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Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

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silverrocket said:
I don't think it is a matter of class, but a matter of most people being woefully uninformed about the entire Armstrong matter.

... And you can bet that Lance will fully exploit this aspect in his post confession PR war. Half-truths and disinformation crafted into sweet little soundbites.
 
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Bosco10 said:
... And you get bet that Lance will fully exploit this aspect in his post confession PR war.

Informed cycling fans heard Armstrong's confession in the context of all the other information we already had about his "nefarious" activities throughout his career. Armstrong wants nothing to do with us because our opinions have been shaped by too many facts.

The general public and the "bandwagon" cycling fan heard the confession in the context of the general sense that "everybody in cycling is doping". This is the target group for Armstrong PR, because this is the group that will have the greatest impact on salvaging some sort of legacy, yet this group also has its opinions shaped almost entirely by the combination of mainstream media and wishful thinking.
 
Bosco10 said:
The battle cry has morphed from "passed 500 tests" into "everyone was doing it."

A follow the leader on McQuaid's latest nonsense.

Knowing that he, Hein and the UCI were past recipients of Armstrong donations, it stands to reason that this is simply another paid announcement. Phat obviously hopes that the pretzel logic in trying minimize Lance's fraud will create enough confusion that when he is re-elected by other payola pals some news service somewhere will side with him.

Yes, he is completely deluded. But, he could still get re-elected.

Dave.
 
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Moose McKnuckles said:
That is EXACTLY what happened. Many riders chose to leave the sport or not race in Europe rather than dope it up with the likes of Lance, Jan, Joseba, etc.

Oh, that's right. It's a good thing they had options in life.
 
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Briant_Gumble said:
Some people are just too cool for school.

Though a lot of cyclists come from rough backgrounds.

Doubtful if anybody is clueless about the professional sport, so they make their own choices. If somebody feels going down that path is not for them, then they have options to do other things.
 
ChrisE said:
Doubtful if anybody is clueless about the professional sport, so they make their own choices. If somebody feels going down that path is not for them, then they have options to do other things.

If this statement is in fact accurate of what to expect as an athlete, there is no reason to spectate this warped, **** heap of a sport. And all the participants who willfully make that choice can eat ****.
 
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Fatclimber said:
If this statement is in fact accurate of what to expect as an athlete, there is no reason to spectate this warped, **** heap of a sport. And all the participants who willfully make that choice can eat ****.

I'm not sure if you are serious, but...

So, when something is not real just don't watch it?

I assume you boycott movies, TV shows, wrestling, etc? Those are not real either. Do you think what is going on every Sunday in the NFL is real, ie those athletes got that big and fast on hard work only? I don't, yet I watch it like I watch cycling, along with millions of other people. It is entertainment, and my personal morals about the ability of somebody to participate without doping is outweighed.

Personally, I think most pro sports are dirty and there is concerted effort to conceal that due to the money being made, in all sports. Athletes at this level know what is up, so I check my outrage at the door and grab another beer. YMMV.
 
ChrisE said:
I assume you boycott movies, TV shows, wrestling, etc? Those are not real either.

The OBVIOUS difference between those and pro sports is that the former do not pretend that they're real. Pro sports constantly protest about how "clean" and "honest" they are.

I'm really not sure why you constantly bring up easily refuted arguments. It puts you in the position of having the obvious explained to you.
 
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Moose McKnuckles said:
The OBVIOUS difference between those and pro sports is that the former do not pretend that they're real. Pro sports constantly protest about how "clean" and "honest" they are.

I'm really not sure why you constantly bring up easily refuted arguments. It puts you in the position of having the obvious explained to you.

But the smart people like you realize they are not real either, and the rubes don't give a **** and if pressed they would admit what is obvious. Also, something tells me fatclimber knows the score.

It's entertainment, period, and people have choices about what they wish to do with their life including whether or not to pursue pro sports. Besides, you have enough anger within you to take care of the outrage quota of a medium sized city, and then some. The rest of us can relax and watch the game while you fight the good fight.
 
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BroDeal said:
You will not find many of them mentioning how Armstrong had Verbruggen get rid of any rider who looked stronger than him. They will stick with the "level playing field" BS.

Then it will be easy for you to list his major adversaries that got busted when he rode. Busted for X in the offseason doesn't count, and I give you poor little victim TH who I am sure would have beaten LA in 2004 (LOL) if not for the UCI and tugboat dying. Take your time listing the others, then you can trot back over to the politics thread and spew your gun-nut BS.
 
ChrisE said:
Then it will be easy for you to list his major adversaries that got busted when he rode. Busted for X in the offseason doesn't count, and I give you poor little victim TH who I am sure would have beaten LA in 2004 (LOL) if not for the UCI and tugboat dying. Take your time listing the others, then you can trot back over to the politics thread and spew your gun-nut BS.

You mean like Mayo and Hamilton? Those are just the ones we know about. Who knows how many riders Armstrong tattled on during those hundreds of calls to Verbrugggen. But you stick with the "everyone else was ratting on other riders" line. It does not have quite the cachet of "it was a level playing field" but maybe a few of your fellow fanboys might cling to it. It is not like they have anything real left to cling to.
 
ChrisE said:
It's entertainment, period, and people have choices about what they wish to do with their life including whether or not to pursue pro sports. Besides, you have enough anger within you to take care of the outrage quota of a medium sized city, and then some. The rest of us can relax and watch the game while you fight the good fight.

I'm not exactly sure who the "rest of us" is to you, but there are a lot fewer of you now than when Lance was doping his way to 7 tours.

You're ok with watching fake cycling. I'm really not. I'd much rather see cyclists dueling it out based on their natural abilities, not some chemical enhancement.
 
ChrisE said:
I'm not sure if you are serious, but...

So, when something is not real just don't watch it?

I assume you boycott movies, TV shows, wrestling, etc? Those are not real either. Do you think what is going on every Sunday in the NFL is real, ie those athletes got that big and fast on hard work only? I don't, yet I watch it like I watch cycling, along with millions of other people. It is entertainment, and my personal morals about the ability of somebody to participate without doping is outweighed.

Personally, I think most pro sports are dirty and there is concerted effort to conceal that due to the money being made, in all sports. Athletes at this level know what is up, so I check my outrage at the door and grab another beer. YMMV.

Dude it's pretty simple really, I'm just looking for something real. Thanks Moose, for clarifying the obvious for Mr. E. The NFL is a good example too. They do a good job of looking out for the players and all the brain damage suffered by retirees from all the hits received from drugged up athletes. .:rolleyes:

Maybe you could tell me when the typical point in a talented athlete's career occurs when they're faced with making the choice to sell their soul to compete. Can somebody tweet that to Phinney or Poels or some other younger guys.

I don't know if you're accusing me of having all the anger, but you're right, I've summoned ever bit of it up and by golly I pushed that button on the remote and turned football off.
 
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"It's entertainment, period, and people have choices about what they wish to do with their life including whether or not to pursue pro sports. Besides, you have enough anger within you to take care of the outrage quota of a medium sized city, and then some. The rest of us can relax and watch the game while you fight the good fight."

lol
The expert on anger shelling it out :rolleyes:

Maybe take that advice to "relax and watch the game" or in this case let folks post their stuff on the forum without getting the ok from you to go ahead and post....

Level playing field in the clinic not going to happen is it ....
 
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Hugh Januss said:
Daniel is 16, one of the stars of his High School MTB team, and he is on a costly and well planned out "supplement" program. Maybe DanielsDad or even DanielsUncle is an MD.

Nah, he smells like the dad of 1000 sock puppets to me.