No love lost for Lance - media reacts

[Big Doopie]

http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/8852974/lance-armstrong-history-lying

Rick Reilly having to eat some crow. If he'd done a little more research from the right sources, he might have been able to be more skeptical and save him self some humiliation, but at least he's owning up to the fact that he was wrong this whole time.

just sent him an email.

he seems to be astonished that Armstrong lied to him. did it ever cross his mind to do any work and research? the journalists at l'equipe who watched armstrong spin to victory at sestrieres all knew then and there that he was a fraud. every single cyclist and all of europe knew in the 90s that the only reason a cyclist would go to dr. ferrari was to dope. the only reason. and why didn't reilly check with the brave honest souls who accused armstrong with nothing to gain and everything to lose...?

no. he just sounds hurt that armstrong -- even off the record!! -- would lie to him.

what an idiot.

 

[Bosco10]

http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/8852974/lance-armstrong-history-lying

Rick Reilly having to eat some crow. If he'd done a little more research from the right sources, he might have been able to be more skeptical and save him self some humiliation, but at least he's owning up to the fact that he was wrong this whole time.

Sorry that Rick seems so fanny hurt about things. But he must have known that ol' Lance was not on the up & up, at least by last October when Usada released their reasoned decision. I think Rick was just waiting for the right time to unload.

 

[Jack Ruby]

Here's the truth: Without doping Lance Armstrong would be nobody


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/more/news/20130117/lance-armstrong/?sct=hp_t11_a2

 

[AussieEdge]

just sent him an email.

he seems to be astonished that Armstrong lied to him. did it ever cross his mind to do any work and research? the journalists at l'equipe who watched armstrong spin to victory at sestrieres all knew then and there that he was a fraud. every single cyclist and all of europe knew in the 90s that the only reason a cyclist would go to dr. ferrari was to dope. the only reason. and why didn't reilly check with the brave honest souls who accused armstrong with nothing to gain and everything to lose...?

no. he just sounds hurt that armstrong -- even off the record!! -- would lie to him.

what an idiot.

But that was Armstrong...the ability to talk you into thinking he was right & honest...

basically a very intelligent Conman..

 

[Big Doopie]

But that was Armstrong...the ability to talk you into thinking he was right & honest...

basically a very intelligent Conman..

oh no doubt. (sociopath...anyone?)

but reilly never mentions even talking to the accusers? he just takes armstrong's word as gospel.

he should look for another job, because that is not journalism.

 

[AussieEdge]

oh no doubt. (sociopath...anyone?)

but reilly never mentions even talking to the accusers? he just takes armstrong's word as gospel.

he should look for another job, because that is not journalism.

That goes back to believing Armstrong's word, which a Sociopath does better than most

Besides, if publishing something without checking facts is reason for sacking, they'd be no Journos left...

 

[Desperate Moments]

Yea, Sally Jenkins was the journalist that needed apologizing to...the ball on that guy!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...apologized-to-sally-jenkins/?wprss=rss_sports

OMG, that interview with Sally Jenkins is just nauseating. I have just about had it. And she calls herself a journalist? This bit here really did it for me: "For better or worse, our greatest cancer fighter happens to be a guy who also took some chances with his health. And that’s an interesting fact." Greatest cancer fighter??? WTF! I've been mostly lurking on these threads since the Landis story broke 2 years ago. I'm a cancer "survivor." When my sister was diagnosed, feeling helpless, I suggested she check out Livestrong to see if there were any support resources, etc. She reported back to me that it was totally useless. I later discovered that to be true in my own case--though by then, I was already pretty much wise to this very un-funny clown. And now I am completely appalled at all the hype this "interview" publicity stunt is getting, and the mainstream media are complicit--especially CBS News, home to Gale King, Oprah's best buddy. Why is her "reporting" on this story not a conflict of interest? I'm afraid this circus will be the first step down Redemption Road for Lance--and a return to some sort of "credibility" for Oprah. Well, folks, I will NOT be watching. But I will be checking in with the Clinic for some reaction--and some much-needed laughs. So keep 'em coming. Thanks, Susan

 

[Big Doopie]

Well, folks, I will NOT be watching. But I will be checking in with the Clinic for some reaction--and some much-needed laughs. So keep 'em coming.

me too. +1

 

[purcell]

Apologized to Rick Reilly of ESPN, by email .....


http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/8852974/lance-armstrong-history-lying


Edit: sorry - see it is already posted.

 

[Benotti69]

But that was Armstrong...the ability to talk you into thinking he was right & honest...

basically a very intelligent Conman..

Nah, loads of people never swallowed the BS that after cancer his body changed, his heart was bigger than normal, higher cadence etc.

Reilly is upset that he went to Oprah.

Bet Jenkins is upset too, but she is hoping to get the next book, 'it's about the dope, me'.

 

[AussieEdge]

OMG, that interview with Sally Jenkins is just nauseating. I have just about had it. And she calls herself a journalist? This bit here really did it for me: "For better or worse, our greatest cancer fighter happens to be a guy who also took some chances with his health. And that’s an interesting fact." Greatest cancer fighter??? WTF! I've been mostly lurking on these threads since the Landis story broke 2 years ago. I'm a cancer "survivor." When my sister was diagnosed, feeling helpless, I suggested she check out Livestrong to see if there were any support resources, etc. She reported back to me that it was totally useless. I later discovered that to be true in my own case--though by then, I was already pretty much wise to this very un-funny clown. And now I am completely appalled at all the hype this "interview" publicity stunt is getting, and the mainstream media are complicit--especially CBS News, home to Gale King, Oprah's best buddy. Why is her "reporting" on this story not a conflict of interest? I'm afraid this circus will be the first step down Redemption Road for Lance--and a return to some sort of "credibility" for Oprah. Well, folks, I will NOT be watching. But I will be checking in with the Clinic for some reaction--and some much-needed laughs. So keep 'em coming. Thanks, Susan

Thank you for your story

I said before I won't watch either, this is one of the main reasons why I want the myth to be officially broken...authorities it's time to get going...

 

[DirtyWorks]

just sent him an email.

he seems to be astonished that Armstrong lied to him. did it ever cross his mind to do any work and research?

Not his job to do that kind of research. The writer gets to be the victim thus preserving some fundamental perception about his credibility. That is by design.

Dissent, even a little, is not welcome.

 

[AussieEdge]

Nah, loads of people never swallowed the BS that after cancer his body changed, his heart was bigger than normal, higher cadence etc.

Reilly is upset that he went to Oprah.

Bet Jenkins is upset too, but she is hoping to get the next book, 'it's about the dope, me'.

How many of those spoke directly to him though...

 

[131313]

Matt Smith, Big Ups!

While I give a small amount of credit to the journalists who are at least admitting their stupidity and some cases their complicity, for the most part they're a bunch of spineless hacks. It's easy to attack Armstrong now with the full weight of the "Me Too" bandwagon behind them. Why don't they save their breath and do some reporting on what's going on right now? Somehow, I imagine they'll just buy into whatever is being spoon-fed them by the next liar. These people are not journalists, they're puppets.

There were some--a tiny minority, who did real journalism. Selena Roberts and Kimmage ended up getting fired over it. Meanwhile, I find it hilarious that the "breaking news" is the involvement of Weisel and USAC. So, it's probably a good time to give a shout out to Matt Smith, one of the few actual journalists to take on the big lie: http://www.sfweekly.com/2005-09-07/news/tour-de-farce/full/

This was written 7 years ago, for cripesakes, all while the current crew writing scathing pieces about Armstrong had their noises firmly buried in his chamois.

 

[reginagold]

While I give a small amount of credit to the journalists who are at least admitting their stupidity and some cases their complicity, for the most part they're a bunch of spineless hacks. It's easy to attack Armstrong now with the full weight of the "Me Too" bandwagon behind them. Why don't they save their breath and do some reporting on what's going on right now? Somehow, I imagine they'll just buy into whatever is being spoon-fed them by the next liar. These people are not journalists, they're puppets.

There were some--a tiny minority, who did real journalism. Selena Roberts and Kimmage ended up getting fired over it. Meanwhile, I find it hilarious that the "breaking news" is the involvement of Weisel and USAC. So, it's probably a good time to give a shout out to Matt Smith, one of the few actual journalists to take on the big lie: http://www.sfweekly.com/2005-09-07/news/tour-de-farce/full/

This was written 7 years ago, for cripesakes, all while the current crew writing scathing pieces about Armstrong had their noises firmly buried in his chamois.

+1000 Nice work by Matt Smith showing the conflicts.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Nah, loads of people never swallowed the BS that after cancer his body changed, his heart was bigger than normal, higher cadence etc.

Reilly is upset that he went to Oprah.

Bet Jenkins is upset too, but she is hoping to get the next book, 'it's about the dope, me'.

The "clinic 12" knew for long, many since 1999, some before that. Me since Sestriere 1999.
It just shows how bad those journos really are. Same with the NFL journos. And of course business, politics, whatever journos. For every Walsh there are thousand idiots with no work ethic but collecting big checks from their media companies for blabla...
I always checked the clinic first since i joined in 2009, before going somewhere else. And the clinic was always ahead.

 

[Parker]

There were some--a tiny minority, who did real journalism. Selena Roberts and Kimmage ended up getting fired over it.

Can people stop with the idea that Paul Kimmage lost his job at the Sunday Times due to attacking Armstrong. The same paper employs David Walsh as it's Chief Sports Writer despite his Armstrong reporting costing them nearly £1m.

 

[D-Queued]

The "clinic 12" knew for long, many since 1999, some before that. Me since Sestriere 1999.
It just shows how bad those journos really are. Same with the NFL journos. And of course business, politics, whatever journos. For every Walsh there are thousand idiots with no work ethic but collecting big checks from their media companies for blabla...
I always checked the clinic first since i joined in 2009, before going somewhere else. And the clinic was always ahead.

Ever since the '93 Thrift Drug / $1m Triple Crown.*

Obviously rigged. And, it was.

Dave.

*and with some concern when he raced with Subaru/Montgomery in 91/92

 

[131313]

Can people stop with the idea that Paul Kimmage lost his job at the Sunday Times due to attacking Armstrong. The same paper employs David Walsh as it's Chief Sports Writer despite his Armstrong reporting costing them nearly £1m.

Yep, and Selena Roberts getting fired had nothing to do with Lance, either...

Sorry, I know the length to which Armstrong goes to silence those who speak against him. The fact that they kept Walsh on the payroll proves nothing.

 

[Parker]

Yep, and Selena Roberts getting fired had nothing to do with Lance, either...

Sorry, I know the length to which Armstrong goes to silence those who speak against him. The fact that they kept Walsh on the payroll proves nothing.

Selena Roberts I know nothing about - maybe you're right about that.

But why would the ST get rid of Kimmage in 2011 after Landis and Hamilton's revelations when they had backed him for a decade? And backed Walsh for that time (to the tune of £1m) and still back him - even promoting him?

200 people got laid off from the Times group at the same time - it's just the way it is. Kimmage wasn't good enough to keep.

 

[thehog]

The American ritual of celebrity confession and redemption is an exercise in having your cake and eating it too. You get to commit the career-ending crime – to fabricate the memoir, to have the affair with the intern – without actually having to end your career. But Lance Armstrong's much-hyped encounter with Oprah Winfrey, the first part of which aired on Thursday night, was something even more cynical and calculating: an attempt to confess without confessing. It was an effort to meet the minimum standards required for a celebrity confession while avoiding further legal liabilities, and leaving Armstrong's weapons-grade sanctimony intact. He wanted to have his cake and eat it too, but also not to eat it, and in any case, everyone was eating cakes, and it depends what you mean by "cake", and…

This made for compelling television, but not for any of the reasons Armstrong or his handlers might have wanted. Bursting into tears during a conversation with Oprah may be corny, but appearing to be almost totally without emotion, as Armstrong did, is far worse. It draws the audience's attention to the fundamental falsity of the whole operation. You're supposed to leave the viewer feeling moved, and perhaps a little morally superior - not soiled for having tuned in at all.

He admitted to doping, of course, and did so within the opening seconds of the show, under Winfrey's calmly precise questioning. (Because of her history of giving away free cars, and sometimes bestowing too much credibility on dubious guests, it's often overlooked how good an interviewer Oprah can be when she chooses.) But almost the whole of the rest of his 90-minute performance consisted of lawyerly quibbling. Had he pressured teammates to take performance-enhancing drugs? "I don't want to split hairs here," Armstrong replied, before going on to explain that he hadn't pressured them, but had allowed a situation to exist in which they'd felt pressured. At one point, he claimed, he'd even looked up the word "cheating" in a dictionary, and concluded, astonishingly enough, that it didn't apply to him.

http://m.guardiannews.com/sport/2013/jan/18/lance-armstrong-oprah-winfrey-interview

 

[broken chain]

Hats off to all of you on this forum.
You had this POS pegged to a tee.
After watching this quacks interview with Oprah,I would have to say he is desperately in need of intense Cognitive therapy in a psychiatric facility.
He has some serious,serious issues.
I wonder if all the doping somehow affected his thought process from a clinical standpoint.
His apology was was about as genuine as Tiger Woods. He shows no remorse(his attempts to show some were pathetic) and seems to be acting solely on the advice and input of his advisors and attorneys.
He is textbook narcissist,sociopath,has no clue whats right,wrong or moral.

 

[blackcat]

Both prolly have wilt chamberlin beat too

 

[Steel4Ever]

Some sleazy tabloid should dig up Liestrong's birth father for an interview.

Perhaps Papa Gunderson saw the writing on the wall 41 years ago and decided to jump ship while the gettin' was still good.

 

[xrayvision]

Apologized to Rick Reilly of ESPN, by email .....


http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/8852974/lance-armstrong-history-lying


Edit: sorry - see it is already posted.

And his live comments.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8855741