Nibali wants ban on SRM meters

[King Of The Wolds]

I think we all know what Nibs meant by power meters.

You don't train with power meters without....

Just you, actually. He really did mean power meters.

 

[LaFlorecita]

we'll see in july

you should be more positive after today. it's only march...there is people reacting like sky just killed pro cycling... i say let's wait

I don't see any reason to be positive. I won't even be surprised when Froome wins TDF with a 10 minute advantage over Alberto. Other riders can't match sky. It's time to face the facts. They might win every relatively important stage race for the next few years. And I am sure I won't be the only one who'll stop following this sport which had so many aspects I loved.

Sky IS killing pro cycling.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

we'll see in july

you should be more positive after today. it's only march...there is people reacting like sky just killed pro cycling... i say let's wait

Many ways to kill the sport. Currently Sky is using a suffocation technique. Pretty effective.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

I just posted a srm-nibali related tweet from a pro. this thread is about srm-nibali so i am free to post about it. cheers

You rightfully are, as I am free to comment on your BS stance. Hiding behind the BIG, I say, HUGE pro Hayden Roulston, vanquer of many races in New Zealand.

What is the use of SRM if they are not made grand public?

 

[serfla]

I find quite a few modern races dull and way too controlled. If throwing the SRM's in the dustbin can help make the races more interesting, the sport should look into it. Similarly with team size and team radios. This isn't about Nibali, its about trying to make the sport more interesting to watch.

Team radios are more responsible for dull and controlled racing than power meters. That's one thing.
The other thing is - when you ban radios, escapees won't be able to get more than couple of minutes on bunch. Just because of caution. It has been tried and the result was disappointing.

The power meters talk is just a result of Nibali's frustration. If he was in the Sky train, he wouldn't say a word.

The way to more exciting racing leads over full understanding of modern technologies, not over rejecting them.

 

[Panda Claws]

Team radios are more responsible for dull and controlled racing than power meters. That's one thing.
The other thing is - when you ban radios, escapees won't be able to get more than couple of minutes on bunch. Just because of caution. It has been tried and the result was disappointing.

The power meters talk is just a result of Nibali's frustration. If he was in the Sky train, he wouldn't say a word.

The way to more exciting racing leads over full understanding of modern technologies, not over rejecting them.

How do you imagine an SRM meter controlled race would be exciting then?

 

[pastronef]

You rightfully are, as I am free to comment on your BS stance. Hiding behind the BIG, I say, HUGE pro Hayden Roulston, vainqueur of many races in New Zealand.

I corrected it

 

[Richeypen]

The way to more exciting racing leads over full understanding of modern technologies, not over rejecting them.

This







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[Netserk]

You rightfully are, as I am free to comment on your BS stance. Hiding behind the BIG, I say, HUGE pro Hayden Roulston, vanquer of many races in New Zealand.

What is the use of SRM if they are not made grand public?

Back down with the personal attacks.

This applies to all, but specifically FGL.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Many ways to kill the sport. Currently Sky is using a suffocation technique. Pretty effective.

Spot on.
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[Panda Claws]

This







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I repeat: How do you imagine an SRM meter controlled race would be exciting then?

 

[LaFlorecita]

This







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Are you kidding me?

See Panda Claws's question

 

[serfla]

How do you imagine an SRM meter controlled race would be exciting then?

What do you want me to do now?
To tell you a story from the future?

There are still riders who push pedals, read data, look at opposition, apply tactics... Do everything what makes racing.
The only difference is that they'll rely on exact data about their limits, instead of personal feeling.
No one will know others' data, just like no one knows how the others are feeling.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

I corrected it

Much obliged! Grazie mille.

 

[cocteau_ireland]

Team radios are more responsible for dull and controlled racing than power meters. That's one thing.
The other thing is - when you ban radios, escapees won't be able to get more than couple of minutes on bunch. Just because of caution. It has been tried and the result was disappointing.

The power meters talk is just a result of Nibali's frustration. If he was in the Sky train, he wouldn't say a word.

The way to more exciting racing leads over full understanding of modern technologies, not over rejecting them.

Just like we don't need to know anything anymore(thanx google, bike riders increasingly don't have to know how to ride bikes. The inexorable advancement of technology should not be freely welcomed. Baseline for incorporation; is it likely to make racing better? Honestly, we could just have the riders remain at home and let weekly diagnostics pronounce winners based on power output.

 

[Richeypen]

Guaranteed that people said the same things when speedometers were introduced, and then when hrm were introduced.

 

[Panda Claws]

What do you want me to do now?
To tell you a story from the future?

There are still riders who push pedals, read data, look at opposition, apply tactics... Do everything what makes racing.
The only difference is that they'll rely on exact data about their limits, instead of personal feeling.
No one will know others' data, just like no one knows how the others are feeling.

Normally that would be the case yes, and I would agree with you.
Sky seems to have discovered numbers that are almost universally applicable however...

So everyone would know that it didn't matter that someone rode away, as they know that they simply need 2 teammates to ride at xxx watts to get them back.

 

[serfla]

Guaranteed that people said the same things when speedometers were introduced, and then when hrm were introduced.

Exactly.
Every innovation meets resistance.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

The more tech, the more borefest is a nice approach to cycling if you aske me. Attack if you feel good, don't look at your watt outputs, or whatever the kids are doing these days

 

[LaFlorecita]

What do you want me to do now?
To tell you a story from the future?

There are still riders who push pedals, read data, look at opposition, apply tactics... Do everything what makes racing.
The only difference is that they'll rely on exact data about their limits, instead of personal feeling.
No one will know others' data, just like no one knows how the others are feeling.

That isn't happening in sky is it?

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Team radios are more responsible for dull and controlled racing than power meters. That's one thing.

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We haven't tried a combination of no team radios, no SRM's and smaller teams.

My personal argument is the balance between team and individual strength has moved too far in the direction of teams. Very few individuals can make a difference these days, well except over the last 1000m just before the line. Not much entertainment in front of the TV time wise.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Just like we don't need to know know anything anymore(thank google, bike riders increasingly don't have to know how to ride bikes. The inexorable advancement of technology should not be freely welcomed. Baseline for incorporation; is it likely to make racing better? Honestly, we could just have the riders remain at home and let weekly diagnostics pronounce winners based on power output.

Good point

 

[Richeypen]

We haven't tried a combination of no team radios, no SRM's and smaller teams.

My personal argument is the balance between team and individual strength has moved too far in the direction of teams. Very few individuals can make a difference these days, well except over the last 1000m just before the line. Not much entertainment in front of the TV time wise.

Team size is the key. 6 man teams in GTs would created carnage, SRM or no SRM

 

[serfla]

Normally that would be the case yes, and I would agree with you.
Sky seems to have discovered numbers that are almost universally applicable however...

So everyone would know that it didn't matter that someone rode away, as they know that they simply need 2 teammates to ride at xxx watts to get them back.

To certain extent such calculations are present since race radios are introduced.
Rejecting technologies, just because someone hasn't figured out how to use them, isn't way to improve the sport.

 

[Panda Claws]

To certain extent such calculations are present since race radios are introduced.
Rejecting technologies, just because someone hasn't figured out how to use them, isn't way to improve the sport.

But every team riding like Sky surely wouldn't improve the sport either? (Hypothetical of course as no other team can push their numbers).

The best team would just deliver its leader to the 1k to go mark, and then he would dash away.