O Gran Camiño 2024, Spain, February 22-25

[scribers]

I quoted you on it. Seems like you have a hard time accepting Vingegaard is the best stage racer. One would say you're very sensitive to his results. I think you will have a tough year

He needs to win a little more and then I’ll accept it a little more factually. He is really good. Great? Yes. All time great? Lol

 

[Cookster15]

Vingegaard won at the alpe d'huez in 2017.

Can you post a link? As for Scribers comment that Vingegaard came out of nowhere, IMO he is right. I just checked pre 2021 TdF odds. Vingegaard wasn't even listed anywhere, likely as he was only Roglic's mountain domestique until Roglic crashed on stage 3.

This link is an example what I found (dated June 2021). Other sites with odds don't list Vingo either.

Tour de France 2021 odds, predictions: Proven cycling expert locks in surprising picks, best bets

SportsLine's Gene Menez correctly predicted the winners of the yellow, green and white jerseys in the 2019 Tour de France

www.cbssports.com

 

[scribers]

Sometimes guys bloom at different times. Look at tratnik. I can accept Vingo turned a sharp corner. But it’s worth discussing

 

[kn0s]

Sometimes guys bloom at different times. Look at tratnik. I can accept Vingo turned a sharp corner. But it’s worth discussing

Jonas started out a little slower than Pogi and had confidence problems at the start of his career. He did show a very high climbing level on the Angliru in 2020, that is why he was brought as a domestic to the tour in 21. That he already was at the level of a tour podium that year was surprising, but that he was a major talent was no secret.

You are posting like you are "clinic" fishing, but I might be reading too much in to it. If you are then go there.

Edit: btw he did beat pogi in the itzulia in 21, so that's something.

 

[Froome]

Can you post a link? As for Scribers comment that Vingegaard came out of nowhere, IMO he is right. I just checked pre 2021 TdF odds. Vingegaard wasn't even listed anywhere, likely as he was only Roglic's mountain domestique until Roglic crashed on stage 3.

This link is an example what I found (dated June 2021). Other sites with odds don't list Vingo either.

Tour de France 2021 odds, predictions: Proven cycling expert locks in surprising picks, best bets

SportsLine's Gene Menez correctly predicted the winners of the yellow, green and white jerseys in the 2019 Tour de France

www.cbssports.com

Alpe d'huez 2017 is no argument, i was talking in a less "serious way", but he really won an ITT to the alpe d' huez with 17 years, i think it was a race of amateurs.

Correction: it was in 2015.

He started to show some results with 23 years, it wasn't that later. Some riders appear more later than others due to specific factors, but the engine was there for sure.

 

[The Clogger]

He needs to win a little more and then I’ll accept it a little more factually. He is really good. Great? Yes. All time great? Lol

It's more your need to belittle him I'm curious about. It's not just you, but many users on here are always busy pointing out how Vingegaard came out of nowhere, how he doesn't ride onedayraces, how he is only winning in July, how he is a boring rider, how he is a wheelsucker etc. And every time he disproves you guys you just find something new. I just don't buy it and to me your agenda is obvious. You can't handle he is winning and you guys are having a hard time hiding it in your comments

 

[Lequack]

So Vinge won all 3 non cancelled stages in 2023, and now again 3 stages in 2024. He only let Tarling win the ITT because it didn't count.

 

[scribers]

It's more your need to belittle him I'm curious about. It's not just you, but many users on here are always busy pointing out how Vingegaard came out of nowhere, how he doesn't ride onedayraces, how he is only winning in July, how he is a boring rider, how he is a wheelsucker etc. And every time he disproves you guys you just find something new. I just don't buy it and to me your agenda is obvious. You can't handle he is winning and you guys are having a hard time hiding it in your comments

All of those are true things except for the wheel sucking part and the part about people not handling the winning. I mean you’d have to be dumb not to sit on wheels until you can gain in the race. And he’s won some stuff.

 

[scribers]

Alpe d'huez 2017 is no argument, i wasn't talking in a less "serious way", but he really won an ITT to the alpe d' huez with 17 years, i think it was a race of amateurs.

Correction: it was in 2015.

He started to show some results with 23 years, it wasn't that later. Some riders appear more later than others due to specific factors, but the engine was there for sure.

All this does is disprove the idea plugge plucked Vingo out of a fish factory. I mean that is a nice story. But not exactly a needle in the haystack situation

 

[Tim Cahill]

Just looking back on his results, I wonder what went wrong in the Dauphine 2021, Vingegaard was getting spitroasted by Padun on Joux Plane, he couldn't even beat Konrad, a few weeks later he's one of the best climbers of all time.

Maybe they had a hypnotherapist at the pre-tour altitude camp, you know to help with his confidence.

 

[DNP-Old]

All this does is disprove the idea plugge plucked Vingo out of a fish factory. I mean that is a nice story. But not exactly a needle in the haystack situation

Impeccable scouting by Jumbo, though. They wanted to sign Julius Johansen, who is on the cusp of permanently getting the boot from the pro peloton, but ColoQuick, baffled by Jumbo's interest, recommended they should take a look at this guy named Vingegaard instead.

 

[Froome]

All of those are true things except for the wheel sucking part and the part about people not handling the winning. I mean you’d have to be dumb not to sit on wheels until you can gain in the race. And he’s won some stuff.

Well, it's february and he won a race.

 

[scribers]

He did and put a thumping on Bernal and co

 

[Froome]

He did and put a thumping on Bernal and co

Well, he also won in february, april, june, july and september in 2023.

 

[Lequack]

And Bernal won a Tour, so he is already in a Tour winning form.

 

[ciranda]

Just looking back on his results, I wonder what went wrong in the Dauphine 2021, Vingegaard was getting spitroasted by Padun on Joux Plane, he couldn't even beat Konrad, a few weeks later he's one of the best climbers of all time.

Maybe they had a hypnotherapist at the pre-tour altitude camp, you know to help with his confidence.

Or maybe and in fact this is the reason, he had an injury in that race.

 

[Netserk]

Or maybe and in fact this is the reason, he had an injury in that race.

Sounds more like it was before the race: https://www.teamvismaleaseabike.com...-seventh-in-time-trial-criterium-du-dauphine/

Vingegaard was surprised by his good time trial. He has just recovered from an injury to his achilles tendon. “I am very happy with my performance. I really didn’t expect to achieve this already after my injury. This year, I have done several good time trials, so I know I am able to do it. I am very happy that my shape is going crescendo and I expect that I can start the Tour de France in good shape.”

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Sounds more like it was before the race: https://www.teamvismaleaseabike.com...-seventh-in-time-trial-criterium-du-dauphine/

And that injury allegedly kept hampering him until last season.

 

[scribers]

Well, he also won in february, april, june, july and september in 2023.

What did he win in September?

 

[Froome]

What did he win in September?

Two stages of the Vuelta.

 

[scribers]

Injured in June. Sick in September.

Underscores how difficult it is to always be on in July

 

[sam6]

So O Gran Camino can't be pro series because there are already Burgos, Valencia, and Andalucia. Seems kinda dumb as it's quite a nice little race. Maybe they can move Burgos up to world tour as it's basically the biggest warm-up race for a Vuelta

 

[Froome]

So O Gran Camino can't be pro series because there are already Burgos, Valencia, and Andalucia. Seems kinda dumb as it's quite a nice little race. Maybe they can move Burgos up to world tour as it's basically the biggest warm-up race for a Vuelta

It's a shame, Galicia is a beautiful region.

 

[RedheadDane]

So O Gran Camino can't be pro series because there are already Burgos, Valencia, and Andalucia. Seems kinda dumb as it's quite a nice little race. Maybe they can move Burgos up to world tour as it's basically the biggest warm-up race for a Vuelta

Is there a rule limiting how many ProSeries (stage) races a country can have?

 

[Samu Cuenca]

If it has decent field like this year it doesn't really matter whether it's .1 or .Pro. I assume the UCI demands a higher fee for a .Pro race, so they probably won't mind it stepping up.