Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[Microchip]

And no unanswered questions.

True, but he dodged a couple of them. Similar to:

Q: "Was the traffic light on red as you approached?"
A: "Yesterday was a sunny day.

 

[Boeing]

No humility in this man still. "That was Travis' stunt" come on lance I thought we all needed to" remove yourself" from this argument...still a victim ehh?

 

[DirtyWorks]

I say there is a good chance Lance will play his next (final?) card and disclose the various UCI dirt. This in an attempt to clean his own image, present himself as the cycling messiah (sinned but came clean and saved the sport). It's his golden chance to redeem himself after the failure of the previous 2 strategies (ignore USADA case and Oprah show) and reclaim the media spotlight. And Tygart has dangled the carrot already...

He's uniquely qualified to have Pat's job. This could be about Thom's ascension into Hein's job. That's a crazy idea, but this is the UCI.

There's no doubt in my mind the content was prepared, Wonderboy checked it and maybe even hit the send button back to CN. We're definitely back to media types playing the access game with Wonderboy.

 

[skidmark]

Lance Armstrong Exclusive Interview

Hmm, kinda boring. Like how he's trying to play the 'I'm no fan of the UCI' card... is he trying to gain credibility from cycling fans? I just have no idea.

And the 'every generation had cheats' was just so... Lance. Just like his multiple teammates testified, he constructs this false reality where everyone's doing it and it's a level playing field and it's okay for him. So he offers up this big softball of a generalization that can't be argued with (because, OF COURSE there are always 'cheats') and tries to get the casual reader to get that to sink in to the 'forgive lance' part of their brain. Bor-ring.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

He really should stop mentioning the word "truth" in anything he says. No one, and I mean no one, should take anything he says as even remotely credible anymore. Even if he were to be totally candid about the UCI and what they did or didn't do, it'd be hard to believe it was completely true.

There is a difference between truth and honesty. Truth is subjective. Honesty is revealing with no hidden agenda. He is doing the former, but has yet to touch the latter from what I read.

The scenario breaks down like this: Armstrong will reveal as much as he has to reveal to get an outcome that is satisfactory. Once/if that event or events satisfy his need, he will cease revealing anything. This is a clear stimulus/response exercise at this point.

I hope that there comes a day when he becomes honest. I have seen many people struggle with doing that. The process is rarely if ever neat and painless. I am undecided whether he will progress to the point of honesty, but I hope he does for this reason: I like to see the freedom people experience when they drop the bullsh!t facade they think they need to survive, and instead just put the entire thing on the table. Floyd did it. Hamilton did it. Lance has yet to do it. I hope he can, but I remain very skeptical that he ever will.

 

[DirtyWorks]

To take a dig at Bartali is the lowest of the low.

This should be enough for ANYONE to ignore the guy. If this were a polytheistic culture, then he's offended the cycling Gods with this one.

The desperation and depravity is as clear as day.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I hope that there comes a day when he becomes honest.

Don't waste any energy on that one. The next step should this apology scam fail like it should, is he "finds God in his darkest hour." That becomes the platform for his next scam. Rework a few gems like "I'm praying six hours a day. Why do you hate God!?"

I don't wish the guy bad things, but he apparently cannot be rehabilitated. If he would go off and be the bikepathlete king of Austin (doped), then I'd think better of him. He couldn't even last 6 months banned.

 

[spalco]

indeed.

Pathetic Pat. Nice.

I guess I could like an Earnest Lance.
When he speaks frankly, you see he's quite a clever guy with a nice way of putting things.
But he has to go for the 100%. not 60%, not 95%. (the full truth, I mean)

I agree. Still hate the guy, but I like this interview (despite of course not agreeing with everything).

 

[xrayvision]

There is a difference between truth and honesty. Truth is subjective. Honesty is revealing with no hidden agenda. He is doing the former, but has yet to touch the latter from what I read.

The scenario breaks down like this: Armstrong will reveal as much as he has to reveal to get an outcome that is satisfactory. Once/if that event or events satisfy his need, he will cease revealing anything. This is a clear stimulus/response exercise at this point.

I hope that there comes a day when he becomes honest. I have seen many people struggle with doing that. The process is rarely if ever neat and painless. I am undecided whether he will progress to the point of honesty, but I hope he does for this reason: I like to see the freedom people experience when they drop the bullsh!t facade they think they need to survive, and instead just put the entire thing on the table. Floyd did it. Hamilton did it. Lance has yet to do it. I hope he can, but I remain very skeptical that he ever will.

He never will, he can´t.

 

[frenchfry]

Armstrong appears to forget that it wasn't about the doping, it was about the lies and the bullying and destroying anyone who dared to question the myth or tell the truth.

Even worse, Daniel Benson and Cyclingnews appear to forget this as well. "Exclusive" interview and access to Wonderboy in exchange for soft questions and total acceptance of the victim status which is the new mantra of Armstrong and his paid thugs.

In conclusion, a totally worthless interview that only serves to confirm the total lack of remorse chez Armstrong.

 

[D-Queued]

Armstrong appears to forget that it wasn't about the doping, it was about the lies and the bullying and destroying anyone who dared to question the myth or tell the truth.

Even worse, Daniel Benson and Cyclingnews appear to forget this as well. "Exclusive" interview and access to Wonderboy in exchange for soft questions and total acceptance of the victim status which is the new mantra of Armstrong and his paid thugs.

In conclusion, a totally worthless interview that only serves to confirm the total lack of remorse chez Armstrong.

Incredibly short memories from those that should be most aware and committed to ridding the sport of Lance.

Dave.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

There is a difference between truth and honesty. Truth is subjective. Honesty is revealing with no hidden agenda.

I would say one's perception of truth is subjective. But there is also objective truth.

I am undecided whether he will progress to the point of honesty, but I hope he does for this reason: I like to see the freedom people experience when they drop the bullsh!t facade they think they need to survive, and instead just put the entire thing on the table. Floyd did it. Hamilton did it.

I'm not convinced Floyd "I didn't use Testosterone" did it.

Also, Lance is right that Floyd finally spoke up also only for self-serving reasons, when he had nothing left to lose, and possibly something to gain.

Lance always takes the path of least of resistance to his self-interest, but he has no monopoly on such behavior.

What distinguishes him is he is proactive about hurting/bullying others, even when they are innocent, if he believes it serves his self-interest. That's what makes him an ahole.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I would say one's perception of truth is subjective. But there is also objective truth.


I'm not convinced Floyd "I didn't use Testosterone" did it.

Also, Lance is right that Floyd finally spoke up also only for self-serving reasons, when he had nothing left to lose, and possibly something to gain.

Lance always takes the path of least of resistance to his self-interest, but he has no monopoly on such behavior.

What distinguishes him is he is proactive about hurting/bullying others, even when they are innocent, if he believes it serves his self-interest. That's what makes him an ahole.

That's a subjective assessment.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I would say one's perception of truth is subjective. But there is also objective truth.


I'm not convinced Floyd "I didn't use Testosterone" did it.

Also, Lance is right that Floyd finally spoke up also only for self-serving reasons, when he had nothing left to lose, and possibly something to gain.

Lance always takes the path of least of resistance to his self-interest, but he has no monopoly on such behavior.

What distinguishes him is he is proactive about hurting/bullying others, even when they are innocent, if he believes it serves his self-interest. That's what makes him an ahole.

I am. I've seen thousands of people become honest about their lives, and you can smell it when it happens. There is a brutality to it that is unmistakable. And why he spoke up and how he spoke up are two different things. I didn't quit using drugs because I wanted to be a good person.

 

[DirtyWorks]

To take a dig at Bartali is the lowest of the low.

I can't let this one go. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_Bartali

Somehow, I don't see Wonderboy saving lives and directly risking his own in the process. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gino_Bartali#Bartali_in_wartime

 

[DirtyWorks]

Incredibly short memories from those that should be most aware and committed to ridding the sport of Lance.

Dave.

I bet the Wonderboy article gets killer click-throughs though. CN's playing the access game again.

It's reprehensible, but they can't NOT do the story.

 

[thirteen]

Seems like this latest interview is a technique in deflection, attempted dig at LeMond

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13822/Greg-LeMond-recovering-in-hospital-after-car-accident.aspx

great timing, as always.

 

[Benotti69]

and he absolutely did not write any of those words

My guess is Stapleton wrote this. Another idiot who deserves to go down with the ship SS Armstrong.

Let's see Benson show some balls and write the follow up questions;

1) Are you accusing LeMond, Hinault, Indurain and Bartali a dopers? Based on what?

2) Why are you not calling Verbruggen pathetic?

3) Why should everyone get the same punishment? No everyone doped the same!

C'mon Benson write a follow up email and if you dont get a repy publish it any way?

 

[euphrades]

1) Are you accusing LeMond, Hinault, Indurain and Bartali a dopers? Based on what?

I don't think he was pointing the finger at the individuals; he was pointing to their generation. Not trying to defend Armstrong but sometimes people look for him to do malice.

Lemonds Era; Fignon adminission, Delgado positive, Gert Jan T positive, Roche's positive, and etc.

Indurain's Era; just watch the 1992 first ITT where Indurain puts over 3 minutes on the second place finisher. Chicapucci, Rominger, Riis adminssion.

Hinault Era, i am not sure

Bartali; not sure.

 

[coinneach]

I don't think he was pointing the finger at the individuals; he was pointing to their generation. Not trying to defend Armstrong but sometimes people look for him to do malice.



Bartali; not sure.

Bartali: clean....Coppi not (co-incodentally same combination of steady rider v exciting rider we have with Wiggins v Contador)

 

[webvan]

Well there is no doubt that all the champs went for whatever help was available, more or less reasonably, so doping has indeed been ingrained in cycling for ever...and when EPO arrived and changed the game completely (before that no drug could turrn a donkey into a racehorse as happened with Armstrong, GT wise at least) it was not a problem to go with the latest drug. What would Hinault have done? Quit ? After all he did ruin his knees by taking too much cortisone, everyone knows that.

But yes, it's not only about the doping it's about the bullying as a whole as frenchfry says, none of that should be forgiven, it's criminal behavior, truth and reconciliation will do nothing for that.

 

[sniper]

My guess is Stapleton wrote this. Another idiot who deserves to go down with the ship SS Armstrong.

Let's see Benson show some balls and write the follow up questions;

1) Are you accusing LeMond, Hinault, Indurain and Bartali a dopers? Based on what?

2) Why are you not calling Verbruggen pathetic?

3) Why should everyone get the same punishment? No everyone doped the same!

C'mon Benson write a follow up email and if you dont get a repy publish it any way?

4. did Pat and Hein know you were doping?

I have the feeling Lance is willing to answer it.

 

[thirteen]

Sports illustrated had a great article on Mike Anderson earlier this month:

SI: Do you think too much of the media focus has been on doping?

Anderson: It's not the doping. That's not the issue. I don't have this anger, or resentment toward David Millar [a cyclist who admitted doping]. I don't have this anger or resentment toward Marion Jones. Frankly, I think there are bigger problems in the world. But Lance Armstrong, it's the way he dealt with it. It could have been any other crime he was trying to conceal. The crime is not doping, it's the crime against human decency, against the truth, against contractual obligations.

in the end, it's not just about the doping; it's about so much more! yet Lance is trying to make it all about doping, only doping, and doping that is as common place as wiping your ar$e after taking a dump.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I don't think he was pointing the finger at the individuals; he was pointing to their generation.

Which, again, is not applicable. The assumptions are fundamentally wrong!
-Acting as if the effects of oxygen vector doping were always available.
-That the effects of oxygen vector doping are available to all. They are not.
-Another variation of "everyone did it" excuse.

There were modern-day Bartali-potential riders that just left because of oxygen vector doping. ex. Edwig Van Hooydonck

Wonderboy and the rest of the dopers cheated them and Wonderboy wants to act like that didn't happen.

Thirteen's post is more concise than mine. Same idea.

 

[Descender]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13822/Greg-LeMond-recovering-in-hospital-after-car-accident.aspx

great timing, as always.

Am I the only one who is slightly disturbed by this?