Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[thehog]

Interesting! They look all chummy there.

Have you guys missed something. They've been in constant contact. Hincapie reads the lines in the movie.

Nothing has changed.

 

[pastronef]

that.
he'll still have his stake in companies regardless of whether they're publicly supporting him or not

agree, some companies benefited so much from supporting him

 

[pastronef]

Have you guys missed something. They've been in constant contact. Hincapie reads the lines in the movie.

Nothing has changed.

my question was ironic. but maybe just george is still in good friendship. don't know about the Garmin trio...

 

[neineinei]

Hincapie made it all perfectly clear in his affidavit:

http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/Hincapie,+George+Affidavit.pdf page 15

97. While I ultimately came to the conclusion that I needed to be fully truthful and transparent with USADA, I continue to hold many with whom I cycled, including Lance Armstrong, in very high regard.

98. I continue to regard Lance Armstrong as a great cyclist, and I continue to be proud to be his friend and to have raced with him for many years.

99. I have witnessed many important things that Lance has done for his fellow man through battling cancer and being a role model for many. My testimony is not intended to take away from, or diminish those things.

100. Lance and I, and our teammates, raced on the Motorola Team, on the U. S. Postal Service Team and on the Discovery Channel Team during a time period when our sport was inundated with performance enhancing drugs. The doping controls were not very good and we came to believe that we needed to use banned substances to compete at the very highest levels.

101. While I understand that the choices we made were wrong, I understand why we made them and why, at the time, we felt justified in making them. I do not condemn Lance for making those choices and I do not wish to be condemned for the choices I made.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Hincapie made it all perfectly clear in his affidavit:

http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/Hincapie,+George+Affidavit.pdf page 15

It is clear Hiuncapie is in denial. His rationalization for cheating and lying is like listening to Armstrong's pathetic rationalization. They sound like an automated answering machine moulded from the same factory. Sorry George your BS just doesn't cut it!

 

[Dazed and Confused]

It is clear Hiuncapie is in denial. His rationalization for cheating and lying is like listening to Armstrong's pathetic rationalization. They sound like an automated answering machine moulded from the same factory. Sorry George your BS just doesn't cut it!

well, USADA bought the story. The man got a six month (off season) post career ban. Now he runs a bike team, organize a gran fondo and makes money from making jerseys etc. The confession was most likely a lie and contributed nothing. The perfect doper career.

 

[pastronef]

well, USADA bought the story. The man got a six month (off season) post career ban. Now he runs a bike team, organize a gran fondo and makes money from making jerseys etc. The confession was most likely a lie and contributed nothing. The perfect doper career.

and gets a few $ from BMC too, he promotes BMC bikes is US

 

[mattghg]

Lance wasn't the mastermind of a "serial killing campaign on cycling."

I agree with you about what Lance did, but I don't think Lance "killed" cycling. The sport was already zombified by the time Lance came on the scene.

Lance wasn't the first organized doper--Festina was the first exposed organized doping team. Lance wasn't even the biggest doper--I think we can credit 'Mr. 60 percent' with that. And anybody who thinks that Lance was the only person who had a "special relationship" with McBruggen would also have to believe that McBruggen would only take money from Lance and nobody else . . .. Maybe Lance was meaner to his cycle-servants than every other cyclist, but I doubt it.

But Lance, Johan and the Coconspirators brought all the elements of cheating together in a really effective way. They truly learned from cycling's history. They didn't "kill" cycling--they embodied it.

I'd agree that Lance butchered the ideal of professional cycling. He dragged the ideal through the metaphorical mud. But Lance embodied the reality of professional cycling, filthy circus that it is.

Mostly agree, although it seems that Lance's relationship with Pat&Hein may have been particularly close simply because of the amount of money involved.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Doubt this happens.......

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ap-interview-tygart-says-door-132821718--spt.html


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/cycling-armstrong-says-testify-100-percent-honesty-093206689--spt.html

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

I'd agree that Lance butchered the ideal of professional cycling. He dragged the ideal through the metaphorical mud.

Perhaps for you, US citizens, not for Europeans. He was just a continuation of the freak show of the preparatore.

I read a funny quote the other day, there was a famous Belgian cycling reporter - Mark Uitterhoeven - who quit his job because he saw riders almost flying out of the corners on the Poggio. He didnt notice the tailwind I guess.

I am getting a little tired of the media outlets who give Armstrong a podium to vent his grief. Why give him a podium if he does not deliver new information?

Just like the high octane - low octane dribble, what kinda octane is this linebacker

on?

I do agree with Armstrong and his six months versus life story though, but hey, maybe he should open his mouth and give some information, perhaps then he is allowed to ride a grand fondo. He can look up his old teammate Jamie Burrow.

 

[sniper]

well, USADA bought the story. The man got a six month (off season) post career ban. Now he runs a bike team, organize a gran fondo and makes money from making jerseys etc. The confession was most likely a lie and contributed nothing. The perfect doper career.

This.
same applies to the garmin boys and leipheimer.
from that angle, yes, lances grief is comprehensible and his criticism justified, me thinks.

 

[darwin553]

Well.. Lance is starting to look like a little old man, at least in the pic. His concern now is to make that lifetime ban ("It's so unfair!") go away so he can continue to compete in sanctioned triathlons, namely the Ironman. But dang, Lance is already 42 years-old and definitely not getting any younger. What is he thinking?

Tell that to Chris Horner

 

[peloton]

This.
same applies to the garmin boys and leipheimer.
from that angle, yes, lances grief is comprehensible and his criticism justified, me thinks.

How come?

LA had the same opportunity as others mentioned to speak with USADA. He chose not to and even tried to sue them.

 

[mattghg]

How come?

LA had the same opportunity as others mentioned to speak with USADA. He chose not to and even tried to sue them.

...and even tried to get his political buddies to shut them down

 

[sniper]

How come?

LA had the same opportunity as others mentioned to speak with USADA. He chose not to and even tried to sue them.

Of course, not all of his grief is justified. Smaller parts of it.

anyway, how sure are we that he got the same deal offered?
i think he still denies having received a 6month deal, doesnt he?

 

[Catwhoorg]

In his BBC interview he said he was the only cyclist serving a life ban, not true.

Ricco is just from the top of my head.

 

[neineinei]

In his BBC interview he said he was the only cyclist serving a life ban, not true.

Ricco is just from the top of my head.

Ricco got eight years. Nicklas Axelsson is banned for life. (http://iof1.idrottonline.se/templates/NewsPage.aspx?id=22825) He too beat testicular cancer.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Ricco got eight years. Nicklas Axelsson is banned for life. (http://iof1.idrottonline.se/templates/NewsPage.aspx?id=22825) He too beat testicular cancer.

Thanks for the correction.

 

[gooner]

Of course, not all of his grief is justified. Smaller parts of it.

anyway, how sure are we that he got the same deal offered?
i think he still denies having received a 6month deal, doesnt he?

In Wheelmen, it says he got offered the chance to come forward where he would have been able to keep 5 Tours and get a 6 month ban. Bock spoke to Mark Levinstein(one of Lance's lawyers) to tell him they were giving Lance an opportunity to speak to them. Herman then set up a conference call with Lance's lawyers and Bock. Armstrong's lawyers were still denying he used PEDs even up to then. They were threatening USADA with lawsuits during it.

If you can get access to Wheelmen, read from page 277-280, it describes this whole scenario.

He had his opportunity and blew it.

 

[neineinei]

Here is a list of suspensions:

http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/g...bjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=Nzk5OTY&LangId=1

Christian Pfannberger is also banned for life.

Edit: And DiLuca should be joining Axelsson, Armstrong and Pfannberger soon.

 

[mattghg]

Here is a list of suspensions:

http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/g...bjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=Nzk5OTY&LangId=1

Hmmm according to that file Michael Barry is American...

 

[Benotti69]

Hmmm according to that file Michael Barry is American...

That is because true Canadians stopped doping in 2003 or 2004

 

[neineinei]

Hmmm according to that file Michael Barry is American...

That is UCI for you.

 

[proffate]

Of course, not all of his grief is justified. Smaller parts of it.

anyway, how sure are we that he got the same deal offered?
i think he still denies having received a 6month deal, doesnt he?

Well if Lance Armstrong says something it must be true. What history of lies does USADA/Tygart have?

 

[skippy]

HEY Lance , instead of polishing your ego , how about lending a hand to help #philippines Cyclists !

A Mayor had to ride a bike for help for his community , as No phones & NO Roads !

RT skippyblogging.blogspot.com

maybe some of your 3M followers will be philopinos in need of help ?

Do this , maybe you can earn some kudos with the hate gang ?