Official Alberto Contador hearing thread

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Nilsson said:
If the rumors (apparently coming from a Dutch journalist) are true, it would be a very strange decision. It would be made-up and not comply with any rules or case-law. It should be all or nothing.

A good mean value would probably seem appropriate to some, but in my opinion it would be the only outcome which is undesirable and by definition incorrect...

Agree - in fact there is no way a 6 month sanction could apply, it would have to amount to not less than half the sanction - iow, 1 year.

Even for that to happen, CAS would have to accept that AC ate contaminated meat but was not diligent enough in finding out that his EU meat had no clenbuterol or did not keep some just in case.
That would mean that every athlete in the testing pool would have to assess or keep everything they consume, regardless of the reputation of their own testing results.
 
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Nilsson said:
It looks like hearsay to me, without an actual source. According to the guy that published the rumor it's Danny Nelissen who heard it from Raymond Kerckhoffs. We better wait for the actual verdict, if you ask me...

Apparently the journo is in Qatar at the moment, and he has been there for a few days now, so unless the judges were in Qatar, I can't see how he could've overheard them.
 

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LaFlorecita said:
Apparently the journo is in Qatar at the moment, and he has been there for a few days now, so unless the judges were in Qatar, I can't see how he could've overheard them.

This is going to be the problem, and it will get worse - if you want to save your nerves I would avoid all blogs, twitter etc as there will be all sorts of rumours and guesses (portrayed as facts) in the hours before the decision.
 
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My guess (totally unsubstantiated): one-year ban starting tomorrow. Contador loses the 2010 TdF but keeps all subsequent results.
 
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Didn't AC say he'd take the case to the Swiss court if they would ban him even for 1 day?
If he's banned, will he be able to appeal it the same day?
 
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Descender said:
My guess (totally unsubstantiated): one-year ban starting tomorrow. Contador loses the 2010 TdF but keeps all subsequent results.

As good as guess as any but it's hard to guess what these bozos will do.

I do have a hard time imagining that he gets nothing though.
 
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Maybe he loses 2010 tour, six month ban as time served between August and Feb 2011......keep most happy!!

Immaterial, I'm with La Florecita anyway, acquitted to rule the Peloton for the next few years. :D
 
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If he indeed does get a 6 or 12 months ban wont that be calculated from the time when the positive was made public in august 2010? Wont they "just" strip him of the results from the 2010 and 6/12 months foward meaning he is free to race tomorrow?
 
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sniper said:
Didn't AC say he'd take the case to the Swiss court if they would ban him even for 1 day?
If he's banned, will he be able to appeal it the same day?

The only appeals allowed are those contesting the procedure of the process. You can't appeal the decision. So he (or his lawyers) would need to find something in the process they didn't like. I's not dotted, t's not crossed, one of the panel not 'sound'?
 
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LaFlorecita said:
Apparently the journo is in Qatar at the moment, and he has been there for a few days now, so unless the judges were in Qatar, I can't see how he could've overheard them.

Ah, that explains it. He's in a different time zone - ahead of us here in Europe, so he's already heard tomorrow's decision ;)
 
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Cimber said:
If he indeed does get a 6 or 12 months ban wont that be calculated from the time when the positive was made public in august 2010? Wont they "just" strip him of the results from the 2010 and 6/12 months foward meaning he is free to race tomorrow?

It will be from the time he last raced eg yesterday
 
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doolols said:
The only appeals allowed are those contesting the procedure of the process. You can't appeal the decision. So he (or his lawyers) would need to find something in the process they didn't like. I's not dotted, t's not crossed, one of the panel not 'sound'?

thanks!....
 
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therealtimshady said:
It will be from the time he last raced eg yesterday

If that is the case he would be stupid to have raced in Argentina and Mallorca cos if not the ban would have started at the end of last years tour. And I dont think he is that stupid, so I reckon it wont be like that. If u are right, however, Bertie deserves a big facepalm for starting those 2 races.
 
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If that is the case he would be stupid to have raced in Argentina and Mallorca cos if not the ban would have started at the end of last years tour. And I dont think he is that stupid, so I reckon it wont be like that. If u are right, however, Bertie deserves a big facepalm for starting those 2 races.

he knows nothing about that subject. only guesses.
 

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He was cleared by RFEC, so he was perfectly free and entitled to race.

However - if AC is sanctioned it will likely be for 2 years - with whatever he served as a suspension taken off. His voluntary suspension was from Aug '10 to Feb 11, so 5 and a bit months.

The only other option is a 1 year sanction, which I explained a couple of pages back is highly unlikely.
It seems like it is all or nothing.
 
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Dr. Maserati said:
He was cleared by RFEC, so he was perfectly free and entitled to race.

However - if AC is sanctioned it will likely be for 2 years - with whatever he served as a suspension taken off. His voluntary suspension was from Aug '10 to Feb 11, so 5 and a bit months.

The only other option is a 1 year sanction, which I explained a couple of pages back is highly unlikely.
It seems like it is all or nothing.

That's right, and I agree with you it should be "all". But, I still say the smart money is on "nothing".
 
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I am curious, when did the UCI provisonally suspend him? Was it in their announcement when the case was unearthed by ARD, or was it some time later?
 

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roundabout said:
I am curious, when did the UCI provisonally suspend him? Was it in their announcement when the case was unearthed by ARD, or was it some time later?
Oficially*, he was suspended by RFEC from when he received notice and accepted the AAF on the A sample - that was 26th August.

He was cleared by RFEC on the 15th February.

*You actually raise a point that I would love to see raised by CAS but probably will not be - a comment on the delay in making the positive public. Officially, the UCI have to inform WADA if there is a AAF.
 
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therealtimshady said:
Yes it is a guess but probably a fairly good one

what a stupid statement!!!

it is a guess.. it means 0. you have 0 basis to say that.

if you use your brain, you will see that he technically "can't" be banned for 4 years (since 2010 tour until the end of your fantasy guess). if it starts today and it is 2 years, than he keeps all results until now. since he was caught at the tour, he can't keep those results (if he is banned).

based on this, we can categorically state that anyone that (without working directly on this case, or anyone that does not work with the law and knows something that we don't) states that ac's ban will start tomorrow is as stupid as it gets. this applies to you.

god... i truly hope that he is cleared. he "is" cycling.
 
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I hope that God save the actual cycling and when I wake up tomorrow, AC is free to ride...

For all that are hopping this.. Good luck! Tomorrow is the DAY... or not?! :D
 
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If that is the case he would be stupid to have raced in Argentina and Mallorca cos if not the ban would have started at the end of last years tour. And I dont think he is that stupid, so I reckon it wont be like that.

That’s my thinking, too. Unless, of course, he was assured before he began racing a few weeks ago that he had been cleared. I really think is possible. But anyway, he must have sat down at some point and considered all the consequences of racing, and known something that assured him that racing now can’t backfire on him.

It seems like it is all or nothing.

Exactly.

That's right, and I agree with you it should be "all". But, I still say the smart money is on "nothing".

Yep. I would bet actual money at this point that he will be cleared, even though I myself would have voted to sanction.

we can categorically state that anyone that (without working directly on this case, or anyone that does not work with the law and knows something that we don't) states that ac's ban will start tomorrow is as stupid as it gets

I think what he meant was that Bert’s ban would continue tomorrow, that it would pick up where it was left off following the RFEC decision. If he is given a two year ban, the remaining eighteen plus months would begin tomorrow. Since tomorrow is almost exactly one year after the RFEC decision, a two year ban would end in August of 2013. Touch and go if he could ride the Vuelta.

But if the CAS decision had not been delayed, he could have received a two year ban and ridden the 2013 Tour. If the CAS hearing itself had not been delayed, he might have even been eligible for the 2013 Giro, in case it mattered to him. This is another reason why I think he will be cleared, the consequences of all these delays are pretty substantial, if he is banned. This is also another reason why I think Bert may know he has been cleared. Think about it. He must have calculated when the CAS decision would have to be announced to allow him to serve the remainder of a two year ban and still be able to ride the Tour in 2013 (around the middle of last December). Don’t you imagine he would get pretty upset watching all of 2013 go down the drain along with 2012 as things dragged on?

Finally, of course, he might be stripped of his 2011 results, in which case he would have served more of his ban than 5 months, and might be able to ride later this year. I think there are many reasons for not making a ban like this, though, including all the shifting of placings in his races last year that would be necessary.

So, Florecita, I think it’s very unlikely you will not see Bert race for two years, regardless of the CAS decision. And c&c will probably be cheering tomorrow, too. Though since he is the forum’s Dr. Pangloss, I don’t expect him to complain if Bert is suspended.
 
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Merckx index said:
Yep. I would bet actual money at this point that he will be cleared, even though I myself would have voted to sanction.

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So would I. Like I said upthread, this is the "dog ate my homework" excuse and CAS bought it. With something so simple all the delays were a red flag that something was up. Unbelievable.

When he gets off, I wonder if there will be as much outrage and sadness on this thread as the other? :rolleyes:
 
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