Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

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International Observer said:
It's the impression she paints, obviously. Are you denying she creates the impression? What is you position?
I thought Pantani was the painter?

So it something she 'paints'.

International Observer said:
Find something to correct me on. If you can't, why not join the debate?

When do you think Frankie gave the interview on the Armstrong lie. I think it is highly likely to be at least six months. What is your opinion or are you just going to troll?
What?

I am merely correcting you, why would you consider that trolling? I thought you wanted a discussion?
 
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ok ok enough with this.
I wish I had time to wipe out all the garbage that has been posted lately, but I can't. Maybe one of my colleagues will, later.
 
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BroDeal said:
Yes, he did. He spent post after post banging on about the freep article.

Look, we get it. You wrote a bunch of nonsense and now are regretting it. Perhaps you should take responsibility for what you write instead of slinging insults?

It is clear that I did not lie, nor do I work for Fabiani, nor am I controlled by some LeMond led cabal that took down Lance. Your increasingly irrational posting is not my fault.
 

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BroDeal said:
Yes, he did. He spent post after post banging on about the freep article.
He did- and then someone else came along and brought up that article AND the movie. RR responded to that too.

Not long after you came along with your 'Al Sharpton' reference, completely missing what RR was on about.
 
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ok ok enough with this.
I wish I had time to wipe out all the garbage that has been posted lately, but I can't. Maybe one of my colleagues will, later.
Please use delete as spam on BPC.
 
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The LeMonds testified truthfully

...in the interests of making sure that things are on the straight and narrow could you please explain how you define the term truthfully in view of the following excerpts from the SCA trial...the exchange below is between Betsy Andreu and the defending attorney defending Tailwind ( this taken from a reference in an earlier post in this thread )

" Q. Now, you're aware that both Greg and Kathy LeMond testified that you told them that Mr. Armstrong had called your house in a panic because he was out of EPO, and he wanted some from Frank?

A. No, that's not right.

Q. It was a lie by both LeMonds?

A. That was incorrect.

Q. Well, it was a lie?

A. That was incorrect by the LeMonds. I don't know - how they got that.

Q. Are you aware that both LeMonds testified that you told them that you had witnessed Mr. Armstrong inject himself with performance-enhancing drugs?

A. No. That Lance told Frankie that.

Q. Well, are you aware that both of the LeMonds testified that you told them that?

A. No.

Q. If they did so testify, that would be a lie, wouldn't it?

A. That would be incorrect, yes.

Q. So it's your testimony that you never told either the -- either of the LeMonds the two stories that I just mentioned; right?

A. Correct.

Q. And you didn't tell them that because that never happened?

A. Correct. "

...and this exchange between Julian DeVriese, a Belgian mechanic who worked for Lemond and later for the Postal Service team, and the attorney defending Tailwind in the SCA trial ...here DeVriese was asked in the trial process to address specifically the accusations the Lemonds attributed to him about LA's drug use...


"Q. In your service as a mechanic for the USPS, did you ever observe Lance Armstrong engage in any prohibited conduct including, but not limited to, the use of any performance enhancing substance (“PES”)?

A. No.

Q. Did you ever observe any member of the USPS team use PES?

A. No.

Q. Did you ever assist in the procurement, transportation or disposal of any PES for the USPS or any member of the team?

A. No.

Q. Were you ever told by any member, coach, trainer or director of the USPS that any PES had been used by any USPS team member?

A. No.

Q. Did you tell Greg LeMond that you had attended a training camp in the Pyrenees with Kevin Livingston, Tyler Hamilton, Lance Armstrong and Dr. Ferrari where they were using large amounts of drugs which were new, out of the system in 48 hours and could never be detected?

A. No, I did not. While I attended some training camps, I have never met a Dr. Ferrari. In fact, if you put 100 people in front of me I could not recognize him.

Q. Did you tell Kathy LeMond that Lance Armstrong had a positive drug test in 1999 for cortisone?

A. I may have mentioned that, I do not recall. However, that was reported in the newspapers, so it was no secret. I was told that it resulted from a cortisone cream used to treat saddle-sores, which are common among professional cyclists.

Q. Did you tell Kathy LeMond that the team security back-dated prescription for the cortisone?

A. No.

Q. Did you tell Kathy LeMond that the UCI and/or the President of the UCI was paid $500,000 to keep quiet about the 1999 positive?

A. No. I am a bicycle mechanic and I would have no knowledge or information regarding such things, anyway.

Q. Did you tell Greg LeMond in April, 2001 that a French investigation dealing with the 2000 Tour de France was dismissed because you signed a false or fraudulent affidavit?

A. No.

Q. Did Lance Armstrong or Bill Stapleton request you to sign a false affidavit in connection with that investigation?

A. No.

Q. Did you tell Greg LeMond or Kathy LeMond that the USPS team had refrigerators (“frigos”) on the bus for the purpose of keeping prohibited performance enhancing drugs refrigerated?

A. No.

Q. Did you tell Emma O’Reilly that you transported drugs to members of the USPS team via a hollowed-out heel on your clogs?

A. No. Furthermore, I do not wear or own a pair of clogs.

Q. Did you, at a dinner in Perne la Fontaine, in July 2000, with Vera, Stephan, Dean Brewer, Jorge Jasson and the LeMond’s and their children present, tell those at dinner about a three-week training camp where the riders, including Lance, were on IVs doing drugs and experimenting with a drug that’s undetectable and out of the system in 48 hours?

A. No. I recall going to dinner the night after the reunion and that my wife and son were there. However, there was no conversation about PES by USPS or anyone else. I would never discuss any such topic at a dinner with my family or children.

Q. Did you, at the 10-year reunion in July, 2000 tell Greg or Kathy Lemond about any PES use by the USPS team or its members?

A. No.



Q. In your service as a mechanic for the USPS, did you ever observe Lance Armstrong engage in any prohibited conduct including, but not limited to, the use of any performance enhancing substance (“PES”)?

A. No.

Q. Did you ever observe any member of the USPS team use PES?

A. No.

Q. Did you ever assist in the procurement, transportation or disposal of any PES for the USPS or any member of the team?

A. No.

Q. Were you ever told by any member, coach, trainer or director of the USPS that any PES had been used by any USPS team member?

A. No.

Q. Did you tell Greg LeMond that you had attended a training camp in the Pyrenees with Kevin Livingston, Tyler Hamilton, Lance Armstrong and Dr. Ferrari where they were using large amounts of drugs which were new, out of the system in 48 hours and could never be detected?

A. No, I did not. While I attended some training camps, I have never met a Dr. Ferrari. In fact, if you put 100 people in front of me I could not recognize him.

Q. Did you tell Kathy LeMond that Lance Armstrong had a positive drug test in 1999 for cortisone?

A. I may have mentioned that, I do not recall. However, that was reported in the newspapers, so it was no secret. I was told that it resulted from a cortisone cream used to treat saddle-sores, which are common among professional cyclists.

Q. Did you tell Kathy LeMond that the team security back-dated prescription for the cortisone?

A. No.

Q. Did you tell Kathy LeMond that the UCI and/or the President of the UCI was paid $500,000 to keep quiet about the 1999 positive?

A. No. I am a bicycle mechanic and I would have no knowledge or information regarding such things, anyway.

Q. Did you tell Greg LeMond in April, 2001 that a French investigation dealing with the 2000 Tour de France was dismissed because you signed a false or fraudulent affidavit?

A. No.

Q. Did Lance Armstrong or Bill Stapleton request you to sign a false affidavit in connection with that investigation?

A. No.

Q. Did you tell Greg LeMond or Kathy LeMond that the USPS team had refrigerators (“frigos”) on the bus for the purpose of keeping prohibited performance enhancing drugs refrigerated?

A. No.

Q. Did you tell Emma O’Reilly that you transported drugs to members of the USPS team via a hollowed-out heel on your clogs?

A. No. Furthermore, I do not wear or own a pair of clogs.

Q. Did you, at a dinner in Perne la Fontaine, in July 2000, with Vera, Stephan, Dean Brewer, Jorge Jasson and the LeMond’s and their children present, tell those at dinner about a three-week training camp where the riders, including Lance, were on IVs doing drugs and experimenting with a drug that’s undetectable and out of the system in 48 hours?

A. No. I recall going to dinner the night after the reunion and that my wife and son were there. However, there was no conversation about PES by USPS or anyone else. I would never discuss any such topic at a dinner with my family or children.

Q. Did you, at the 10-year reunion in July, 2000 tell Greg or Kathy Lemond about any PES use by the USPS team or its members?

A. No."

...now I'm sure there is a perfectly good explanation for the lack of a straight forward story-line here in the various sworn testimonies but I am not, at this time, privy to that explanation, but gosh darn it, I would dearly love to hear it...because on the face of it, someone is fibbing up a storm, and hardly being fully truthful...

Cheers
 
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Dr. Maserati said:
He did- and then someone else came along and brought up that article AND the movie. RR responded to that too.

Not long after you came along with your 'Al Sharpton' reference, completely missing what RR was on about.

Don't waste your time, he has already admitted he does not read your posts....or, apparently, mine.
 
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Dr. Maserati said:
He did- and then someone else came along and brought up that article AND the movie. RR responded to that too.

Not long after you came along with your 'Al Sharpton' reference, completely missing what RR was on about.

RR's first post with the article link:

Armstrong back to his old games, smearing people who told the truth. Today's target, Frankie and Betsy

From the third post:

“I know Frankie was part of the whole system as well,”
Really George? Did Frankie do transfusions? Was he part of the group that got access to the camper and motoman in 99?

And then it continues on from there:

So "Whole systems" means everything except Ferrari, Transfusions, Motoman, The camper, del Moral......etc?

It is comical to pretend that Frankie's doping was to the same level as George and lance. Revisionist history designed to smear Frankie

It is clearly an attempt by Lance and George to smear the Andreu's. Pretending Frankie was equal to lance and George is obvious

These are all misrepresentations of he article.
 

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blutto said:
...in the interests of making sure that things are on the straight and narrow could you please explain how you define the term truthfully in view of the following excerpts from the SCA trial...the exchange below is between Betsy Andreu and the defending attorney defending Tailwind ( this taken from a reference in an earlier post in this thread )
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...now I'm sure there is a perfectly good explanation for the lack of a straight forward story-line here in the various sworn testimonies but I am not, at this time, privy to that explanation, but gosh darn it, I would dearly love to hear it...because on the face of it, someone is fibbing up a storm, and hardly being fully truthful...

Cheers
Pretty simple.

If I was called to testify in a case against say, Floyd Landis - and I was asked did I ever read or hear that he had a blood bag poured down the toilet by Bruyneel because he was going to another team. I would say "yes" and show the IM between JV & FA.

I am being truthful, even though the story does not appear to be factual.
 
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blutto said:
...in the interests of making sure that things are on the straight and narrow could you please explain how you define the term truthfully in view of the following excerpts from the SCA trial...the exchange below is between Betsy Andreu and the defending attorney defending Tailwind ( this taken from a reference in an earlier post in this thread )

Don't forget this:

Q. Okay. Have you -- you believe that your
husband always performed by the rules and so forth,
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A. I'm -- pretty much, yes.
Q. Okay. And you know that Mr. Swart came in
here and testified by videotape earlier and accused
your husband of -- of being on a drug program. Do you
know that?
7 A. He accused Frankie of being on a drug
8 program?
9 Q. Right.
lOA. No, I didn't know that. I didn't know.
11 Q. Anyway, you've never seen any evidence that
12 Frankie Andreu did anything wrong, have you?
13 A. He's my husband, and I'm not going to answer
14 that question.

But don't worry. I am pretty sure that in the mid 90s Andreu only used EPO once or twice at band camp before hitting it hard in the late 90s.
 
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BroDeal said:
RR's first post with the article link:



From the third post:



And then it continues on from there:





These are all misrepresentations of he article.


That's it? You spent days calling me a liar who works for Mark Fabiani and talks like Al Sharpton and that is all you got? Really?

It is clear that for the last several months George has been trying to smear Frankie. He has said that the first time he saw dope was in Frankie fridge, the Frankie supplied him with drugs, told him where to buy it, how to use it. George, and lance, and tried to paint the picture that everyone was the same. It was a level playing field. Everyone did it and all the wives looked the other way.

You bought into the smear, the rest of us did not. That does not make me a liar.
 

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BroDeal said:
RR's first post with the article link:


From the third post:

And then it continues on from there:


These are all misrepresentations of he article.
No, they are not - they are interpretations.

You are allowed to disagree and come up with your own - instead you said RR was deliberately lying and inventing things, all the while missing that the conversation at the time included references to the movie.
 
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Dr. Maserati said:
Pretty simple.

If I was called to testify in a case against say, Floyd Landis - and I was asked did I ever read or hear that he had a blood bag poured down the toilet by Bruyneel because he was going to another team. I would say "yes" and show the IM between JV & FA.

I am being truthful, even though the story does not appear to be factual.

Not so simple. If Floyd told you his blood was poured down the toilet then it would be equivalent. Here we have the LeMonds testifying Betsy told them that she saw Armstrong inject EPO and Armstrong sought out her husband when he ran out of EPO. The deposition around what blutto posted is full of questions about Betsy's motives and reliability. There is lots of stuff about journalists saying they were hounded by her but she says it was one or two calls.
 
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Race Radio said:
That's it? You spent days calling me a liar who works for Mark Fabiani and talks like Al Sharpton and that is all you got? Really?

You are the one who decided to use the statements from the freep article to smear Hincapie. You made a mountain out of molehill.

Maybe if you were a little more honest then people would not call you a liar.

But, hey, no one listen to me. I am taking orders from Darth Armstrong, just like everyone who disagrees with RR.
 
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No, they are not - they are interpretations.

You are allowed to disagree and come up with your own - instead you said RR was deliberately lying and inventing things, all the while missing that the conversation at the time included references to the movie.

It is hard to misinterpret Lance and George's goal when they talked to Frankie's hometown newspaper for an article alludes that they are not being truthful

Lance has been pushing the narrative that "Everyone was doing it" "Level Playing field" he even tries to paint Betsy as the same as Kristen. What does George think? He thinks Frankie and him are the same, Frankie just stopped earlier

Just because one of us stopped before the others doesn’t make him a better person.”

Simplistic thinking by George. He thinks the only difference between him and Frankie is that Frankie stopped earlier. Pointing out that this is nonsense makes me a liar in BroDeal's book.
 
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No, they are not - they are interpretations.

It was not a misrepresentation. The article clearly states that Hincapie was referring to cycling's doping problem as a whole. RR turned that into Postal specific blood transfusion program. He did it for a purpose: To attack Armstrong through Hincapie.
 

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BroDeal said:
Not so simple. If Floyd told you his blood was poured down the toilet then it would be equivalent. Here we have the LeMonds testifying Betsy told them that she saw Armstrong inject EPO and Armstrong sought out her husband when he ran out of EPO. The deposition around what blutto posted is full of questions about Betsy's motives and reliability. There is lots of stuff about journalists saying they were hounded by her but she says it was one or two calls.

Bluttos 'questions' are about the LeMonds, not Betsy.
What RR is to you, the LeMonds are to Blutto.

As for Floyd, ya - the first person is a better example.
If you were under oath in a case against RR - you would say how he deliberately lied etc you might believe that, therefore its 'truthful testimony' even though the actual scenario is very different.
 
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BroDeal said:
You are the one who decided to use the statements from the freep article to smear Hincapie. You made a mountain out of molehill.

Maybe if you were a little more honest then people would not call you a liar.

But, hey, no one listen to me. I am taking orders from Darth Armstrong, just like everyone who disagrees with RR.

There is only one person here calling me a liar, and so far you have produced nothing to support that insult....yet continue to toss it out there in hopes that people will not call you on it.
 
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BroDeal said:
Don't forget this:

Q. Okay. Have you -- you believe that your
husband always performed by the rules and so forth,
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A. I'm -- pretty much, yes.
Q. Okay. And you know that Mr. Swart came in
here and testified by videotape earlier and accused
your husband of -- of being on a drug program. Do you
know that?
7 A. He accused Frankie of being on a drug
8 program?
9 Q. Right.
lOA. No, I didn't know that. I didn't know.
11 Q. Anyway, you've never seen any evidence that
12 Frankie Andreu did anything wrong, have you?
13 A. He's my husband, and I'm not going to answer
14 that question.

But don't worry. I am pretty sure that in the mid 90s Andreu only used EPO once or twice at band camp before hitting it hard in the late 90s.

That's really not fair. All she did was invoke her spousal privilege. You can't infer anything one way or the other about that.

If you're into what Swart said, you ought to rely on Swart himself.
 
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BroDeal said:
It was not a misrepresentation. The article clearly states that Hincapie was referring to cycling's doping problem as a whole. RR turned that into Postal specific blood transfusion program. He did it for a purpose: To attack Armstrong through Hincapie.

Why do you lie?
 
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Race Radio said:
There is only one person here calling me a liar, and so far you have produced nothing to support that insult....yet continue to toss it out there in hopes that people will not call you on it.

Gosh. It sounds like not only your own tactics but your very own language, doesn't it?

I would post more but I have to get back to Armstrong HQ to find out what I am supposed to think.
 
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Pretty simple.

If I was called to testify in a case against say, Floyd Landis - and I was asked did I ever read or hear that he had a blood bag poured down the toilet by Bruyneel because he was going to another team. I would say "yes" and show the IM between JV & FA.

I am being truthful, even though the story does not appear to be factual.

...a most perfectly SOPHISTicated response....thank you...

Cheers
 
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Race Radio said:
There is only one person here calling me a liar, and so far you have produced nothing to support that insult....yet continue to toss it out there in hopes that people will not call you on it.

The rules forbid calling other posters liars. Both you and Brodeal have been calling each other liars (or directly implying it) for the past couple of days.