Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[Zam_Olyas]

All those points have been raised and addressed a lot in this thread.

It also ignores a lot of truths about Armstrong.

The Ferrari bit is wide of the mark.

Not going to do a DocMas on it.

Well done ben, for reading the whole thing, i read only upto the forum bit

 

[86TDFWinner]

Ahahahahaaha



I bet you do. Is this guy for real? Why in the world would Tygart offer that to Armstrong with all the ammunition he already had at that point?

Because Wonderboy is simply delusional.

Trek is sending the wrong message with the Frank Schleck hiring.

LOL, Trek has been "sending the wrong message" long before signing Schleck, IMO. I've stopped buying anything Trek since their association with a certain doper we've all come to know and love so much . NOTHING Trek can do now, or in the future, that would make me want to go and purchase anything of theirs.

But you're right on when you say this. Trek doesn't care though, they'll hop into bed and ride whatever hot commodity they can, in order to make $$$, who cares about public perception. Has Trek even bothered to reach out to LeMond and try to make ammends?

 

[Benotti69]

Well done ben, for reading the whole thing, i read only upto the forum bit

Anything for you Zam

 

[skippy]

Lance #3

Some points from interiew :



DB: Did it feel like you were clinging to power and some of your actions came from fear of losing everything or was it a case of just wanting more and more?

LA: I always worked off the assumption that I could lose everything. Which may still happen now. But the way I was raised, I was just sure that I was going to go broke the next day. It was definitely more about assuming I would go bust. Like I said it may happen.




B: You thought you were untouchable.

LA: Exactly and that sense of invincibility was there and it was also a huge mistake. Look, there are those moments that I would do anything to go back and change.




DB: Did you see them at the time, these mistakes?

LA: No, but for the record I don’t feel like a pawn.




B: Anyone. The UCI, WADA?

LA: I’m cautiously optimistic. I feel for them. It’s a challenging and daunting prospect. On this one I can be patient. I’ve been adamant that I’ll do what I can in that setting.

DB: What can you offer them?

LA: To answer their questions. Honestly and transparently.




DB: What will you do if you don’t get the call?

LA: Keep working on my golf game. "

LANCE , you are acting like a PRAT !

You will know that there are those in hospital suffering CANCER , and instead of putting on a disguise and going to work helping them , you are working on a handicap ?

Get REAL , you know how they are suffering ? YOU don't need to tootle your trumpet , they will be too sick to notice you , but you do NEED to save your hide !

IF you think the interviews are coming across as HUMBLE PIE , you are mistaken ! Better you dig a trench 6th deep in your backyard !

Come back in 12 months when , Nurses & hospital Administrators , have good things to report , THEN and only then , will people believe the crap that is appearing on our computers !

 

[pastronef]

Tyler Hamilton ‏@Ty_Hamilton 10m
Hey @lancearmstrong - If you're sincere about wanting to talk, jump on your jet and fly to Missoula, Montana. Your posse is not invited.

 

[Benotti69]

Tyler Hamilton ‏@Ty_Hamilton 10m
Hey @lancearmstrong - If you're sincere about wanting to talk, jump on your jet and fly to Missoula, Montana. Your posse is not invited.

Lance is too busy on the golf course

 

[Bosco10]

Justin O'Pinion 47 minutes ago

Did Armstrong deserve what he got? Absolutely, and he admits as much in the interview. He has to sit at home and wallow in his own self-pity. But hypocracy is well evident and although I think Armstrong got what he deserved in the end, I think he has been treated far, far worse than other doping cheats. Keep it to the doping topic,and the affects it has had on cycling, and keep the man out of the equation, as hard asit might be for some people.

Justin O'Pinion is spinning around in his spin cycle. He says Armstrong got what he deserved, yet was treated unfairly? Doesn't quite make sense. Fact is, Lance thumbed his nose at USADA, and they subsequently put the hammer down on him. Armstrong is playing the victim card, even though "he got what he deserved." Talk about a twisted message, or as Lance likes to say, "My Narrative."

 

[pastronef]

Lance is too busy on the golf course

does Lance still own some % of Trek Bikes?

 

[Benotti69]

does Lance still own some % of Trek Bikes?

I think he owned a small % of Sram but that is no longer the case. I doubt he still has a % of Trek as he now rides a moots.

 

[thehog]

Tyler Hamilton ‏@Ty_Hamilton 10m
Hey @lancearmstrong - If you're sincere about wanting to talk, jump on your jet and fly to Missoula, Montana. Your posse is not invited.

Its on! Rumble in Montana.

 

[pastronef]

I think he owned a small % of Sram but that is no longer the case. I doubt he still has a % of Trek as he now rides a moots.

PR is very important, so he has to ride some other frame than Trek. but he might be keeping his little % of Trek. Trek just must kneel to Lance forever

 

[Trailzz]

Lance Armstrong ‏@lancearmstrong 37m

@Ty_Hamilton so you have or have not received my 5 or 6 calls/emails/texts attempting to do just this?


party is just getting started

 

[thehog]

Lance Armstrong ‏@lancearmstrong 37m

@Ty_Hamilton so you have or have not received my 5 or 6 calls/emails/texts attempting to do just this?


party is just getting started

Poor Lance I feel sorry for him.

How can they treat him like this? And on Twitter!

 

[Bosco10]

Lance Armstrong ‏@lancearmstrong 37m

@Ty_Hamilton so you have or have not received my 5 or 6 calls/emails/texts attempting to do just this?


party is just getting started

I knew Twitter was good for something.. lol.

And, I think Hamilton is still buzzed by the confrontation at Cache Cache restaurant.

 

[Samson777]

Lance Armstrong ‏@lancearmstrong 37m

@Ty_Hamilton so you have or have not received my 5 or 6 calls/emails/texts attempting to do just this?


party is just getting started

Haha.. Old love never dies

 

[hfer07]

LA: Back then, and I think people on the team can testify, I was never a warm and fuzzy person who wanted to trust everyone. I viewed everyone as having an agenda. I didn’t totally trust a lot of them. A lot of that you just had to deal with as you’ve got to have a team and teammates. Looking back on it, there were a handful of people who should never have been on the team but you have the roster and you have to field the best team you can. The characters are well known

LA: I don’t trust anybody.

LA: I didn’t say they have an agenda, I just said I don’t trust them.

LA: Well, when you’re on top of the world like that, there are people who have agendas. I was extremely loyal. I kept the same inner team, you plug and play with new riders but the structure of management whether it’s [Bill] Stapleton or [Bart] Knaggs, [Mark] Higgins or Johan [Bruyneel], the same core group was always the same. Despite this team taking off like a rocket. It’s easy to say I cast people out, but if you stand back and look at it you could almost say I’ve been loyal to a fault.

LA: When your life is of a Thug, Cheater, Bully, Provocateur, Fraud, Scammer and many synonyms alike applied to you, is indeed hard to trust anybody at all....

 

[Stingray34]

Lance is really messed up. He needs to forget this level-playing field nonsense by aiming for a level head.

More dark nights of the soul coming up for him if he can't come to terms with his own role in all this.

Is there anything more contemptible than a man who scorns self-knowledge?

 

[mewmewmew13]

Lance the interviewee.

HAHA!!
he is such a d*ck




can't bring myself to bother to read that drivel

 

[Fatclimber]

...
At the end of the day, Armstrong is just a (very) flawed individual who was a very good bike rider. You can argue until you're blue in the face about how good he would have been had he never doped, or lost all the weight when he was ill. He got better, most cyclists improve in some manner the more they ride and the better they apply training techniques. If you took away the HGH, Coritsone, steroids, blood tranfusions, EPO and heaven knows whatever else the pros were using, the best pros still would (likely) have been the best pros. Dr. Ferarri helped some, sure, but he helped many, many pros. Geez, he was helping Pozatto, Scarponi and Kreuzinger (three big names in the CURRENT road ranks) until very recently. Why is this allowed to happen and why are they still riding? Scarponi just signed a new contract at Astana! Pozatto is on Merida commercials as the face of Lampre during cycling coverage on Euro Sport. You guys that want to hate, you should hate a lot more than just Armstrong.

...

Of course this horse has been nuked a billion times and I'm not going to get into it aside from 2 names: Bassons & Moncoutie

Those are the only 2 reasons why I can't buy this level playing field bullsh**. Coulda woulda shoulda tho, no sense dropping more bombs on that poor horse.

There are some athletes whose integrity actually makes them more of a hero than any phony dope-champion bike racer could ever be and I'm glad to see Lance walking in their shoes as he claims his ban was unfair relative to the others. Not familiar with the feeling of being a victim? Awwwwww, I guess life ain't fair.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Lance Questions His Lifetime Ban

OH Boy! Is it wrong for me to say he STILL doesn't get it?


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/cycling-armstrong-questions-fairness-life-ban-210045499--finance.html



Cycling-Armstrong questions fairness of life ban
Reuters
11 hours ago

Nov 7 (Reuters) - Lance Armstrong believes he was treated unfairly and singled out for punishment by the United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) after being banned for life for doping.

Armstrong, who was stripped of his record seven Tour de France titles last year after a USADA investigation, said he competed on a level playing field because many of his rivals doped but feels he was targeted for punishment.

"The playing field, those who were on the field would agree it was level. Justice as we've seen in the last 12 months hasn't been level," the American said in the third part of an interview with cyclingnews.com published on Thursday.

"I'm not whining or complaining, I'm just observing. I'm the one who is serving life and others who made the same choices get a complete pass.

"I don't know. That doesn't feel right," added Armstrong, who in January admitted to years of using performance-enhancing drugs to help him in cycling.

Several of Armstrong's former team mates testified against him for the USADA investigation into doping in cycling with many receiving six-month bans from the sport after admitting taking performance-enhancing drugs.

"Was I singled out? Yes. Was there collateral damage with other guys? Yes. Again, it's all my fault. Of course I'm the guy they went after. Of course. It wouldn't make any sense to go after anyone else. I get that," Armstrong said.

Asked if he thought it was a witch hunt, the 42-year-old Texan replied: "I might say it was a vendetta between me and (USADA chief executive) Travis (Tygart).

"Maybe that's not the right word but I still hope to be part of a solution. My phone, it's on, but I've not been called," he added in reference to a possible truth and reconciliation process.

"Regardless of what anyone thinks, I do care about the sport. I still love the sport and I still pay attention to what you guys write, what other outlets write, I still ride for fun.

"Despite everything, cycling has been great to me and I have a lot of appreciation for that. If I can do something to instigate the process I will." (Writing by Alison Wildey; editing by Toby Davis)

 

[ebandit]

suck

suck it lance...........I'm not whining it's just my observation

after manipulating the system so much allowing 7 TDF wins possible

constantly denying wrong doing and when found out refusing to take

part in reconciliation the lifetime ban is well deserved

Mark L

 

[rhubroma]

What Lance doesn't get in his replies, most unfortunately, is that his case isn't just about sport, but the nature of a ruthless power and how that is to be weighed into the final outcome of his particular case: a lifetime ban. The Texan himself ensured that this would be so by using his image and "story" to create a cancer foundation, garnish political support and business ties, while resorting to abominable intimidation tactics, all to keep the false narrative alive before an ignorant public and the considerable remuneration that came with this status. All of this greatly compounds, severely aggravates and places higher burden on his sporting crimes than the others. Hence just as his was a uniquely privileged position that came with special treatment whle the narrative was still in place, so too will his condemnation and punishment be exemplary in the counter sense. None of his guilty colleagues behaved in quite such an egregious manner and, thus, none carry the same burden in ruthlessly going after and severely punishing those who attempted to expose the lie, and this is reflected in both their outcomes and his.

In short, in the real world, the bigger they are, the harder they fall. He has justly earned his lifetime ban.

 

[jens_attacks]

what moncoutie you're talking about? this one?

1. 2004: 55:51 Iban Mayo 23.10 km/h
2. 2004: 56:26 Tyler Hamilton 22.86 km/h
3. 1999: 56:50 Jonathan Vaughters 22.70 km/h
4. 2004: 56:54 Oscar Sevilla 22.67 km/h
5. 1999: 57:33 Alexander Vinokourov 22.42 km/h
6. 1994: 57:34 Marco Pantani 22.41 km/h
7. 1999: 57:34 Wladimir Belli 22.41 km/h
8. 2004: 57:39 Juan Miguel Mercado 22.38 km/h
9. 1999: 57:42 Joseba Beloki 22.36 km/h
10. 2004: 57:49 Lance Armstrong 22.31 km/h
11. 1999: 57:52 Lance Armstrong 22.29 km/h
12. 2004: 58:14 Inigo Landaluze 22.15 km/h
13. 1999: 58:15 Kevin Livingston 22.15 km/h
14. 1999: 58:31 David Moncoutie 22.05 km/h
15. 2004: 58:35 José Enrique Gutierrez 22.02 km/h
16. 2009: 58:45 Andy Schleck 21.96 km/h
17. 2009: 58:45 Alberto Contador 21.96 km/h
18. 2009: 58:48 Lance Armstrong 21.94 km/h
19. 2009: 58:50 Fränk Schleck 21.93 km/h
20. 1999: 58:51 Unai Osa 21.92 km/h


4 stages in vuelta, beating those jetfueled damn spaniards while pedalling mouth closed?

ever read his comments as a specialist on cyclismactu? regarding sky for example...

bassons and moncoucou...well i won't put in the same sentence these two names...

 

[neineinei]

You deserved a permanent ban for what you did to Bassons, never mind all the rest of it.

You deserved a permanent ban for what you did to Simeoni, never mind all the rest of it.

You deserved a permanent ban for using Livestrong to send lobbyists to Washington to try to stop the funding of your national anti-doping agency. Never mind all the rest of it.

Show me someone else who leveled the playing field in moves anything like these and I'll listen to you, Armstrong. Until then, shut up.

 

[brilleaben]

Permaban seems a little harsh without any warnings or suspensions beforehand. Take it easy, mods.