Nibali wants ban on SRM meters

[Alex Simmons/RST]

So, do tell me why those SRM files are not made accessable for the spectators? Riders weight? V02max tests?

Give us the live telemetry.

UCI banned live telemetry.

 

[ElChingon]

For all the discussion on the matter technology is here to stay, its not going away its only going to become more prevalent.

Some say let the riders race on instinct. Well if that were true or to be used you'd have to dump all time measurement except till the end of the stage/race, no moto with a time difference to the break. I mean if you want instinct there is no need for any inter race timing.

Racing is boring due to boring racers, and being a fan of exciting racers I know that they are few and far in between. Tech is only an excuse to not be exciting or grab the race by the horns by the racers. Nibali is one of the exciting racers and I think he just wants more riders to actually race and not go out for a training ride and suck his wheel the whole way as usually happens to him. The other thing is this is just the start of the season and basically 90% are out just clicking the K's at race pace and not interested in the wins, just yet.

The whole Sky angle is basically for the Clinic so we can't talk about it here.

 

[LaFlorecita]

racing is predictable today because nobody is doing anything serious about sky's dominance*. not because of power meters.

the meters were available before sky.

*well maybe it's a bit too early for someone to have found a solution yet. but sky won't dominate for ever anyway

Why is no one doing anything serious about sky's dominance? Because they can't.

 

[RHRH19861986]

If SRM is prohibited in races, why not also prohibit normal bike computers who show speed and time? The rider knows his weight, knows the gradients, so these normal computers are also able to let control the effort a rider makes.

I think Nibali is wrong here. Also a Froome rides with instinct and a DS behind him. When Froome plans to do 410 W for 36 minutes and Nibali or Contador need 35:22, Froome won´t win. The fastest wins, and it needs more than SRM to win races.

 

[42x16ss]

Why is no one doing anything serious about sky's dominance? Because they can't.

I say wait and see.

Now that Contador has an idea of what power figures he needs to be pushing to keep up with Froome, he should be able to plan accordingly. He hinted as much in the cyclingquotes interview posted earlier. AC is smart enough to take notice and do what he has to, forget the spectacle (if necessary).

Add the greatly improved Saxo-Tinkoff squad into the mix (Michael Rogers may be a key player here) and Sky may well end up eating some humble pie come July. AC won't win Tirreno-Adriatico but he may have gotten some great re-con on his main contender come Tour time.

 

[LaFlorecita]

I say wait and see.

Now that Contador has an idea of what power figures he needs to be pushing to keep up with Froome, he should be able to plan accordingly. He hinted as much in the cyclingquotes interview posted earlier. AC is smart enough to take notice and do what he has to, forget the spectacle (if necessary).

Add the greatly improved Saxo-Tinkoff squad into the mix (Michael Rogers may be a key player here) and Sky may well end up eating some humble pie come July. AC won't win Tirreno-Adriatico but he may have gotten some great re-con on his main contender come Tour time.

God, I hope so

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I say wait and see.

Now that Contador has an idea of what power figures he needs to be pushing to keep up with Froome, he should be able to plan accordingly. He hinted as much in the cyclingquotes interview posted earlier. AC is smart enough to take notice and do what he has to, forget the spectacle (if necessary).

Add the greatly improved Saxo-Tinkoff squad into the mix (Michael Rogers may be a key player here) and Sky may well end up eating some humble pie come July. AC won't win Tirreno-Adriatico but he may have gotten some great re-con on his main contender come Tour time.

Contador and his team will be considerable stronger at the Tour and for sure Rogers will no longer ride like a donkey.

But the transformation will have nothing to do with training with power meters outside Pinto.

 

[wwabbit]

Why is no one doing anything serious about sky's dominance? Because they can't.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1163179&postcount=500

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

UCI banned live telemetry.

I know, question should be why.

 

[42x16ss]

Contador and his team will be considerable stronger at the Tour and for sure Rogers will no longer ride like a donkey.

But the transformation will have nothing to do with training with power meters outside Pinto.

Of course it will, how else will they know if they are strong enough????

It's not ALL about the clinic stuff you know (queue dramatic sound effect)

 

[personal]

Getting from A to B in the shortest time possible?

You need to read "Rider" by Tim Krabbe.

"A man shouts: ‘Faster!’ He probably thinks bicycle racing is about going fast."

http://www.cyclingtips.com.au/2010/11/the-rider/

 

[personal]

Team size is the key. 6 man teams in GTs would created carnage, SRM or no SRM

I agree completely.

Smaller teams and more of them.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Of course it will, how else will they know if they are strong enough????

It's not ALL about the clinic stuff you know (queue dramatic sound effect)

This. Though Saxo will come up short regardless. They're a bunch of amateurs compared to Sky.

Kreuziger got a lot of praise here for his performance in yesterday's T-A stage, but it's irrelevant with climbs like Alpe d'Huez in mind. Contador will be isolated very quickly. Rogers is pretty much done, I think.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

if you want sky to stop dominate it's simple, have 6 riders per team, but you don't hear nibali about that. because he would eb scared too. with 6 riders per team the sky train won't work, see london

 

[MartinGT]

Agree with Nibbles. Wathcing the Skybots do this is turning stage racing into a snooze fest.

 

[BlenJones2]

if you want sky to stop dominate it's simple, have 6 riders per team, but you don't hear nibali about that. because he would eb scared too. with 6 riders per team the sky train won't work, see london

I agree. These guys spend all day everyday riding their bikes and must know their limits and what speeds they can handle.

 

[Winterfold]

last years vuelta was great and sky's train was nowhere

besides it's not forbidden for other teams to also ride on their power meters. this is clean cycling and it sucks. we see mostly cyrbors that can't do any serious attack. every riders falls back etc. only hope is the colombians who are naturally doped.

LOL good post.

Nibali I generally like, but he does like a good whinge; Contador didnt help, Froome kept looking at his computer, Wiggins doesnt respect me wah wah wah

Here is what a real racer has to say:

""I think it's been a great race so far and it's nice that guys like Froome have come along. Things are finely balanced in the peloton and we've already had some great racing this season," he said.

"Froome is good now, Contador went well in Argentina. All the riders who are fighting for the big races are on form, so there's some spectacular racing where success can be won or lost by just a few seconds. I know what I'm talking about because I lost the Giro d'Italia by just a few seconds last year."

Nibali needs to look at his power meter - it will be telling him to do some work on his FTP and get some stronger team mates.

 

[Netserk]

It's not all new technology that is allowed in a race. The UCI already have so many restrictions, so saying that SRM meters shouldn't be banned, because it restricts technology, is stupid. At non-ProTour events race radios are banned. There are restrictions regarding the socks they can use for Christ sake.

If you are pro SRM meters and race radios it's ok, but don't give me crap that nothing should ever be banned. Do you also think that TT-bars should be allowed in a road race?

 

[Winterfold]

So it's either good or bad?

Or both?

It depends on how you use it.

If you are a climbing rouleur who wants to TT up a mountain - SRMs are great.

If you are a rider who developed a style based on er Clinic things and hasnt yet adapted to a more calm style of performing then you need to think about how you too can make use of them to suit your style.

If you are Nibali who is neither the best rouleur nor the best attacking climber then I can see how they are a pain in the *** because the rouleurs know much better how to judge their effort and will just grind back up to you.

The thing is, the cat is out of the bag now, these guys should have learned to judge their sensations and will know what they can do, and that they can still win if they dont follow attacks, so take them away, I imagine Nibali will soon be whinging about something else - its not fair Purito was born with those genes etc

 

[spalco]

My first instinct was to say "nonsense, sour grapes by a guy who hasn't won much in the last couple years", but thinking about it further, he might be right.

I certainly don't see what the SRM riding adds to racing. It clearly doesn't increase the entertainment value for the fans. And while that's not the only consideration (it's still a sport after all, not a circus), it's an important one imo.

 

[Netserk]

My first instinct was to say "nonsense, sour grapes by a guy who hasn't won much in the last couple years", but thinking about it further, he might be right.

I certainly don't see what the SRM riding adds to racing. It clearly doesn't increase the entertainment value for the fans. And while that's not the only consideration (it's still a sport after all, not a circus), it's an important one imo.

Totally agree with the second part.

 

[rhubroma]

It's like being allowed to look at your notes during an exam. Do away with them and let's see how these guys really know how to perform. If they're that good, then it should make no difference. I've said it for years: too much technology and not enough humanity.

 

[Parrulo]

Or both?

It depends on how you use it.

If you are a climbing rouleur who wants to TT up a mountain - SRMs are great.

If you are a rider who developed a style based on er Clinic things and hasnt yet adapted to a more calm style of performing then you need to think about how you too can make use of them to suit your style.

If you are Nibali who is neither the best rouleur nor the best attacking climber then I can see how they are a pain in the *** because the rouleurs know much better how to judge their effort and will just grind back up to you.

The thing is, the cat is out of the bag now, these guys should have learned to judge their sensations and will know what they can do, and that they can still win if they dont follow attacks, so take them away, I imagine Nibali will soon be whinging about something else - its not fair Purito was born with those genes etc

what a bunch of BS. . . . don't let poor hrotha see it

 

[wwabbit]

It's like being allowed to look at your notes during an exam. Do away with them and let's see how these guys really know how to perform. If they're that good, then it should make no difference. I've said it for years: too much technology and not enough humanity.

You haven't heard of open-book examinations?
They are becoming more commonly used these days in college.

 

[hrotha]

what a bunch of BS. . . . don't let poor hrotha see it

Too late.

Naturally, I agree with Nibbles. There may be a component of sour grapes (which I think stems from things that can't discussed in this here forum), but that doesn't change the fact that he's speaking what should be self-evident truth.