Nibali wants ban on SRM meters

[Richeypen]

But every team riding like Sky surely wouldn't improve the sport either? (Hypothetical of course as no other team can push their numbers).

The best team would just deliver its leader to the 1k to go mark, and then he would dash away.

You mean like US Postal. That tactic will be used by the strongest team if they are that way inclined technology or no technology.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Normally that would be the case yes, and I would agree with you.
Sky seems to have discovered numbers that are almost universally applicable however...

So everyone would know that it didn't matter that someone rode away, as they know that they simply need 2 teammates to ride at xxx watts to get them back.

Exactly, nobody stands a chance anymore

There is someone who once said "a race that doesn't give the attacker the chance to finish it off is not a race anymore." It is used as a signature by someone. I guess the same applies to racing.

 

[Knutsen]

Team size is the key. 6 man teams in GTs would created carnage, SRM or no SRM

And this.

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[serfla]

But every team riding like Sky surely wouldn't improve the sport either? (Hypothetical of course as no other team can push their numbers).

The best team would just deliver its leader to the 1k to go mark, and then he would dash away.

So the point is in pushing the biggest numbers, isn't it?
That brings us back at the beginning.
Technology just serves a man to use his capabilities more efficient. You still have to be the strongest, no matter what is attached to your machine.
And that's the essence of cycling - utilitarianism with a man in leading role... Driving force, decision maker, his will and ambition.

 

[Peccio89]

Banning SRM would improve the show much more than banning team radio in my opinion.
Hope Contador and other riders support this too, i think the french riders would be particularly in favor of the proposal.

 

[Eshnar]

There is someone who once said "a race that doesn't give the attacker the chance to finish it off is not a race anymore." It is used as a signature by someone.

For the record, it was Mauro Vegni, the guy who designs all RCS races u.u

 

[LaFlorecita]

To certain extent such calculations are present since race radios are introduced.
Rejecting technologies, just because someone hasn't figured out how to use them, isn't way to improve the sport.

It isn't about teams having or not having figured out the technologies, it's about sky having figured out the max possible numbers. So other riders don't stand a chance. No one can be better than sky. Got that? Whether they figure out the technologies or not they cannot be better than sky, they can equal them at best.

 

[LaFlorecita]

For the record, it was Mauro Vegni, the guy who designs all RCS races u.u

Thank you.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

You mean like US Postal. That tactic will be used by the strongest team if they are that way inclined technology or no technology.

watching the races with US postal was only marginally more entertaining than some of the stuff we have now. At least riders went solo somewhat earlier on the climbs than now. We have now 3-4 riders from the same team patrolling the front of the race with 2km to go or less. Regardless of the stage type.

The control element has only increased since the Armstrong days.

 

[serfla]

It isn't about teams having or not having figured out the technologies, it's about sky having figured out the max possible numbers. So other riders don't stand a chance. No one can be better than sky. Got that? Whether they figure out the technologies or not they cannot be better than sky, they can equal them at best.

It is you who doesn't get that other teams haven't figured out what ever Sky has figured out. So the other teams should try harder to get it. It's not the power meters or anything else by itself. It's human factor.
Clear enough?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Team size is the key. 6 man teams in GTs would created carnage, SRM or no SRM

I guess the gap between sky and other teams would just get bigger because unlike sky, those other teams can't create a team with climbers and rouleurs that can also climb mountains with the best climbers in the world.

 

[LaFlorecita]

It is you who doesn't get that other teams haven't figured out what ever Sky has figured out. So the other teams should try harder to get it. It's not the power meters or anything else by itself. It's human factor.
Clear enough?

No one can do better than Sky. NO ONE CAN BEAT THEM EVEN IF THEY FIGURE OUT THE NEW TECHNOLOGIES. NO TEAM OR RIDER CAN BEAT THEM, THEY CAN ONLY EQUAL THEM AT BEST.

I hope that was clear enough to get it through your thick skull.

 

[Netserk]

For anyone who needs a chill pill, just ask I have plenty.

Here:

 

[serfla]

No one can do better than Sky. NO ONE CAN BEAT THEM EVEN IF THEY FIGURE OUT THE NEW TECHNOLOGIES. NO TEAM OR RIDER CAN BEAT THEM, THEY CAN ONLY EQUAL THEM AT BEST.

I hope that was clear enough to get it through your thick skull.

So you agree that the technology isn't the problem?
If you've forgotten the discussion started about technology.
You don't have to yell. But, maybe, I should.

 

[LaFlorecita]

So you agree that the technology isn't the problem?
If you've forgotten the discussion started about technology.
You don't have to yell. But, maybe, I should.

Technology IS the problem. God, you're hopeless. I'm done arguing with you, reminds me of my arguments with airstream. Constantly saying the same thing. Christ. You're the master troll.

 

[cineteq]

Nibali thinks banning SRM meters in race will lead to better racing instead of banning the race radios. He said that based on Sky just riding on their power meters so they can control everything instead of based on feeling...

Lo Squalo is partly right. I'd like both to be banned. Among other things, Sky has maximized the use of this technology, and now it's become a problem.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

So the point is in pushing the biggest numbers, isn't it?
That brings us back at the beginning.
Technology just serves a man to use his capabilities more efficient. You still have to be the strongest, no matter what is attached to your machine.
And that's the essence of cycling - utilitarianism with a man in leading role... Driving force, decision maker, his will and ambition.

So, do tell me why those SRM files are not made accessable for the spectators? Riders weight? V02max tests?

Give us the live telemetry.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I guess the gap between sky and other teams would just get bigger because unlike sky, those other teams can't create a team with climbers and rouleurs that can also climb mountains with the best climbers in the world.

The issue is not about creating two equally strong teams, the issue is about making sure 1 team can't control a race to death. Less riders in a team simply means less control. Less riders in the train leaves the key riders alone earlier on stages. This will create a more dynamic race and the strongest riders on the teams will be able to make an impact on a more regular basis over say three weeks.

And remember top riders wants to ride for themselves when they become good enough.

This is the theory. It should be tested.

 

[Netserk]

The issue is not about creating two equally strong teams, the issue is about making sure 1 team can't control a race to death. Less riders in a team simply means less control. Less riders in the train leaves the key riders alone earlier on stages. This will create a more dynamic race and the strongest riders on the teams will be able to make an impact on a more regular basis over say three weeks.

And remember top riders wants to ride for themselves when they become good enough.

This is the theory. It should be tested.

Just make all stages 100km longer and the doms will be burnt out before the final.

 

[serfla]

Technology IS the problem. God, you're hopeless. I'm done arguing with you, reminds me of my arguments with airstream. Constantly saying the same thing. Christ.

O.K.
Technology is the problem, but you haven't explained how.

 

[cocteau_ireland]

Some technologies are good- the printing press. Some are bad- the hydrogen bomb. Some need to be carefully deliberated upon as it pertains to its application. A great pity the uci are scandalously inept. Watching the already awkward froome check his power metre every three seconds last summer made me embarrassed for the sport. If he has some weird neck tick think, no offence dawg.

 

[cineteq]

Just make all stages 100km longer and the doms will be burnt out before the final.

Sure, we've seen this doesn't work. They'll ride 25Km/hr the first few hours and problem solved.

 

[serfla]

So, do tell me why those SRM files are not made accessable for the spectators? Riders weight? V02max tests?

Give us the live telemetry.

I don't know. But that neither is a topic of this thread.
Nibali can use what ever Sky uses and hide what ever Sky's hiding. That's the topic.
If Sky has discovered something what's out of reach to others - it's others' problem.

 

[LaFlorecita]

O.K.
Technology is the problem, but you haven't explained how.

Look closer, I have explained it many times

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Just make all stages 100km longer and the doms will be burnt out before the final.

don't agree, the peloton will go much slower and everybody will be dead in the end, certainly in a stage race. Dull racing will be the result. Just my opinion.

Cut team size, save money and make racing much more dynamic instead.