Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[Berzin]

Getting back to the documentary, it doesn't seem to have anything of interest for anyone looking for more "truth", seeing as Armstrong feels he's the only one that can provide said "truth" but won't for whatever reason.

It seems as if the filmmaker let the narrative slip away from him, allowing Armstrong once again to make himself the focal point while deflecting criticism and blame so he could make himself out as the victim.

I love how he states that he lived one big lie as opposed to a bunch of little ones, as if that makes any difference. I don't even understand why that would matter, as if one were better than the other.

No, Lance-it was a bunch of big lies all strewn together.

His personality disorder is beside the point, and really of no further interest to me. The only way we will know the rest of the story is via the court system.

Lawsuits are the only instruments that will compel him or anyone else involved in this tired charade to speak.

When is Bruyneel ever going to face the USADA?

 

[D-Queued]

Getting back to the documentary, it doesn't seem to have anything of interest for anyone looking for more "truth", seeing as Armstrong feels he's the only one that can provide said "truth" but won't for whatever reason.

It seems as if the filmmaker let the narrative slip away from him, allowing Armstrong once again to make himself the focal point while deflecting criticism and blame so he could make himself out as the victim.

I love how he states that he lived one big lie as opposed to a bunch of little ones, as if that makes any difference. I don't even understand why that would matter, as if one were better than the other.

No, Lance-it was a bunch of big lies all strewn together.

His personality disorder is beside the point, and really of no further interest to me. The only way we will know the rest of the story is via the court system.

Lawsuits are the only instruments that will compel him or anyone else involved in this tired charade to speak.

When is Bruyneel ever going to face the USADA?

Will let you know Monday - as well as what the Canadian/US press thinks about it.

Dave.

 

[hektoren]

The silence of a respondent does create a civil inference of guilt. See Baxter v. Palmigiano, 425 U.S. 308, 318, 96 S.Ct. 1551, 47 L.Ed.2d 810 (1976).

The law in Texas is this: A jury may draw an adverse inference against a party who pleads the Fifth Amendment. Refusal to answer questions by asserting the privilege is relevant evidence from which the finder of fact in a civil action may draw whatever inference is reasonable under the circumstances.

A person can only assert the fifth if that person is faced with 'substantial and real hazard' of self incrimination. Lance is going to be interrogated by people who dealt with him from 1999 to 2001--transactions that are twelve to fourteen years old. If the judge finds that Lance really faced no hazard of criminal sanction as a result of his testimony, then the judge has the authority to severely sanction him for invoking the Fifth in bad faith.

A related problem with taking the Fifth is that Lance won't be able to effectively rebut the evidence against him if he takes the Fifth. The law won't let him play 'peek-a-boo' with the Fifth Amendment. If he tries that, he's going to face serious sanctions for invoking the Fifth in bad faith.

Lance is pretty much cornered. Acceptance has a great case for fraudulent concealment.

I get a kick out of Lance's "you should have known I was a big fat liar." If THAT is true, what does that say about the ethics of Lance's lawyers--i.e., shouldn't THEY have also known that Lance was a big fat liar while they were litigating otherwise?

Good post, and I believe you're right. An out of court settlement (as in the Sunday Times case) seems more likely by the minute, though.

 

[heart_attack_man]

Interesting to me is that there has been no ruling on Armstrong's motion to dismiss in the SCA case. Questions relevant to the theory of extrinsic fraud raised by SCA will likely be asked is my guess. SCA could still be dismissed, but the fact that it hasn't been dismissed thus far (contrary to certain posters suggestion that the case for dismissal {not summary judgment} was a slam dunk), there appears to be enough merit to the extrinsic fraud argument to warrant a closer look at the theory. Lance having to answer questions that directly relate to that type of fraud will likely come, and will likely not produce answers that counter the theory, but in fact confirm that there was indeed extrinsic fraud that affected SCA's contract and settlement agreement.

We'll see, but suffice to say that the snowball is rolling downhill, and picking up size and momentum.

If he doesn't settle out of court, I'll be gob-smacked. I'll be very surprised to see this get to trial and Monkey Man on the stand answering honestly. I assume that this testimony would potentially become evidence for the Qui-Tam, and there is NO way he'd want that. A confidential settlement would be a much neater way out of this for him.

 

[Race Radio]

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/lance-armstrong-confesses-living-lie-documentary-20175646

Another piece on the film that was on GMA this morning

 

[Oldman]

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/lance-armstrong-confesses-living-lie-documentary-20175646

Another piece on the film that was on GMA this morning

I never thought it would have ongoing press on Good Morning America. That's pretty puffy journalism usually and a tabloid treatment that probably won't go away. Testimony from Lance over your morning paper?

 

[D-Queued]

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/lance-armstrong-confesses-living-lie-documentary-20175646

Another piece on the film that was on GMA this morning

Like how they summarized the court order at the end of that piece. "Lance must describe exactly how...".

Cool.

Then again, maybe he can incorporate that into his next book and give the judge an autographed copy.

For a title, given how he has tried to kill the sport, he could follow an OJ precedent and title the book 'I Did It'. Personally, though I would favor an homage to the FFF, given Floyd's role, and go with a title of 'Finding Ferrari's Formula'.

Knowing that the Clinic will last forever without Lance, Ferrari's Formula could become the all-time self-help bestseller.

Dave.

 

[hektoren]

Like how they summarized the court order at the end of that piece. "Lance must describe exactly how...".

Cool.

Dave.

"The Armstrong Lie" - coming soon to a theatre and courthouse near you!

 

[mewmewmew13]

"The Armstrong Lie" - coming soon to a theatre and courthouse near you!

amazing when you think about a year ago....
and final chapters still need to be written

 

[hektoren]

amazing when you think about a year ago....
and final chapters still need to be written

Yeah. I got that warm and cozy feeling too.

 

[mewmewmew13]

yeah. I got that warm and cozy feeling too.

:d
..........

 

[gooner]

Review with another clip from the film(one that I don't think has been posted yet).

http://www.cine-vue.com/2013/09/ven...um=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+Cine-Vue+(CineVue)

 

[Race Radio]

“I will be under oath about five times in the next 12 months. My answers will all be the same. One hundred percent honest and transparent,”

For some reason I have trouble believing that

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013...ong-promises-openness-and-transparency_301753

 

[Race Radio]

Review with another clip from the film(one that I don't think has been posted yet).

http://www.cine-vue.com/2013/09/ven...um=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+Cine-Vue+(CineVue)

Wow, so anyone questioning him is a d!ckhead?

 

[Scott SoCal]

Wow, so anyone questioning him is a d!ckhead?

Well, yes. In LA's mind anyway.

That sly smirk is missing from Lance nowadays. The "got over on you" look.

"I am one of the greatest cyclists of all time." Uggghh. This thing might be tough to get through.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Well, yes. In LA's mind anyway.

That sly smirk is missing from Lance nowadays. The "got over on you" look.

"I am one of the greatest cyclists of all time." Uggghh. This thing might be tough to get through.

If this is the guy that shows up to testify under oath, the lawyers wil have a field day baiting him and slamming him.

Here's to hoping we get to somehow see some of this spectacle..

 

[veganrob]

Well, yes. In LA's mind anyway.

That sly smirk is missing from Lance nowadays. The "got over on you" look.

"I am one of the greatest cyclists of all time." Uggghh. This thing might be tough to get through.

It will be tough on him but there is not an ounce of regret or humility in him. He only regrets he got caught. He will remain an arrogant pr1ck till the end.

 

[Bosco10]

Well, yes. In LA's mind anyway.

That sly smirk is missing from Lance nowadays. The "got over on you" look.

"I am one of the greatest cyclists of all time." Uggghh. This thing might be tough to get through.

It's interesting to see how his face has aged in a short amount of time -- from the gleeful interview in 2009 to the somber interview in 2013.

Lance's "One Big Lie" took a quick, nasty toll on him when the bubble finally burst.

 

[mewmewmew13]

For some reason I have trouble believing that

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013...ong-promises-openness-and-transparency_301753

This from the guy who rationalizes that "one big lie" seems to be better and less evil than 'many lies'

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Wow, so anyone questioning him is a d!ckhead?

I always had a suspicion that I was a d!ckhead, so I'm glad to finally have that fact confirmed.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I always had a suspicion that I was a d!ckhead, so I'm glad to finally have that fact confirmed.

I always thought you were a bone idle w*nker?

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I always thought you were a bone idle w*nker?

I'm a compound diagnosis.

 

[Clausfarre]

I always thought you were a bone idle w*nker?

Zzzziiing!!

True to spirit of this sporting legend, I'll be downloading this movie illegally when it's made available. Also, to cement that I'm a d$@khead.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Wow, so anyone questioning him is a d!ckhead?

And suddenly the world was filled with d!ckheads....

 

[DirtyWorks]

It's interesting to see how his face has aged in a short amount of time -- from the gleeful interview in 2009 to the somber interview in 2013.

Lance's "One Big Lie" took a quick, nasty toll on him when the bubble finally burst.

Or, he's really off the Testosterone/HGH with no weekend warriors to "dominate."