Official lance armstrong thread, part 2 (from september 2012)

[Dear Wiggo]

I do not share this obsession with Armstrong. I haven't said much about it, except questioning yet another thread opened some weeks back.

If any of the "clean" people I devote my energy to ever get sprung, I do not think I would dwell on it for long, but we'll have to wait and see the veracity of this.

Personally, kicking someone when they are already down, to me, feels wrong.

 

[Turner29]

I do not share this obsession with Armstrong. I haven't said much about it, except questioning yet another thread opened some weeks back.

If any of the "clean" people I devote my energy to ever get sprung, I do not think I would dwell on it for long, but we'll have to wait and see the veracity of this.

Personally, kicking someone when they are already down, to me, feels wrong.

1) Lance Armstrong, the biggest fraud in sporting history, was partially brought down by a myriad of individuals, some members of this forum, whose primary communications channel was the internet. They, or we, are not "obsessed" with Armstrong. We simply love cycling and know that cycling could not be become a clean sport until its most egregious cheat was brought to some form of justice.

2) We are not kicking a man when he is down. Lance Armstrong is a cheater, perjurer, and a criminal fraud. He cheated a variety of individuals and organizations out of many, many millions of dollars. His vindictive acts caused emotional, professional and financial harm to many.

Every governing body in cycling agrees with the findings of the USADA, yet Armstrong continues his arrogant defiance. I applaud those with the determination to respond to Armstrong's arrogance with the truth until Lance Armstrong is no longer newsworthy; however long that takes.

 

[Zweistein]

I do not share this obsession with Armstrong. I haven't said much about it, except questioning yet another thread opened some weeks back.

If any of the "clean" people I devote my energy to ever get sprung, I do not think I would dwell on it for long, but we'll have to wait and see the veracity of this.

Personally, kicking someone when they are already down, to me, feels wrong.

Kicking someone when he is down? He has and is kicking people still.

 

[Turner29]

Kicking someone when he is down? He has and is kicking people still.

If I could hold him down in prison while he gets you know what, I would.

On second thought, given that Armstrong is a psychopath, he would enjoy that.

 

[Velodude]

Armstrong is not a "corporate psychopath." He is a psychopath. Why Chris Golis makes the distinction is beyond me, especially given the traits he lists are straight from Robert Hare. In fact, by including the word "corporate," it undermines the level of Armstrong's dysfunction.

There is a website where a person of some expertise sleuths statements made by prominent sports persons, politicians, criminals etc. to expose the use of particular substitute words and phrases that disclose they are publicly tampering with the truth.

On Armstrong

Deception Depth and Lance Armstrong

Extract

Armstrong paid for UCI's new Sysmex blood testing machine which would catch cheaters. This reminds me of Elvis Presley at the White House, stoned out of his mind, receiving a special anti drug badge from President Nixon.

Other analyses of Armstrong on the website:

Lance Armstrong Under Oath

Transcripts: The World According to Lance Armstrong

Lance Armstrong: Sociopathic Liar?

Armstrong Steps Down From Foundation

 

[Scott SoCal]

The pic of Lance on the couch says it all.

It's Sunday, he should be age-grouping some sprint tri somewhere bringing awareness to people who don't know what cancer is yet.

Instead, he's imitating a couch potato in his trophy room all by himself.

 

[Turner29]

There is a website where a person of some expertise sleuths statements made by prominent sports persons, politicians, criminals etc. to expose the use of particular substitute words and phrases that disclose they are publicly tampering with the truth.

On Armstrong

Deception Depth and Lance Armstrong

Extract


Other analyses of Armstrong on the website:

Lance Armstrong Under Oath

Transcripts: The World According to Lance Armstrong

Lance Armstrong: Sociopathic Liar?

Armstrong Steps Down From Foundation

"I have never failed in hundreds of drug tests" is like a bank robber saying that he made legal withdrawals hundreds of times without stealing. The number of ethical withdrawals does not negate even a single theft."

Have you seen the American TV show Moonshiners?

A tag line is "it's not illegal until you get caught."

 

[reginagold]

Armstrong actually steps down from the Foundation.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-11-11/lance-armstrong-cuts-ties-with-livestrong-cancer-charity

 

[DirtyWorks]

The pic of Lance on the couch says it all.

It's Sunday, he should be age-grouping some sprint tri somewhere bringing awareness to people who don't know what cancer is yet.

Instead, he's imitating a couch potato in his trophy room all by himself.

He can't last long like this. There are people to intimidate, frauds to perform, fans to humiliate. It seems like the 'family man' B.S. has passed too.

He's going to screw this up too.

 

[Scott SoCal]

He can't last long like this. There are people to intimidate, frauds to perform, fans to humiliate. It seems like the 'family man' B.S. has passed too.

He's going to screw this up too.

I agree. He's got way too much time on his hands.

He's got no influence, no power, no friends. I'm guessing baby momma II is prolly gonna hit the road soon.

If he polishes his crystal ball real good he'll see a very bad version of Pete Rose. #bleakfuture.

 

[thirteen]

Armstrong actually steps down from the Foundation.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-11-11/lance-armstrong-cuts-ties-with-livestrong-cancer-charity

^ this kind of got lost...

Lance Armstrong severs ties to Livestrong Foundation, leaves board as donors toss yellow bands

 

[Tinman]

^ this kind of got lost...

Lance Armstrong severs ties to Livestrong Foundation, leaves board as donors toss yellow bands

The next question is whether Livestrong will keep him on a "consultant" retainer or similar; can't see the expense account disappearing in a hurry.

 

[sittingbison]

Sorry, I couldn't resist. And its Monday...

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Armstrong actually steps down from the Foundation.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-11-11/lance-armstrong-cuts-ties-with-livestrong-cancer-charity

Stepping down as in..." ...I stepped down 3 flights of stairs head first with the help of my associates..."

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Sorry, I couldn't resist. And its Monday...

Perfect.....yes, Lance is chillin' in his basement because he is not allowed anywhere else in the house anymore. The is a hot plate with a pot of Kraft Dinner just behing the IV drip...

 

[Neworld]

Sorry, I couldn't resist. And its Monday...

SB,

You have a gift, that image pretty much summarizes his fate.

Lance will be found in a gutter somewhere in 5-10 yrs as public humiliation is too painful for a raging narcissist like him.

 

[SpeedWay]

^ this kind of got lost...

Lance Armstrong severs ties to Livestrong Foundation, leaves board as donors toss yellow bands

Because it demonstrates something a narcissist, sociopath, egomaniac, etc. would never do.

 

[Willy_Voet]

Sorry, I couldn't resist. And its Monday...

Good stuff. Just missing some bottles of Michelob Ultra within arm's reach.

 

[Bosco10]

Out of the 7 pictures, who is the guy with the sunglasses on?

 

[veganrob]

Out of the 7 pictures, who is the guy with the sunglasses on?

JV



10 charac

 

[Bosco10]

JV



10 charac

Thanks. For a second I thought it might be Dr. Ferrari, but then I remembered that Lance and the doctor are still on good terms. Hey, maybe Lance should just give his yellow jerseys to Ferrari since he was the real mastermind coach.

 

[thirteen]

excellent interview by Andy Shen: Michael Ashenden on the Armstrong Triangle

Despite USADA’s voluminous Reasoned Decision, the truth regarding the UCI’s alleged cover up of Armstrong’s 2001 Tour de Suisse test results remain elusive. Were the results positive or merely suspicious? Were payments made to obscure them? Did Armstrong and Bruyneel meet with the lab’s director and why?

 

[frenchfry]

This twitter picture was on the France 2 evening news last night described as a "provocation". It is also featured in the written press this morning.

It seems to me that the "paid" comments following articles on Armstrong (no need to say negative, as they are all negative now) have dropped off considerably. Maybe he considers the PR battle lost and not worth the budget to pay people to promote the brand by posing as fans.

I feel somewhat sorry for those contributors to Livestrong who invested a lot of time and effort for a seemingly good cause that now must deal with this. They should have seen what was coming, but many of them were well meaning and got caught up in the scam. I think eventually the services provided by Livestrong will be transferred to another cancer support organisation that is unrelated to any cheaters/drug dealers.

 

[The Gnome]

good interview...

"Armstrong asking Saugy how the EPO test works is a bit like walking into a bank and asking the manager to show how the lock on the safe operates."

 

[TheEnoculator]

Armstrong is a doing a little bit one at a time to keep himself in the news. The guy is now a has-been. Cycling has now moved forward to talk about how best to deal with doping in the future.

I do find it strange that the resignation was backdated a week ago.