, calories, max speed, and average speed. That's all you need during the race.
Go ahead and use the powermeters for training and in testing your efforts. But there really isn't a need for it during the race.

I would much rather see cyclists racing according to their heart then their screens. Or as Bernard Hinault says "as long as I breath, I attack."
Cyclists shouldn't be looking down at their screens and think "already pushing 350 watts, better hold this pace or I'll tire myself out" they should be thinking "getting tired, but I didn't get into this sport to ride at tempo and come into the finish with everyone else like on a casual group ride! I'm going to attack and make something happen here! It won't kill me."

Cycling holds it's roots in the epic rides the riders of the past embarked on, guys like Merckx, Hinault, Kelly, Gaul, etc. These guys didn't think about whether they might overdo it, or go out too hard on a attack, or the risk of the attack not working out. They just did it and hoped for the best.
They raced according to their heart, not their screen.

 

[serfla]

Give all the pros Garmin 200's; Speed, time, distance, elevation gain, calories, max speed, and average speed. That's all you need during the race.
Go ahead and use the powermeters for training and in testing your efforts. But there really isn't a need for it during the race.

I would much rather see cyclists racing according to their heart then their screens. Or as Bernard Hinault says "as long as I breath, I attack."
Cyclists shouldn't be looking down at their screens and think "already pushing 350 watts, better hold this pace or I'll tire myself out" they should be thinking "getting tired, but I didn't get into this sport to ride at tempo and come into the finish with everyone else like on a casual group ride! I'm going to attack and make something happen here! It won't kill me."

Cycling holds it's roots in the epic rides the riders of the past embarked on, guys like Merckx, Hinault, Kelly, Gaul, etc. These guys didn't think about whether they might overdo it, or go out too hard on a attack, or the risk of the attack not working out. They just did it and hoped for the best.
They raced according to their heart, not their screen.

I can't agree.
They'd probably use power meters if they've had them. Just like they've used more advanced machines than the generations before them.
Power meters are innovation of the time we're in. Just like the gears and shifting mechanisms were in their time.
A man is still behind all the technology and has to know how to use it.

 

[Afrank]

I can't agree.
They'd probably use power meters if they've had them. Just like they've used more advanced machines than the generations before them.
Power meters are innovation of the time we're in. Just like the gears and shifting mechanisms were in their time.
A man is still behind all the technology and has to know how to use it.

I didn't ask you if you agreed. Yeah they probably would use them if they had them, but then they probably wouldn't have gone out on those epic, risk it all rides. I'm not against power meters, but there isn't a need for them during a race, and they don't inspire risk taking or attacking racing (the kind of racing we will always remember). They inspire conservative racing. And that is not the kind of racing I want to see.
And just because someone doesn't think there should be or is need for power meters in a race doesn't mean they don't know how to use them.

 

[serfla]

I didn't ask you if you agreed. Yeah they probably would use them if they had them, but then they probably wouldn't have gone out on those epic, risk it all rides. I'm not against power meters, but there isn't a need for them during a race, and they don't inspire risk taking or attacking racing (the kind of racing we will always remember); they inspire conservative racing. And that is not the kind of racing I want to see.
And just because someone doesn't think there should be or is need for power meters in a race doesn't mean they don't know how to use them.

Wait... I can express my opinion only if you ask me whether I agree?
What's the matter with you? What kind of manner is that?

 

[Afrank]

Wait... I can express my opinion only if you ask me whether I agree?
What's the matter with you? What kind of manner is that?

Okay, that part probably didn't need to be in there. Go ahead and express your opinion further, I expressed mine. I'm going to stick to the threads topic.

 

[cineteq]

When technology affects the integrity of the sport, in this case road race cycling, is the time to stop using it. The goal should be to eliminate predictability. Power meters and team radios must be removed!

Riders should be the ones deciding what to do during the race, not the team managers.

 

[serfla]

Okay, that part probably didn't need to be in there. Go ahead and express your opinion further, I expressed mine. I'm going to stick to the threads topic.

I think I've elaborated enough on the topic in these 15 pages.

 

[Unkown]

I would rather power meters be banned than race radio, but really don't think it would make too much of a difference. Problem with power meters IMO is that all the guy on the front has to do is look at it and if he sees 400 he knows everyone else behind is hurting. Well obviously you'd still need to generate the power to do that, but maybe it would make a slight difference if they got banned. Who knows.

 

[_nm___]

I can't agree.
They'd probably use power meters if they've had them. Just like they've used more advanced machines than the generations before them.
Power meters are innovation of the time we're in. Just like the gears and shifting mechanisms were in their time.
A man is still behind all the technology and has to know how to use it.

hm... not all riders today race with one. Thomas Voeckler for example doesn't. so with a bit of luck maybe some of the stars from the past might have refused to use them

I didn't ask you if you agreed. Yeah they probably would use them if they had them, but then they probably wouldn't have gone out on those epic, risk it all rides. I'm not against power meters, but there isn't a need for them during a race, and they don't inspire risk taking or attacking racing (the kind of racing we will always remember). They inspire conservative racing. And that is not the kind of racing I want to see.
And just because someone doesn't think there should be or is need for power meters in a race doesn't mean they don't know how to use them.

ok, but it indicates that they are not ready to use power meters to their full potential

 

[_nm___]

also i forgot to say: in climbs you probably don't need power meters to know what power you are pushing

not having a power reading might not affect sky that much, scientific as they are, they would find another way

 

[_nm___]

When technology affects the integrity of the sport, in this case road race cycling, is the time to stop using it. The goal should be to eliminate predictability. Power meters and team radios must be removed!

Riders should be the ones deciding what to do during the race, not the team managers.

racing is predictable today because nobody is doing anything serious about sky's dominance*. not because of power meters.

the meters were available before sky.




*well maybe it's a bit too early for someone to have found a solution yet. but sky won't dominate for ever anyway

 

[bassplayer88]

its a beautiful tradition for riders to ride with only 'sensations' to guide them, true cycling folk lore

but lets face facts, we are in the age of carbon fibre and skin suits,

having srm meters or not means jack s*** compared to having a small army of talented climbing doms, all on specifics plans (however you wish to interpret), super motivated (mentality always seems to be under looked on this forum), and drilled.c

Maybe looking at skys budget or the rigor of the planning behind the team you would find something more concrete to pin this domination/suffocation of the sport on.

As im aware dont most 'classic' pro teams still expect there riders to do alot of training alone>?

Btw id love to be able to ride with srm, see how many watts i can push! if they do ban em, send one to me!

 

[BroDeal]

I am officially now a Nibali fan.

 

[barn yard]

i dont care that much about sky using power meters but chris froome's position on the bike, specifically his weird outwards pointing arms and terrible choice of eyewear is an embarrassment to this beautiful sport