Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[TheEnoculator]

What the hell is an "international tribunal" and what in the bloody blue hell does that have to do with cycling?

BTW, love the "USADA has no jurisdiction" nonsense, they do but someone hasn't informed Wonderboy yet.

If USADA had no jurisdiction, then the ban wouldn't have been recognized by WADA-sanctioned events. And he would have been able to compete. Yet he's sitting at home holding his ball. Ha!

 

[Race Radio]

Today's mess has little to to with USADA or WADA.....it is all about the criminal case, the Qui Tam and co-conspirators.

USADA is the least of Lance's concerns

 

[thehog]

Today's mess has little to to with USADA or WADA.....it is all about the criminal case, the Qui Tam and co-conspirators.

USADA is the least of Lance's concerns

http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/1934281

The U.S. Department of Justice soon will have another tough decision to make about Lance Armstrong.

Should it join forces with a confessed cheater — Floyd Landis — to pursue the vast fortunes of his former cheating teammate?

Or should it move on from cycling's vicious cycle ?

After nearly three years of consideration, that's the bottom line now as the government decides what to do with a civil fraud lawsuit filed by Landis against Armstrong in 2010. A decision could come this week. And the stakes could exceed $90 million.

"It is no small potatoes," said Jason Workmaster, a Washington D.C. attorney who specializes in similar cases.

In recent weeks, the federal government has been mulling its options. It could join Landis' suit and seek nearly $100 million in damages from Armstrong and their former associates on the U.S. Postal Service cycling team. Or it could let Landis pursue it on his own .

 

[BroDeal]

http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/1934281

It seems to me that the liability might be quite small. Armstrong, Wiesel, and co. will argue that USPS received advertising value that exceeded what it paid.

 

[Race Radio]

It seems to me that the liability might be quite small. Armstrong, Wiesel, and co. will argue that USPS received advertising value that exceeded what it paid.

True.....that and what ever political influence they can exert

 

[sittingbison]

It seems to me that the liability might be quite small. Armstrong, Wiesel, and co. will argue that USPS received advertising value that exceeded what it paid.

but now their "brand" or name is forever associated with the "greatest sporting fraud in history".

It doesn't really matter what the benefits perceived or otherwise, its that the Federal money was being used for fraud. Which is a crime

 

[Race Radio]

but now their "brand" or name is forever associated with the "greatest sporting fraud in history".

It doesn't really matter what the benefits perceived or otherwise, its that the Federal money was being used for fraud. Which is a crime

This is very true, and it will be of help if the Feds decide not to join. Floyd can still proceed on his own and succeed.

 

[mewmewmew13]

This is very true, and it will be of help if the Feds decide not to join. Floyd can still proceed on his own and succeed.

Go Floyd!

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[thirteen]

Go Floyd!

unleash hell!

 

[Steel4Ever]

Armstrong, Wiesel, and co. will argue that USPS received advertising value that exceeded what it paid.

but now their "brand" or name is forever associated with the "greatest sporting fraud in history".

Guess Liestrong's "advertising value" is why they had to shut down Saturday service.

 

[blackcat]

Today's mess has little to to with USADA or WADA.....it is all about the criminal case, the Qui Tam and co-conspirators.

USADA is the least of Lance's concerns

Mike Rann and the SA Government have a motivation to run a Tim Tam case
*latin for antipode gullibility

Rann not only from Adelaide, but also from NZ. He is like the worst gestalt

 

[reginagold]

This is very true, and it will be of help if the Feds decide not to join. Floyd can still proceed on his own and succeed.

Looks like the money's there to pay if Floyd wins. See "Armstrong's cheating won record riches of more than 218 million" Bloomberg story below.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...n-record-riches-of-more-than-218-million.html

 

[ChewbaccaD]

This is very true, and it will be of help if the Feds decide not to join. Floyd can still proceed on his own and succeed.

I don't want to be Debbie Downer here, but my guess is that the Feds will not join, and while Floyd CAN proceed, I doubt he would want to as pursuing it would cost a fortune.

I think Lance is going to win this round. He may well win other rounds too.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

It seems to me that the liability might be quite small. Armstrong, Wiesel, and co. will argue that USPS received advertising value that exceeded what it paid.

If the argument is that the government would not have entered into the contract at all if they'd known, then the measure of damages has nothing to do with benefit, and only relates to the entire outlay of money that would not have happened if they'd known. The advertising value would have no bearing on that argument.

 

[zigmeister]

but now their "brand" or name is forever associated with the "greatest sporting fraud in history".

It doesn't really matter what the benefits perceived or otherwise, its that the Federal money was being used for fraud. Which is a crime

Of the billions a year that people defraud the Federal government out of, Pharmstrong and company are a minute drop in the proverbial bucket.

I honestly don't care. The USPS service has signs up at the local branch saying they are NOT Federally Funded.

Yet, they defaulted on Federal government loans again...sounds like public tax money/debt that is funding the post office to me.

The least of USPS/Federal government's issue is Lance and the money they spent on advertising....is it fraud? Yep..no doubt.

But, there is a reason the Fed Attyn's dropped the case.


Next issue I have, Tygart. What a sham this guy is. Attention w*ore, self-serving and holier than thou. On the one hand, congrats to him, on the other hand, he has too much shady contradictions.

His latest biggest farce is the nonsense about how "one of Armstrong's closest associates" contacted him offering "over $100K", or was it $150K....oh no, it's $250K he claims.

But, he refuses to name the person?!?!?! He claims he told the Feds and the attyn's handling the case who that person is???

So what Tygart? Who are you protecting? Yourself and your lies and appearances to the public and job?

The Feds dropped the case. You are under no obligation to NOT name names....tell all!!!!

But, Tygart seems to just give the information out that he feels people should hear about in his version he came up with during his investigation.

I tell you what Tygart. Why don't you let us be the judge of the information, give us all of it, not some filtered storied method you are using now to make yourself and your case look better and Lance worse. Things really can't get any worse for Lance now. So...why not give it to us?!?!!

Rant over....flame on.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Of the billions a year that people defraud the Federal government out of, Pharmstrong and company are a minute drop in the proverbial bucket.

I honestly don't care. The USPS service has signs up at the local branch saying they are NOT Federally Funded.

Yet, they defaulted on Federal government loans again...sounds like public tax money/debt that is funding the post office to me.

The least of USPS/Federal government's issue is Lance and the money they spent on advertising....is it fraud? Yep..no doubt.

But, there is a reason the Fed Attyn's dropped the case.


Next issue I have, Tygart. What a sham this guy is. Attention w*ore, self-serving and holier than thou. On the one hand, congrats to him, on the other hand, he has too much shady contradictions.

His latest biggest farce is the nonsense about how "one of Armstrong's closest associates" contacted him offering "over $100K", or was it $150K....oh no, it's $250K he claims.

But, he refuses to name the person?!?!?! He claims he told the Feds and the attyn's handling the case who that person is???

So what Tygart? Who are you protecting? Yourself and your lies and appearances to the public and job?

The Feds dropped the case. You are under no obligation to NOT name names....tell all!!!!

But, Tygart seems to just give the information out that he feels people should hear about in his version he came up with during his investigation.

I tell you what Tygart. Why don't you let us be the judge of the information, give us all of it, not some filtered storied method you are using now to make yourself and your case look better and Lance worse. Things really can't get any worse for Lance now. So...why not give it to us?!?!!

Rant over....flame on.

No point. Your kind of problem is incurable.

 

[blackcat]

If the argument is that the government would not have entered into the contract at all if they'd known, then the measure of damages has nothing to do with benefit, and only relates to the entire outlay of money that would not have happened if they'd known. The advertising value would have no bearing on that argument.

plus now the inverted advertising of the negative PR associated with the connection to the greatest sporting fraud in history.

put a dollar value on that negative.

 

[Race Radio]

I don't want to be Debbie Downer here, but my guess is that the Feds will not join, and while Floyd CAN proceed, I doubt he would want to as pursuing it would cost a fortune.

I think Lance is going to win this round. He may well win other rounds too.

I would tend to agree. Not necessarily on the merits of the case but on how long this has taken to move forward. It is very unusual that it takes 3 years for the government to join. The more delays the more likely that a decision is pushed up the chain. Political pressure is more effective. Add that there is increasing pressure to "cover your ***" after the mess of dropping the first criminal investigation.

I think the Feds walk from it, but Floyd can still move forward on his own. A key benefit of moving forward on his own is less political interference

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I would tend to agree. Not necessarily on the merits of the case but on how long this has taken to move forward. It is very unusual that it takes 3 years for the government to join. The more delays the more likely that a decision is pushed up the chain. Political pressure is more effective. Add that there is increasing pressure to "cover your ***" after the mess of dropping the first criminal investigation.

I think the Feds walk from it, but Floyd can still move forward on his own. A key benefit of moving forward on his own is less political interference

Maybe he can start a fairness fund to help pay for this Q-Tom case. Like this one.

http://hongkongphooeyfairnessfund.wordpress.com/

 

[D-Queued]

Maybe he can start a fairness fund to help pay for this Q-Tom case. Like this one.

http://hongkongphooeyfairnessfund.wordpress.com/

Dave.

 

[BroDeal]

I don't want to be Debbie Downer here, but my guess is that the Feds will not join, and while Floyd CAN proceed, I doubt he would want to as pursuing it would cost a fortune.

I think Lance is going to win this round. He may well win other rounds too.

The interesting thing will be how they will explain turning down the $5M that Armstrong offered to settle.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

The interesting thing will be how they will explain turning down the $5M that Armstrong offered to settle.

Interesting point. I hadn't thought of that, but that will complicate things for them.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

My favorite part of all of this is that Wonderboy and his merry band of shysters will never be able to say "We like our credibility" again.

 

[BroDeal]

Interesting point. I hadn't thought of that, but that will complicate things for them.

It is Eric Holder's DOJ. It will be seen as one more drop of incompetence in a rain storm of incompetence. It would be funny to contact a few Republican lawmakers about the loss of money and see if they run with it. Turning down $5M on behalf of the taxpayers seems like a club to use for political purposes.

 

[TheEnoculator]

One thing I never understand is if Armstrong never intended to talk to USADA, why did he ask for a deadline extension? Surely he knew from the beginning he would have to testify under oath and he knew he was lying left and right during his admission. Or he's just yanking Tygart's chains?