Excerpt from the rules: In all competitions, obstruction is not allowed. This behaviour is defined as deliberately impeding, blocking charging or pushing any competitor with any part of the body or ski equipmentpython said:
kingjr said:
sundby was in the top 2-3 almost from the start of the skiing leg and certainly a lot more than cologna, hellner and vyleg...while we all can agree that skiing is not cycling, we still know that being in front for so long requires more energy...he still managed to hang on to the hellner-then-cologna final acceleration. my statement is simply an opinion, that if sundby was hiding more, he'd be fresher for a final sprint.Kokoso said:
the commission already agreed that martin broke rules. that he had obstructed someone's finish. their decision was based on trusting sundby's statement that he would never violate an olympic spirit and that he was so tired that his vision was blirred.kingjr said:
You choosed unfortunate comparison, because of Sundby didn't block Vyleg or if rules were followed strictly, he woudn't by third now. So that's the same as is with Legkov. And I don't know, but looked to me that Sundby wasn't quite abble to catch Cologna and Hellner acceleration there was little gap which probably got smaller downhill. While I can agree that he'd be fresher if he was hiding more, I can't agree that he was strongest. Those are two different things. We just can't know what would happen if things were different. Cologna was strongest and that's it.python said:
Kokoso said:
If you see the images from above, you clearly see that Sundby would have won regardless. He's about 1,5 meters in front, not right next to him as this picture seems to indicate.python said:lets take a look at the visual facts re. what happened at the finish...
sundby entered the same delineated (marked) finishing lane as cologna (#21). in the image, it is the 2nd lane from the left. then, as he and vyleg continued sprinting towards the finish, martin simply drifted over to vyleg lane until he contacted and blocked vyleg's right ski with his left (in the red circle) while finishing with his right ski.
vyleg claimed he was prevented from executing a right foot telemark by sundby's obvious blocking.
sundby said he was too tired to see what he was doing.
the jury said, you are a bad boy martin, here's a slap, but keep the goodies and don't do it again. sure, this makes sense in the olympics
even if he was ahead, he violated the rules by swinging in the lane he should not be in and blocking his completion inside a finishing lane. the picture i posted shows a contact. vialbe insists there was a contact. i doubt they would be so livid if the supporting evidence, besides the public videos, did not exists. i recall several instances from a recent race when a skier violating the same rule about staying in a finishing lane was penalized by a time handicap.maltiv said:
it may and it may not. the video i watched shows that martin was actively trying to block vyleg at least twice just before the finishing straight. that was within rules. who knows, he may have extended that attitude subconsciously into the zone he claimed his vision was blurred in due to fatigue. i can not get into his head interpreting his thoughts and intentions or the lack of such. neither can you. nor can i say if he lost balance due to missed strokes because more evidence is needed. losing just one stroke would have sent him into a sharper turn or a spin...
Have you even seen that? Why would smaller Vylegzhanin looked so big next to Sundby on the picture, if he was 1,5 metre behind him?maltiv said:
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