Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[TexPat]

its only been what....15 minutes? Just enough time for me to edit and/or move a swag of OT and/or insulting posts. So its time to do a thehog:



good post bison

Just wanted you all to know that I love you. Equally, but for different reasons.
I hope that know one finds this insulting or OT.
Peace from the Land of the Long White Cloud.

P.S. Mr. Gunderson is hosed. And has NOT apologised for insinuating that I worship the Dark Lord. In fact, it is Beer that I love. And fair play, of course.

 

[Merckx index]

Merckx probably meant Moncoutie.

I stand corrected. I didn't think it was Bassons, but couldn't think of anyone else.

As RR said, this is not the thread to rehash all that stuff, but it would be interesting if he would expand on what he implied about Moncoutie.

 

[frenchfry]

It's in Phinney's book...

No need for another thread. There shouldn't be any dispute.

Dave.

And we all now know that everything we read in a book should be treated like fact...

 

[Freddythefrog]

What a friend we have in Lancey, all our sins and griefs to...

I'm reminded of this:
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/columns/story?id=3713156

The Phinneys regard this venture as a brilliant merger of common interests and goals, enhanced by a deep personal connection. They trust Armstrong unwaveringly and are confident he will marshal the right resources to bring Taylor along.

They're also aware that Armstrong will be seen as a dubious mentor by those who view him with suspicion or worse because of the perennial doping allegations against him.

"I'm sure we're going to get a lot of flak," Davis Phinney said. "Connie and I are just going to have to absorb that. Lance is my friend, and I believe in him. I've been around the guy quite a bit lately, and I think there's no better person to usher my son into the sport."

Added Carpenter, who first met Armstrong when he was a teenaged triathlete: "We have broad shoulders."

"This was the opportunity to create something new," Carpenter said. "I think my child will get an incredible civics lesson being under [Armstrong's] wing, as well as lessons in being a great bike racer."

Now, if I were the cynical type...

That is a humdinger lol. Look - get away from the Lance machine press BS, which this undoubtedly is, the Phinneys would know who was doing what in 1982, they would have been fully aware of Carmichael and his attitude. They would not have needed the Strock case to get to court to know the truth of the matter and exactly what was going on with the juniors like Lance and George and others of that generation. The concept that they and the sport savvy people in the entourage that followed Lance around and basked in the glowing light of his star, would not know the lie at the centre of the story is incredible. That you then allow your son to be associated with the guy running what you very clearly understand is the biggest sporting scam ever, can only mean one thing. Now he is with Cadel at BMC.

I know for a lot it is like taking that yellow bracelet off for the last time.

Granville, two days and two posts that have brightened my day - thanks.

 

[M Sport]

Page 70 of the 1st edition of Wheelmen. George is very clear, Frankie brought EPO in Switzerland for him and others. This is a lie designed to smear Frankie.

How many editions are there? The book only got published at the end of last year and I have read through it albeit very very quickly. Do you or someone else mind posting a picture of the relevant paragraph on that page. I think this is quite an important point and one that needs to be verified.

I know a similar claim came up about Frankie injecting or opening vials of vitamins in front of David Millar in 1997 and that was clarified by someone posting a photo of the page in question.

If that is of interest I will post it?

 

[ChewbaccaD]

its only been what....15 minutes? Just enough time for me to edit and/or move a swag of OT and/or insulting posts. So its time to do a thehog:



good post bison

You're my favorite moderator...dam*it, no sweetheart smiley...

 

[mewmewmew13]

Back on topic folks,

Tomorrow, or Tuesday, there should be a ruling on if the panel can hear the SCA case. I think wonderboy is hosed.

How quickly will he settle?

yay from my 'groupthink' mind! He above all others DESERVES it.

oh wait..is this ok to say? I forgot to get cleared from the cult to post..

 

[ebandit]

make your bed................

mew lance sure does deserve all he gets

i'm a simple guy but how can legal professionals come up with 'ok lance lied
about SCA but now he should be protected by the law and not return $'

it's not just the bank robbers we need to be concerned about

Mark L

 

[mewmewmew13]

mew lance sure does deserve all he gets

i'm a simple guy but how can legal professionals come up with 'ok lance lied
about SCA but now he should be protected by the law and not return $'

it's not just the bank robbers we need to be concerned about

Mark L

That's it..I am totally justice- oriented..no one should be able to act unjustly or without conscience toward another and get away with it.

The others that are sneaking out of some sort of punishment or probation as well…Lance was just the top of the dirt pile. I love it if his money can't buy him a pass...

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Page 70 of the 1st edition of Wheelmen. George is very clear, Frankie brought EPO in Switzerland for him and others. This is a lie designed to smear Frankie. George is a good guy, I bet he feels badly for inventing this

If you actually read my posts you would know that

How many editions are there? The book only got published at the end of last year and I have read through it albeit very very quickly. Do you or someone else mind posting a picture of the relevant paragraph on that page. I think this is quite an important point and one that needs to be verified.

I know a similar claim came up about Frankie injecting or opening vials of vitamins in front of David Millar in 1997 and that was clarified by someone posting a photo of the page in question.

If that is of interest I will post it?

Its there alright, here is a screenshot of the page from Wheelmen.

 

[D-Queued]

And we all now know that everything we read in a book should be treated like fact...

Dave.

 

[Race Radio]

Its there alright, here is a screenshot of the page from Wheelmen.

It is only in early editions of the book. All future editions, and the E-Book, have it removed. It it clear that it was un-supported and most likely designed to smear Frankie.

 

[blackcat]

As a beginning cyclist Armstrong's devo group had the best program , resources and opportunity in the country. It was a great place to be a young cyclist and it was high profile..

On the other side of the coin..Taylor was shuttled out of Armstrong's team very rapidly a couple of years later and it was obvious that mom & dad wanted NO association with Lance and his impending collapse if you remember. Completely cut all ties.

Connie is definitely in charge of her son's training and management. She always has been.
She used to talk to Lance in public if you are insinuating that by speaking in public to a doper makes you one as well…she is most definitely anti doping.

actually, that is not my recollection.

Armstrong wished him to be in his orbit, on Radio Shack.

A Hincapie of the new era.

(big) Respect to TP, he was his own man, and tookl the money on offer from BMC. And would not be captured/co-opted in Armstrong's orbit.

anyone else with more info, and better info that my second and third hand Cyclingnews articles. When there are a wealth of Boulder contributors, they will have first hand and be on the money.

In my defense, I may indeed have it ar$se backwards and mewmew be right on the money and in the inner sanctum in Boulder.

131313?

(apologies folks if I have my facts wrong)

 

[DirtyWorks]

actually, that is not my recollection.

Armstrong wished him to be in his orbit, on Radio Shack.

A Hincapie of the new era.

(big) Respect to TP, he was his own man, and tookl the money on offer from BMC. And would not be captured/co-opted in Armstrong's orbit.

Peripheral to this is Thom Wiesel spending USACDF's funds searching for the next Lance-like brand. This was made clear in promoter meetings lead by the regional managers years and years ago. Sorry, no documentation of which I'm aware.

I imagined Taylor was perfect for the job. He is blessed with fantastic genes, and father with a sympathetic medical story, parents are very beloved cycling characters. A high probability of success on a leading-edge PED regimen. And if not? Find the next candidate.

 

[mewmewmew13]

actually, that is not my recollection.

Armstrong wished him to be in his orbit, on Radio Shack.

A Hincapie of the new era.

(big) Respect to TP, he was his own man, and tookl the money on offer from BMC. And would not be captured/co-opted in Armstrong's orbit.

anyone else with more info, and better info that my second and third hand Cyclingnews articles. When there are a wealth of Boulder contributors, they will have first hand and be on the money.

In my defense, I may indeed have it ar$se backwards and mewmew be right on the money and in the inner sanctum in Boulder.

131313?

(apologies folks if I have my facts wrong)

blackcat I actually am agreeing w you..what I wrote is not clear as I can see rereading it..
by 'shuttling out' I mean that mom & dad swooped in and distanced the Lance connection asap! Yes, Lance wanted Taylor on his team and then I remember the childishness of Armstrong when after that he refused to talk to young Phinney at all…for quite a long time gave him the cold shoulder

remember that earlier on Davis and Lance were good friends..I do not know if they still are ..can't imagine ..but I am not them so do not know..

 

[Granville57]

FWIW, I was reminded of this story: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/phinney-explains-decision-to-sign-with-bmc-racing-team

including his friendship with Armstrong, who [Taylor] Phinney revealed, had broken off all communication ever since Ochowicz made his first offer.

However, we had a chat with Lance, Bart Knaggs and Johan [Bruyneel] just to let them know that Jim had put in an offer and Lance had to leave half way because I think Senator Kerry was on the other line. I've tried to call, email and text and I've not really heard anything.

That's our Lance!

 

[Oldman]

That's it..I am totally justice- oriented..no one should be able to act unjustly or without conscience toward another and get away with it.

The others that are sneaking out of some sort of punishment or probation as well…Lance was just the top of the dirt pile. I love it if his money can't buy him a pass...

Honestly I think he's still hoping Weisel will cover his nut for favorable testimony so the Postal case has diminished fines. Have no idea if the number and voracity of participants in that case affect the financial penalties but that's what everyone has to fear.

 

[mewmewmew13]

That's our Lance!

Reading through these old article is strange is it not?

gotta love the tag lines…
"Reveals strained relationship with Lance Armstrong"

The Pre-Armstrong fall…we all knew it in the Clinic but no one else did….

ahh…hindsight..
'Phinney can't wait "to Impress the KING"'
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/columns/story?id=3713156

 

[mewmewmew13]

Honestly I think he's still hoping Weisel will cover his nut for favorable testimony so the Postal case has diminished fines. Have no idea if the number and voracity of participants in that case affect the financial penalties but that's what everyone has to fear.

I still wonder if he will try to further incriminate Weisel and throw him under the bus...

so many tactics for Lance..so little time

 

[Race Radio]

Honestly I think he's still hoping Weisel will cover his nut for favorable testimony so the Postal case has diminished fines. Have no idea if the number and voracity of participants in that case affect the financial penalties but that's what everyone has to fear.

I don't think this is the case. If anything Lance has been trying to get the Feds to draw Weisel into the case, currently he is not. This means that when Lance loses he will have to sue Thom to get some money from him.

We could be talking about this for years folks......years

 

[mewmewmew13]

Always one of my favorites. Look me in the eye, Allen.


http://www.bicycling.com/video/atoc-allen-lim-addresses-allegations#/search/allen%20lim/created/d/1

I don't trust him

 

[mewmewmew13]

Just wanted you all to know that I love you. Equally, but for different reasons.
I hope that know one finds this insulting or OT.
Peace from the Land of the Long White Cloud.

P.S. Mr. Gunderson is hosed. And has NOT apologised for insinuating that I worship the Dark Lord. In fact, it is Beer that I love. And fair play, of course.

HOW did I miss this post

reason does exist in this thread..

 

[Granville57]

In all seriousness, maybe a mod could move everything from Post # 5855...

We seem to have heard very little (if anything at all recently) from David "Tiger" Williams.

up until here, into one of the Floyd threads?

I take the blame for the sidetrack.

(Now just let me go and find the right Floyd thread...)

 

[mewmewmew13]

In all seriousness, maybe a mod could move everything from Post # 5855...


up until here, into one of the Floyd threads?

I take the blame for the sidetrack.

(Now just let me go and find the right Floyd thread...)

is there an Allen Lim thread?

sittingBison sorry for the thread clutter…I agree w Gville

 

[Granville57]

is there an Allen Lim thread?

Well I just sifted through five pages of different Landis threads

to find this one:
Official "another interesting piece I found on Floyd Landis" Thread
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?p=726407&


Here is a nice Allen Lim thread (with links to other Allen Lim threads! )
Let's talk about Allen Lim
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=18077&


Have at it, Bison!