Official lance armstrong thread, part 2 (from september 2012)

[PosterBill]

Whats really crazy is the "shock" that all these so called commentators/journalists/Administrators are in over this scandal yet casual fans in the clinic have somehow known for years what's been going on. The above people get paid to know all about the sport, the inside and outs....yet they are claiming to be in shock ?!?!?

 

[Microchip]

What do they mean when they say ...

What good things exactly has Lance done for cycling?
Hincapie remarked that Lance has done so much good for the sport (before he confessed).
What exactly are George and others referring to?

 

[TheEnoculator]

With ASO and SCA now demanding money back, Armstrong has truly screwed himself for being silent all these months. Now he has to take action, one way or the other. If he refuses to give the money back, he will face lawsuits which he will lose (UCI sanctioning him is enough for proof of guilt). If he gives the money back, he's essentially admitting guilt and opening himself to even more lawsuits because now everyone knows they can sue him. It's lose-lose for him.

Before at least he could avoid talking about it and not take any action and pretend it's not there. Not anymore.

 

[BYOP88]

With ASO and SCA now demanding money back, Armstrong has truly screwed himself for being silent all these months. Now he has to take action, one way or the other. If he refuses to give the money back, he will face lawsuits which he will lose (UCI sanctioning him is enough for proof of guilt). If he gives the money back, he's essentially admitting guilt and opening himself to even more lawsuits because now everyone knows they can sue him. It's lose-lose for him.

Before at least he could avoid talking about it and not take any action and pretend it's not there. Not anymore.

Yeah it's a real shame

 

[fatandfast]

What good things exactly has Lance done for cycling?
Hincapie remarked that Lance has done so much good for the sport (before he confessed).
What exactly are George and others referring to?

He did many things,most of them not on purpose. If he was a jockey,figure skater, or golfer all those sports would have benefited from the story of his survival from a death sentence. He, we combined the two. It never works in other sports either. Star athletes are good at sports but seldom hold up as moral pillars. Cycling benefited from added attention and sponsor cash. He brought it and he blew it also.

 

[knewcleardaze]

What good things exactly has Lance done for cycling?
Hincapie remarked that Lance has done so much good for the sport (before he confessed).
What exactly are George and others referring to?

My take is that without Lance in the peloton, the world would not be aware of cancer. With Lance racing, the world would watch and see the cancer survivor do miraculous things on the bike. Wow, a cancer guy can win 7 Tours? And he has this Livestrong thing? I'm gonna send them some money.
Then some of that money will go to the UCI to get a drug testing thingy and catch cheaters! That's what Lance did for cycling. Helping to catch cheaters and drug takers, thus making cycling clean.

 

[dadane]

Wonderboy just removed being a 7 time Tour winner from his bio on his twitter account.

Finally. Maybe someone should tell JB. 9 minus 7 = 2.

 

[TheEnoculator]

My take is that without Lance in the peloton, the world would not be aware of cancer. With Lance racing, the world would watch and see the cancer survivor do miraculous things on the bike. Wow, a cancer guy can win 7 Tours? And he has this Livestrong thing? I'm gonna send them some money.
Then some of that money will go to the UCI to get a drug testing thingy and catch cheaters! That's what Lance did for cycling. Helping to catch cheaters and drug takers, thus making cycling clean.

The irony in your post chokes me worse than the Beijing smog does!

 

[mikeNphilly]

Interesting poll

http://espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=frontpage&pollId=3264309

 

[MarkvW]

On the one hand, I'm glad thedivorce is final, and that is good. On the other, this is being treated by the UCI as just another Festina.

The conditions that spawned Lance remain in place.

 

[Lukenwolf]

The conditions didn't spawn Lance. That was his own underhanded doing, but the corrupt minions at UCI allowed him to prosper.

 

[MattMarriott]

Lance Armstrong, Usain Bolt,"Hussein Obama II" accused and stripped: first of 6 acts June 29 2012, next 5 to follow in 2012
published June 29, 2012 references articles with the script of Lance to be falsely accused as early as 2004 (verifiable at webarchive.org)
http://www.christianforums.com/t7669035/

Last Prophet predicted 2004 that the greatest cycling champion ever, Lance Armstrong, would be executed the same way as Marion Jones:
- first: falsely accused of doping, as many others before, part of the agenda behind the illuminati doping conspiracy; (1)
- second: all major TITLES erased from the official medals table, which is also part of the "Rewrite History" agenda pushed to the utter limits.

In 2007 Last Prophet explained that Usain Bolt would be executed the same way as Lance Armstrong.
In 2008 after Usain Bolt set his world records at the Beijing Olympics, Last Prophet explained that Usain Bolt became the fastest man ever AND FOREVER.

Last Prophet explained immediately after the illuminati were forced to use plan B for the 2008 "election" and have "Obama" play counterfeit president and have him detonate as fake suicide bomber (like Nixon) later, that illuminati actor "Obama" would be executed the same way (2) as the two greatest sports champions ever, Armstrong and Bolt:
- accused of all sort of crimes (forging birth certificate; murdering "granny", etc);
- stripped of his title, with Hillary Clinton declared 44th president and successor of GW Bush.

All this part also of the supervised ethnic civil war script, to be launched together with the collapse of banks and anihilation of savings and pension funds.

The first of these six acts (accusation, titles stripping of Armstrong, Bolt and "Obama") timely took place (3) on June 29, 2012, hours before the start of the Tour de France.
The next five acts won't take as long as the first did. Actually they are all scheduled for 2012.

 

[RHRH19861986]

Wow, wouldn´t have expected him to remove this "7 time Tour de France winner" from his twitter account so quickly, or doing it at all.

The thing is, other than Anquetil, Merckx, Hinault and Indurain, Lance really might be forgotten, maybe even quite quickly, within 10 or 20 years. In today´s time, where everything goes quicker and faster, and is based on facts and 24 hour available information from everywhere, when there´s just no "Lance Armstrong" in the statistics and rankings any more, he´ll just to be found nowhere. Kids at the age of 12 or 13 who´ll get into cycling in maybe 2018 just won´t find Lance anywhere, maybe just in relationship to an "EPO era" from 1995 to 2005, but nowhere else.

If there´s one person that provoked and deserved such punishment, it´s Lance, with his arrogant and unlikeable person he just is, but one has to say he now gets almost maximum punishment, and, let´s be honest, no one would have expected this to ever happen, not even 1 or 2 years ago.

It´s a story that also teaches a lot: the most evil will get their punishment, sooner or later. And most evil was that he apparently forced others to take PEDs.

In case of Zabriskie, who was mentioned by McQuaid yesterday, I think it´s not so clear. When I read he even sung and joked about that EPO in his vains, he didn´t seem to dislike it so much... I guess Zabriskie is, just like Hamilton, a "good guy", but he´s strange, really strange.

 

[biker jk]

Interesting poll

http://espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=frontpage&pollId=3264309

The percentage of Americans who believe in UFOs is higher.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Good USA Today article on the collapse of Armstrongs strategy.

http://usat.ly/OXF3SR

 

[ValleyFlowers]

Interesting poll

http://espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=frontpage&pollId=3264309

Interesting
US percentages: 60/40 (104K voting)
International percentages: 59/41 (23K voting)

I would have expected the international percentages to vary more from the US score.

 

[Bosco10]

Interesting
US percentages: 60/40 (104K voting)
International percentages: 59/41 (23K voting)

I would have expected the international percentages to vary more from the US score.

You never know about those internet polls. Could be a groups of people "stuffing" the ballot.

 

[webvan]

With ASO and SCA now demanding money back, Armstrong has truly screwed himself for being silent all these months. Now he has to take action, one way or the other. If he refuses to give the money back, he will face lawsuits which he will lose (UCI sanctioning him is enough for proof of guilt). If he gives the money back, he's essentially admitting guilt and opening himself to even more lawsuits because now everyone knows they can sue him. It's lose-lose for him.

Before at least he could avoid talking about it and not take any action and pretend it's not there. Not anymore.

So he's just going to wait for each one of the companies/individuals he duped to come after him and try to settle out of court...but it's likely SCA and The Times will want their day in court since it's a total slam dunk and they were humiliated the first time around.

 

[RedheadDane]

I've never understood the hero because he returned from cancer thing anyway. Cancer is a horrible disease and I'm sure most people have friends or family that are or were affected by it, so everyone will know that one can regain full strength again when he or she is cured (and I hope more people will be cured, in future). I am happy Armstrong got cured from cancer, but I can't see how it makes him a hero. In my view, this argument is used as a last desperate attempt to fix and defend past beliefs. After all, it is just about turning pedals again, he didn't safe Jews or anything...

He was branded a hero by a lot of people. Sure, he didn't save anyone, but even if I don't like him I have to give him credit for his determination.
Just a shame that same determination kept him from being a real hero of the sport...

In case of Zabriskie, who was mentioned by McQuaid yesterday, I think it´s not so clear. When I read he even sung and joked about that EPO in his vains, he didn´t seem to dislike it so much... I guess Zabriskie is, just like Hamilton, a "good guy", but he´s strange, really strange.

Zabriskie, strange? Nooo! He's the sanest one in the bunch!
In all seriousness though, this is actually one of the things about that whole messy story which gives me the biggest sich-feeling in my stomach. According to his affidavit he started that whole singing crazy songs routine during that time. I'm not an expert, but I can't help wondering if at least part of it was some sort of "coping method"...

 

[ElChingon]

Everyone seems to have gone on a back slapping, high five-ing, **** patting frenzy with this, yet have lost the real view of the end game.

This thing should be far from over. Unless its business as usual come at the start of 2013.

 

[Racelap]

Zabriskie, strange? Nooo! He's the sanest one in the bunch!
In all seriousness though, this is actually one of the things about that whole messy story which gives me the biggest sich-feeling in my stomach. According to his affidavit he started that whole singing crazy songs routine during that time. I'm not an expert, but I can't help wondering if at least part of it was some sort of "coping method"...

The part about him thinking that his serious crashes were punishment for doping made me sad. So far he is the only one I have much empathy for. Based on Tyler Hamilton's book he seems to be managing the consequences well, but DZ sounds like he needs real help.

 

[RedheadDane]

The part about him thinking that his serious crashes were punishment for doping made me sad. So far he is the only one I have much empathy for. Based on Tyler Hamilton's book he seems to be managing the consequences well, but DZ sounds like he needs real help.

Yeah... me too.

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As for Armstrong; I really hope that some day he'll realize that he made the biggest mistake in his life.
Even if it's only on his dead bed...

 

[shades1]

i know i am in the minority here but i wonder if all the people that have hung lance armstrong out to dry will do anything remotely close to what this man has done for charity , raising millions and millions for the battle against cancer would surely deserve this matter to have been dealt with a lot better .

all though sport in general has cleaned its act up last few years to clean up all the performance enhancing drugs , it was a level playing field for a very long time as they were ALL on them . if all this testing was done 2O years ago there would be hundreds of world and olympic champions in all sports thrown to the wolves . {well a few have , not many}

if you had to hand the titles back to the competitors finishing behind you in these events then you would probably have to go back to the guy that finished 67th before you found someone totally clean .

disgusting treatment of a sporting legend in my opinion !!

 

[Cloxxki]

i know i am in the minority here but i wonder if all the people that have hung lance armstrong out to dry will do anything remotely close to what this man has done for charity , raising millions and millions for the battle against cancer would surely deserve this matter to have been dealt with a lot better .

all though sport in general has cleaned its act up last few years to clean up all the performance enhancing drugs , it was a level playing field for a very long time as they were ALL on them . if all this testing was done 2O years ago there would be hundreds of world and olympic champions in all sports thrown to the wolves . {well a few have , not many}

if you had to hand the titles back to the competitors finishing behind you in these events then you would probably have to go back to the guy that finished 67th before you found someone totally clean .

disgusting treatment of a sporting legend in my opinion !!

He gave a buck to charity so he could make a tenner in endorsement engagements. Of that he spent a buck, to earn another ten...etc... real boy scout. Ultimate hero. Pick your heroes more wisely.

 

[ebandit]

reply to shades1

shades1............i prefer not to copy your apologist tosh in a quote

but i note you reference to lance being treated in a disgusting manner

he has been treated fairly within rules agreed by lance himself.........
........................without the insults........................that lance himself
often used against others

lance is an opportunist not a hero