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Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

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ChrisE said:
Of course. The internet is the place to display the faux outrage fueled by little self awareness, propped up their alleged heroes.

I will also point out, as uspostal did above, that there were many people who were aware of LA's doping, and doping in the sport. Yet, they said nothing and continued to be in the sport either as a rider or as an employee of an entity associated with it.

I don't remember BA speaking up before she was deposed in SCA. She hasn't found the mirror yet. Hypocritical hero of the clinic hypocrites.

Reread my post…
I believe I also slammed the 'many people' that failed to man up..

'faux outrage'…
include yourself in this group as well.. your efforts to cover it under a veil of snark and superiority don't exempt you

Just because you "don't remember" Betsy speaking up does not make your point stronger..You've missed out on a lot of what really went down over the years.
 
uspostal said:
A lame excuse for a backbone ???? Really, 7 years worth of team guys some of who did PED's with LA + staff ALL of whom knew what was going on yet people want Crow to say something. Has Betsy called out the other 7 yrs worth of staff who knew? Picking out Crow who is a big name is really wrong, try the team members 1st. So according to Betsy all the teammates of LA have no ethics and said nothing while he was burning down the forest. Try to find someone else to blame, Crow realistically had no dog in the fight.



please don't dare besmirch any human with 'a really big name'

the rest of this garble makes no sense
 
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mewmewmew13 said:
please don't dare besmirch any human with 'a really big name'

the rest of this garble makes no sense

Well lets see Sheryl Crow, 16 million records sold, overall value an estimated $40 million dollars, and 9 Grammy awards. Betsy wife of a never was cyclist, who wants someone else to stick their neck out for her. I'd say Sheryl has about 40 million reasons not to stick her neck out. OK so I'm not sure if Sheryl is a big name but between the 2 its easy to see who's name is bigger.
 
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uspostal said:
Well lets see Sheryl Crow, 16 million records sold, overall value an estimated $40 million dollars, and 9 Grammy awards. Betsy wife of a never was cyclist, who wants someone else to stick their neck out for her. I'd say Sheryl has about 40 million reasons not to stick her neck out. OK so I'm not sure if Sheryl is a big name but between the 2 its easy to see who's name is bigger.

Money, money, money ...

So Sheryl made a lot of money for herself, whilst looking out for no. 1 the whole time, people have done it before, people will do it again. Maybe Sheryl did make it to the top based off her looks and musical talents, with everything kept above board. Then again she's hardly a master of her craft, I don't imagine she followed the 10,000 hour rule for true prodigies:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XS5EsTc_-2Q

I doubt she would have sold anything if she looked like Adele.

Betsy helped take down legitimately the biggest fraud in the history of sports, changing the world of sport forever, that is a legacy in and of itself.
 
Briant_Gumble said:
Money, money, money ...

So Sheryl made a lot of money for herself, whilst looking out for no. 1 the whole time, people have done it before, people will do it again. Maybe Sheryl did make it to the top based off her looks and musical talents, with everything kept above board. Then again she's hardly a master of her craft, I don't imagine she followed the 10,000 hour rule for true prodigies:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XS5EsTc_-2Q

I doubt she would have sold anything if she looked like Adele.

Betsy helped take down legitimately the biggest fraud in the history of sports, changing the world of sport forever, that is a legacy in and of itself.

Oh, yeah. It's radically changed.
 
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Briant_Gumble said:
Betsy helped take down legitimately the biggest fraud in the history of sports, changing the world of sport forever, that is a legacy in and of itself.

Was Betsy's role actually that significant? Doubtless she had a high profile dispute with Lance and was shown to be correct, but without Landis "singing", what would Betsy have achieved?
 
ChrisE said:
Of course. The internet is the place to display the faux outrage fueled by little self awareness, propped up their alleged heroes.

I will also point out, as uspostal did above, that there were many people who were aware of LA's doping, and doping in the sport. Yet, they said nothing and continued to be in the sport either as a rider or as an employee of an entity associated with it.

I don't remember BA speaking up before she was deposed in SCA. She hasn't found the mirror yet. Hypocritical hero of the clinic hypocrites.

Um, err, well... how about immediately after?

As in, (paraphrase): "Frankie, if you are doing that crap the wedding is off..."

Before the SCA deposition, Betsy was just 'Frankie's old lady..' and did not qualify for bit player status according to the Lance.

If anything, Betsy has arguably been as consistent as Lance in this whole caper.

It is hard to believe that Lance could ever do anything clean in the future. Extremely hard. To Lance's own puzzle over whether this was one big lie or a whole bunch of lies merely confirms that Lance was, is and always will be a big liar.

It is equally hard to believe that if someone asked Betsy about doping that she wouldn't speak her mind.

Dave.
 
Wallace and Gromit said:
Was Betsy's role actually that significant? Doubtless she had a high profile dispute with Lance and was shown to be correct, but without Landis "singing", what would Betsy have achieved?

Armstrong's downfall, IMO, was Floyd as the essential catalyst plus the unwillingness of the other USPS co-conspirators to lie under oath to protect Armstrong. Armstrong marginalized the others very effectively up until that point.
 
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Digger said:
Rubbish.

She spoke to Walsh for LA Con long before that...however I do have an issue with certain people on here having a go at Crowe yet saying JV made the right decision by waiting so long...for the record I think they are both a disgrace.

LA Confidential came out in 2003 or 4. She knew LA was doping long before that, and that fact is documented in both SCA and the USADA depositions.

If she would have started squawking in 2000 she could have gone on Larry King and bawled then, saving the innocent :rolleyes: peloton from LA's wrath. But she didn't, which is logical but some of you in here are too invested in her BS to want to understand why. Her husband continued riding with him after the PED discovery, and they continued to profit from LA's wins while he was riding and afterwards with the TV gig.

You can list all you want on your little shyt list, digger. The fact is that the whole sport was and for the most part still is a cesspool even for your flawed heroes, who still want to take tequila shots with their darlin'.
 
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ChrisE said:
I will also point out, as uspostal did above, that there were many people who were aware of LA's doping, and doping in the sport. Yet, they said nothing and continued to be in the sport either as a rider or as an employee of an entity associated with it.

I don't remember BA speaking up before she was deposed in SCA
. She hasn't found the mirror yet. Hypocritical hero of the clinic hypocrites.

On the record only once that I'm aware of for L.A Confidentiel. That would have been published in 2004. Around 8 years after hearing the comments about LA's ped use and after Lance had already won 5 tours.

I thought Crow's comments were succinct and accurate.
 
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sittingbison said:
Only those playing ducks and drakes BroDeal.

Probably best to keep ones trap shut when you know now't

Cheers
Bison

Can I ask why the discussion about Crow is off limits? The title of this thread is general in nature, and the subject is relevant.
 
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ChrisE said:
Can I ask why the discussion about Crow is off limits? The title of this thread is general in nature, and the subject is relevant.

I agree. The moderators here like to make big sinkhole threads, and then want to ban topics related to those big sinkholes. It seems a bit arbitrary in all honesty.

Lance Armstrong <- Just to stay on topic
 
ChrisE said:
Can I ask why the discussion about Crow is off limits? The title of this thread is general in nature, and the subject is relevant.

ChewbaccaD said:
I agree. The moderators here like to make big sinkhole threads, and then want to ban topics related to those big sinkholes. It seems a bit arbitrary in all honesty.

Lance Armstrong <- Just to stay on topic

I am going to do a thehog here:
sittingbison said:
...those playing ducks and drakes....

cheers
bison
 
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sittingbison said:
I am going to do a thehog here:


cheers
bison

I really don't have any idea what that means, nor is it terribly important.

My statement stands, and apparently, coming up with an intelligible response is not your job. Moderate away.

cheers
chewbaccad

...Lance Armstrong...
 
Scott SoCal said:
Don't normally wade in to this but you really should resign. Your modding is nothing short of pathetic....

Take it to the mods thread

ChewbaccaD said:
I really don't have any idea what that means, nor is it terribly important.

My statement stands, and apparently, coming up with an intelligible response is not your job. Moderate away...

What it means chewie is there was an agenda in play by several persons that had nothing to do with the topic of Lance let alone the sub-discussion about Betsy, Sheryl Crow or Betsy and Sheryl Crow. and I am not going to let them use those persons on this forum to carry out said agendas.

Now if you don't mind if you have observations about me as a moderator, take it to the mods thread