Official "another interesting piece I found on Alberto Contador" Thread

[Pantani_lives]

Edwin Winkels just said on Dutch television that Contador can't be disqualified for races in 2011, because he was acquitted by the Spanish federation.

 

[D-Queued]

Edwin Winkels just said on Dutch television that Contador can't be disqualified for races in 2011, because he was acquitted by the Spanish federation.

And another idiot is born.

(not you Pantani_lives)

Dave.

 

[Pantani_lives]

Has the UCI ever made a clear statement about what would happen to his results in 2011 if he's found guilty by CAS?

 

[D-Queued]

Has the UCI ever made a clear statement about what would happen to his results in 2011 if he's found guilty by CAS?

Other precedent suggests all palmares will be wiped.

Dave.

 

[ChrisE]

Thanks MI. I don't care to check your math. As usual, nice logic and the reason you are one of the best posters on here.

But, isn't it irrelevant that he could not have obtained the clen levels in his system from beef that passed the standards? That is a statistically flawed claim as you state, but is it? It is "possible" this happened, if blood transfusions are ruled out. Why do his lawyers have to refute this? All of the beef in Spain is not tested, so it is "possible" a cow slipped thru that was full of clen....

You say that is irrelevant, but if WADA/UCI does not refute that by agruing transfusion then what other reason could such a low dose, too low to offer any benefit, be in his system?

If WADA/UCI does not argue blood transfusion, then what else is there? Do you think they will argue this?

Do they have to argue this, since the threashold of clen is zero? I think not...the rule is black and white but of course I said several weeks ago the writing is on the wall with WADA now looking at raising the minimum threashold.

I agree. But he doesn’t look good when he ignores the basic issue.
*snipped for brevity, but good stuff*
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[Dr. Maserati]

Has the UCI ever made a clear statement about what would happen to his results in 2011 if he's found guilty by CAS?

CAS will make that judgement if they find him guilty - the UCI will have to abide by it.

 

[ChrisE]

CAS will make that judgement if they find him guilty - the UCI will have to abide by it.

Really? WADA/UCI is appealing the verdict. What does punishement duration have to do with it? This is a strange ordeal.

If WADA/UCI wins the appeal, then the how can CAS rule on the duration of 2years? "Yeah, AC you are guilty but let's give you 1 year instead of 2 years no racing". WTF?

You've been away for awhile I think. Welcome back. Don't mean to be following you around this evening....

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Really? WADA/UCI is appealing the verdict. What does punishement duration have to do with it? This is a strange ordeal.

If WADA/UCI wins the appeal, then the how can CAS rule on the duration of 2years? "Yeah, AC you are guilty but let's give you 1 year instead of 2 years no racing". WTF?

You've been away for awhile I think. Welcome back. Don't mean to be following you around this evening....

I have no idea what you are trying to say here - but i assume you believe I am wrong. If so then check up on what CAS actually do.

 

[ChrisE]

I have no idea what you are trying to say here - but i assume you believe I am wrong. If so then check up on what CAS actually do.

They appealed because the Spanish fed let him off....they didn't appeal because the Spanish fed gave him 1 year for example.

If WADA/UCI wins the appeal, then why would CAS also rule on the duration of the punishment ie "what AC has to forfeit". Obviously he should have to forfeit 2 years from July 22 2010 or whatever day it was he was AAF.

I don't think you are wrong; I just don't know what is normal and why this would be normal....

 

[Dr. Maserati]

They appealed because the Spanish fed let him off....they didn't appeal because the Spanish fed gave him 1 year for example.

If WADA/UCI wins the appeal, then why would CAS also rule on the duration of the punishment ie "what AC has to forfeit". Obviously he should have to forfeit 2 years from July 22 2010 or whatever day it was he was AAF.

I don't think you are wrong; I just don't know what is normal and why this would be normal....

The length of any sanction is dependent on what way CAS rule.
The could let Contador off if he shows "no fault of negligence"
He could be given 1 year if he shows "no significant fault of negligence" or he could get the full 2 years.

 

[ChrisE]

The length of any sanction is dependent on what way CAS rule.
The could let Contador off if he shows "no fault of negligence"
He could be given 1 year if he shows "no significant fault of negligence" or he could get the full 2 years.

Got it. Thanks.

 

[python]

amazing how the basic stuff of the case that has been the discussed substance for almost a year and put to rest in a dozen of threads and hundreds of posts has made a brand new appearance within the same circle.

 

[D-Queued]

amazing how the basic stuff of the case that has been the discussed substance for almost a year and put to rest in a dozen of threads and hundreds of posts has made a brand new appearance within the same circle.

This demonstrates the power of astroturfing. Dr. M's summary was excellent, and helpful after all of the noise.

Dave.

 

[python]

This demonstrates the power of astroturfing. Dr. M's summary was excellent, and helpful after all of the noise.

Dave.

or it demonstrates some were asking the questions they knew the answers to

 

[ChrisE]

Some people think I am less ignorant than I actually am. I guess that is a compliment.

 

[rata de sentina]

Some people think I am less ignorant than I actually am. I guess that is a compliment.

Yeah, your choices are being classified as deliberately annoying or ignorant so I'm not so sure about that compliment.

 

[ChrisE]

Yeah, your choices are being classified as deliberately annoying or ignorant so I'm not so sure about that compliment.

Thank you.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Other precedent suggests all palmares will be wiped.

Dave.

He said that it is in the official appeal papers of the UCI.
Edwin Winkels is not an idiot, BTW. He has been following this case closely.

 

[sniper]

a great performance by Contador's doctor, says ZDF's live commentator.

 

[eztarget]

If Landis was born in Europe would he still have his 2006 title?

The plain fact is that if AC spends ANY time on suspension for something that happened DURING the 2010 Tour De France then his title should go to Andy Schleck the 2nd place finisher just like Landis's went to Óscar Pereiro.

But of course AC is loved in Europe and this will never happen. I guess there is not and English translation for the word impartial.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

If Landis was born in Europe would he still have his 2006 title?

The plain fact is that if AC spends ANY time on suspension for something that happened DURING the 2010 Tour De France then his title should go to Andy Schleck the 2nd place finisher just like Landis's went to Óscar Pereiro.

But of course AC is loved in Europe and this will never happen. I guess there is not and English translation for the word impartial.

The plain fact is if AC is found guilty in any way the results from the event that the positive was recorded are taken away - so yes Andy would be crowned winner of the 2010 Tour.

 

[Paco_P]

If Landis was born in Europe would he still have his 2006 title?

The plain fact is that if AC spends ANY time on suspension for something that happened DURING the 2010 Tour De France then his title should go to Andy Schleck the 2nd place finisher just like Landis's went to Óscar Pereiro.

But of course AC is loved in Europe and this will never happen. I guess there is not and English translation for the word impartial.

It seems appropriate to recall a saying, popular in Spain, though probably due to Napoleon, or some other repulsed invader, that "Europe begins at the Pyrenees".

 

[gregod]

in sunday's times of london (paper edition) there is an article about how at the world swimming championships in shanghai they are having difficulty finding non-clenbuterol tainted meat. the organizers were forced by the swimming federation to find restaurants and hotels that could guarantee that their meat was not raised on clenbuterol and could only come up with fifteen (in a city the size of shanghai that is an extremely small number). the clear implication is that tainted meat will result in a positive test.

FWIW

 

[Cloxxki]

The Olympic 50/100m swimming champ blames his positive on tainted meat, and gets to take Worlds gold. A Dutch female top swimmer has responded that swimmers KNOW they are to pay minute attention of what they eat, keep their whereabouts up-to-date, etc. And when someone does it wrong , he can just swim away unhurt (even after CAS appeal), which makes no sense to her. And indeed, why bother to check what you eat anyway? contador knew, and gets away. Now this Cielo character.
So as long as you can find a cow to grow better on your dope, you're pretty much OK. That will leave very few PEDs on the nogo list, cows love our PEDs.

 

[Berzin]

This is all much ado about nothing, and the fact that a draconian interpretation of these anti-doping rules for something as minuscule as a trillionth of a trace of clen in someone's system is more for the lawyers to have a payday with than to serve true justice.

It's been about a year since the HUMO allegations were made by an unknown "source" who was supposedly close to the Astana team, and where did that go?

Nowhere.

If we were talking about EPO, Testosterone, HgH or a blood transfusion, then maybe I would understand the concern.

Contador will walk, and he should. To suspend him for even a year would be absolutely ridiculous.