Official "another interesting piece I found on Alberto Contador" Thread

[Willy_Voet]

I was recently working on a project that dealt with contaminated samples and blood tests.

Has anyone done the calculations to see if the clen contamination story is possible based on a typical livestock dose?

Sorry if it was posted upthread or in one of the many other Contador/clenbuterol threads, but I didn't recall seeing it.

 

[gregod]

I was recently working on a project that dealt with contaminated samples and blood tests.

Has anyone done the calculations to see if the clen contamination story is possible based on a typical livestock dose?

Sorry if it was posted upthread or in one of the many other Contador/clenbuterol threads, but I didn't recall seeing it.

i'm looking for it, but i do remember reading a letter in one of the journals we get that a traceable amount of several substances was theoretically possible. if i find it i will post the link or journal name.

by the way, many years ago i did some work for a public drug rehabilitation clinic that was in a residential neighborhood near my graduate school. the inmates who had earned the right to venture into the neighborhood (escorted) were warned not to eat poppy seed bagels as it would show up positive for heroin. i pointed out to the staff that the poppy seeds used for food were not the same the kind used to make morphine (EDIT: they are the same!), but they were adamant that it would show up positive.

 

[CMDiva]

fwiw, I was tested after an on-the-job injury at work years back, and the lady doing the testing told me the same thing, but apparently it has to be a fairly large amount of poppy seeds.

 

[Duartista]

Contador's hearing delayed until November:

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=41468

 

[Anonymous]

Guess he can ride the vuelta if his knees better then

 

[Ferminal]

Autumn Classics please...

 

[LaFleur]

Lets say that it will be postponed to like July next year and he will get a 2 year suspension in there, could he be able to race? I mean maybe they take the 2 years out of the time he raced right now and only take off his titles and let him race? I know it's crazy, but certainly possible?

 

[ImmaculateKadence]

Contador's hearing delayed until November:

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=41468

Whate the crap?

 

[skippythepinhead]

fwiw, I was tested after an on-the-job injury at work years back, and the lady doing the testing told me the same thing, but apparently it has to be a fairly large amount of poppy seeds.

Mythbusters did it.

 

[Cobblestones]

Contador's hearing delayed until November:

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=41468

He'll get a 4 month ban in November without losing any previous results (including the Tour). You heard it here first.

 

[roundabout]

He'll get a 4 month ban in November without losing any previous results (including the Tour). You heard it here first.

Are there any provisions for a ban of this length?

 

[GreasyMonkey]

Whate the crap?

At the request of WADA, not Contadar's lawyers.... Just so that we know where the "blame" lies this time.....

 

[ImmaculateKadence]

He'll get a 4 month ban in November without losing any previous results (including the Tour). You heard it here first.

That would pretty much be the offseason and races he doesn't normally compete in anyway.

 

[ImmaculateKadence]

He'll get a 4 month ban in November without losing any previous results (including the Tour). You heard it here first.

That would pretty much be the offseason and races he doesn't normally compete in anyway.

At the request of WADA, not Contadar's lawyers.... Just so that we know where the "blame" lies this time.....

It's getting absurd. I admit my feelings towards him changed in this Tour. Actually found myself quitely hoping he would win on Alpe d'Huez, but I can't help but feel he's dirty. Regardless, it's bad for the sport that they can't get this resolved. The constant delays are becoming a running joke.

 

[Publicus]

That would pretty much be the offseason and races he doesn't normally compete in anyway.



It's getting absurd. I admit my feelings towards him changed in this Tour. Actually found myself quitely hoping he would win on Alpe d'Huez, but I can't help but feel he's dirty. Regardless, it's bad for the sport that they can't get this resolved. The constant delays are becoming a running joke.

Say what? I think folks on these forums need to understand that most judicial matters take time; ESPECIALLY when both sides are represented by competent counsel and have the funds to prosecute/defend the matter. Your feelings toward AC shouldn't change simply because WADA asked for more time to respond to his response. It demonstrates that the process is working and, I think, that this isn't as slam dunk of a case as the majority of folks in this forum suggest.

 

[Damiano Machiavelli]

Contador should race Lombardy.

 

[ImmaculateKadence]

Say what? I think folks on these forums need to understand that most judicial matters take time; ESPECIALLY when both sides are represented by competent counsel and have the funds to prosecute/defend the matter. Your feelings toward AC shouldn't change simply because WADA asked for more time to respond to his response. It demonstrates that the process is working and, I think, that this isn't as slam dunk of a case as folks in this forum want to pretend.

I think you're misunderstanding me. I know judicial matters take time, but the constant delays in such a public case only reflect badly on the sport and its governing bodies. I can't help but think somebody somewhere is dragging their feet. That's why it's a bit irritating.

To clarify, my feelings toward AC haven't changed because of that. You know, perhaps more than most, I have never been a fan of his, but this year I caught myself cheering him up the Alpe. He even appeared more gracious in defeat, and that backfist to the fan in surgical garb was priceless. I still think he was (or is) dirty, but he earned my respect this year. I know it was the WADA requesting the new calendar, not him or his counsel.

 

[sniper]

Say what? I think folks on these forums need to understand that most judicial matters take time; ESPECIALLY when both sides are represented by competent counsel and have the funds to prosecute/defend the matter. Your feelings toward AC shouldn't change simply because WADA asked for more time to respond to his response. It demonstrates that the process is working and, I think, that this isn't as slam dunk of a case as the majority of folks in this forum suggest.

Tons of others have been, or will be, banned for similar offenses.
AC should serve his ban like others. Doping is when you get caught. AC got caught, allright.
He has the funds to stretch this whole circus into the future. Other racers don't. You think that's fine? It's sad as hell, regardless of whether it's legally justified.

 

[Merckx index]

Say what? I think folks on these forums need to understand that most judicial matters take time; ESPECIALLY when both sides are represented by competent counsel and have the funds to prosecute/defend the matter. Your feelings toward AC shouldn't change simply because WADA asked for more time to respond to his response. It demonstrates that the process is working and, I think, that this isn't as slam dunk of a case as the majority of folks in this forum suggest.

Tyler's case, which involved a brand new test, was settled in about 8 months. Floyd's case, the science of which was far more complex than that for Bert, was settled in September of the year following his TDF win. Most importantly, neither of them was allowed to ride while it was going on.

The science in Bert's case is unusually simple. Bert has not challenged the finding of CB in his body nor its amount, nor the conclusion that it could not result from meat that passed the inspection standard in Spain. His entire case revolves around the likelihood that the meat he ate could be contaminated above the standard. Leaving aside the enormous evidence against that possibility, it does not take months to develop and defend a position on that question. Nor does it take months and months to address the possibility of transfusion, even setting aside the point that WADA/UCI are not supposed to have to prove that.

If WADA/UCI want more time, I have to believe that is because they expect their decision will have major remifications for how athletes in the future who test positive for CB are treated. I appreciate the delicacy of the situation. They don't want a decision that will open the door to a lot of headaches in resolving future positives. But given the importance of not leaving the sport's biggest star in limbo, I'm racking my brains to come up with a reason why they couldn't settle this sooner. Maybe python or someone else with more inside information will tell us.

Edit: Sorry, I was referring to the original decisions for Tyler and Floyd, not the appeals, which of course took longer. My bad, but I still think there was better reason for delays in those cases. Reading the Spanish report, I'm guessing WADA wants more time for the DEHP test, maybe they have more data that will solidify their position. If so, it will be very interesting, but again, they really shouldn't have to prove transfusion.

 

[Aleajactaest]

Tyler's case, which involved a brand new test, was settled in about 8 months. Floyd's case, the science of which was far more complex than that for Bert, was settled in September of the year following his TDF win. Most importantly, neither of them was allowed to ride while it was going on.

The science in Bert's case is unusually simple. Bert has not challenged the finding of CB in his body nor its amount, nor the conclusion that it could not result from meat that passed the inspection standard in Spain. His entire case revolves around the likelihood that the meat he ate could be contaminated above the standard. Leaving aside the enormous evidence against that possibility, it does not take months to develop and defend a position on that question. Nor does it take months and months to address the possibility of transfusion, even setting aside the point that WADA/UCI are not supposed to have to prove that.

If WADA/UCI want more time, I have to believe that is because they expect their decision will have major remifications for how athletes in the future who test positive for CB are treated. I appreciate the delicacy of the situation. They don't want a decision that will open the door to a lot of headaches in resolving future positives. But given the importance of not leaving the sport's biggest star in limbo, I'm racking my brains to come up with a reason why they couldn't settle this sooner. Maybe python or someone else with more inside information will tell us.

Re the decision. Easy. Follow the rules, no precedent to muddy the waters.

Re the "biggest" - See Evans, Cadel.

 

[Parrulo]

Re the decision. Easy. Follow the rules, no precedent to muddy the waters.

Re the "biggest" - See Evans, Cadel.

one of the funniest things i have ever had the pleasure to read. thats pure comedy. ty for the laugh

 

[jobiwan]

Re the decision. Easy. Follow the rules, no precedent to muddy the waters.

Re the "biggest" - See Evans, Cadel.

I really hope you're joking!!

 

[thirteen]

one of the funniest things i have ever had the pleasure to read. thats pure comedy. ty for the laugh

is it still july?

 

[Parrulo]

I really hope you're joking!!

i don't think he is

is it still july?

ya i guess so lol

 

[jilbiker]

Tons of others have been, or will be, banned for similar offenses.
AC should serve his ban like others. Doping is when you get caught. AC got caught, allright.
He has the funds to stretch this whole circus into the future. Other racers don't. You think that's fine? It's sad as hell, regardless of whether it's legally justified.

The recent case of Mexican players positive for clen was a classic exposure of such an absurd rule by Wada. They did not contest the Mexicans clearing the players as the whole soccer world which is the strongest sports body cried out at the injustice. No minimum levels on clen is not acceptable when it is being used in the food we eat to maximize profits. I am now convinced that Bertie is innocent of this one (notice i said this one). After the Mexican players anything short of complete Bertie clearance would be wrong. Wada now has an egg in the face, they have to set a minimum level for clen quickly but it may mean revisting several cases and backtracking on cases like Bertie. But the pride thing may get in the way....well see.