Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[Fortyninefourteen]

I have < 10 posts so I'll defer to moderators or a more experienced poster on whether its really time. I was just trying to think of something clever for the (...) part of the title.

How about:

"Things to make and do in cell block D"
"How to make a shiv using mashed potatoes"
"How to blend into the general population"

 

[Microchip]

Did some USPS money go elsewhere? I never understood why they needed to sell team bikes to fund doping? They were a rich team.

I don't know. Maybe they had to present a list of expenditures and money would be 'missing'. Or, have you ever noticed some rich people who hate parting with their own money for something they want? They may be a little like that.

 

[kingjr]

Gotta love his new twitter description:

"An optimist living in a pessimistic world".

rofl

 

[AcademyCC]

Question - Lemond said in his article with Kimmage in 2rmag that he bumped into Weisel and co at a restaurant during the 1998 tour. Weisel said to Lemond infront of the head of the US postal service (the woman who cut the sponsorship deal) 'What do you think about this ****? These guys are pro's they should be able to take whatever they want'

Obviously USPS knew, or the main people involved knew what was going to be happening re PEDS.

Is it just a case of throwing Lance under the bus and denying all knowledge?
Can Lance use this in any way to drag people down with him?
Does anyone here know other stories of USPS being aware of the doping program?

 

[BroDeal]

Did some USPS money go elsewhere? I never understood why they needed to sell team bikes to fund doping? They were a rich team.

You cannot put an entry in the books that says, "$300K spent on doping." Selling bikes and equipment on the sly puts the expenses off the books. You can also bet that managers and others were skimming some of that off-the-books money.

 

[Benotti69]

I don't know. Maybe they had to present a list of expenditures and money would be 'missing'. Or, have you ever noticed some rich people who hate parting with their own money for something they want? They may be a little like that.

Weisel, IMO would know how to 'cook the books' so it cant have been that.

I guess USPS money for the team went awol, so bikes were flogged.

 

[ElDepo]

Game over. This will reform cycling for the better. Let’s see Lance will be a future employee of Mellow Johnny’s sweeping floors and telling stories. The UCI will be exposed in federal court as will USA Cycling and maybe the IOC. A bunch of other people will get blown-up: (McQuaid, Verberggen, Wiesel, Bruyneel, Knaggs, Stapleton, Steve Johnson, Jim Ochowicz, and others I am sure).

 

[trompe le monde]

Gotta love his new twitter description:

"An optimist living in a pessimistic world".

rofl

That's pretty hilarious. Actually, unbelievably hilarious.

How on earth can someone who contributed a not insignificant slice of pessimism to the world by, oh I don't know, ruining people, slandering people, financially disenfranchising people, corrupting organizations, threatening people and organizing and enforcing a systematic doping ring in order to cheat his way into millions consider himself an optimist?

Oh what a wise sage, looking for the good in the world when he himself has done so much to tarnish large swaths of it.

Does Lance's bull**** know no bounds?

 

[Microchip]

What's the name of the founder of CN who was forced to eventually sell this site? (I know RR has said his name but that was a gazillion posts ago and I can't find it.)

Walsh said it right: Landis was a 'dangerous' enemy to make. Stupid of Lance not to look for a spot for him. (It's on the dreaded Velonews site )

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I hope the mods on this thread realize that I'm still bitter you all locked my "Will Lance get top or bottom bunk in prison" thread from about 18 months ago.

 

[Athame]

VeloNews, the jackmag for fanboys everywhere, said it was over yesterday. Turns out, they were wrong.

Read it and thought, wow: they're really playing up his "political" connections.
Then all the sudden this morning, WHAM! Ch*t got real!

 

[Benotti69]

You cannot put an entry in the books that says, "$300K spent on doping." Selling bikes and equipment on the sly puts the expenses off the books. You can also bet that managers and others were skimming some of that off-the-books money.

No but you can put 'training plans'.

 

[Deagol]

Some people will be disappointed.....but I doubt I will be one of them

Race Radio scores again!

Question for you: is the Qui Tam seperate from the criminal investigation ?
It seems like the answer is yes, so why do the feds join one but drop the other? Can the criminal investigation be revised?

 

[frenchfry]

That's pretty hilarious. Actually, unbelievably hilarious.

How on earth can someone who contributed a not insignificant slice of pessimism to the world by, oh I don't know, ruining people, slandering people, financially disenfranchising people, corrupting organizations, threatening people and organizing and enforcing a systematic doping ring in order to cheat his way into millions consider himself an optimist?

Oh what a wise sage, looking for the good in the world when he himself has done so much to tarnish large swaths of it.

Does Lance's bull**** know no bounds?

There is a fine line between "optimist" and narcissistic bully.

 

[D-Queued]

Hey Mark, here's your new avatar:

I think someone was baking this for Mark

Humble Pie

Dave.

 

[frenchfry]

The seven deadly sins of narcissism:

1.Shamelessness: Shame is the feeling that lurks beneath all unhealthy narcissism, and the inability to process shame in healthy ways.

2.Magical thinking: Narcissists see themselves as perfect, using distortion and illusion known as magical thinking. They also use projection to dump shame onto others.

3.Arrogance: A narcissist who is feeling deflated may reinflate by diminishing, debasing, or degrading somebody else.

4.Envy: A narcissist may secure a sense of superiority in the face of another person's ability by using contempt to minimize the other person.

5.Entitlement: Narcissists hold unreasonable expectations of particularly favorable treatment and automatic compliance because they consider themselves special. Failure to comply is considered an attack on their superiority, and the perpetrator is considered an "awkward" or "difficult" person. Defiance of their will is a narcissistic injury that can trigger narcissistic rage.

6.Exploitation: Can take many forms but always involves the exploitation of others without regard for their feelings or interests. Often the other is in a subservient position where resistance would be difficult or even impossible. Sometimes the subservience is not so much real as assumed.

7.Bad boundaries: Narcissists do not recognize that they have boundaries and that others are separate and are not extensions of themselves. Others either exist to meet their needs or may as well not exist at all. Those who provide narcissistic supply to the narcissist are treated as if they are part of the narcissist and are expected to live up to those expectations. In the mind of a narcissist there is no boundary between self and other.

by Hotchkiss, Sandy

 

[DirtyWorks]

Question - Lemond said in his article with Kimmage in 2rmag that he bumped into Weisel and co at a restaurant during the 1998 tour. Weisel said to Lemond infront of the head of the US postal service (the woman who cut the sponsorship deal) 'What do you think about this ****? These guys are pro's they should be able to take whatever they want'

Obviously USPS knew, or the main people involved knew what was going to be happening re PEDS.

Meh. Lots of wiggle room for USPS. They are not stupid. Nothing would have been mentioned directly or written down. If anyone is left on the USPS side inside USPS, they won't be there for long.

Is it just a case of throwing Lance under the bus and denying all knowledge?
Can Lance use this in any way to drag people down with him?

Remember, Wonderboy is just one person in the CSE/Tailwind organization. Old news for many, Weisel, Knaggs, Och and the rest have gotten off easy so far. Wonderboy certainly did not pull this off without their intricate involvement.

Things need to heat up criminally for Thom. Heck, I'll take a WADA lifetime ban, but that's just a dream.

Good news for once. Long, long way to go yet.

 

[Carols]

@PaulKimmage: Poor Lance. Who'd have believed it? Soon, not worth the chair he is sitting on.

Nice one Paul!

Chapeau Paul!!!!!

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Race Radio scores again!

Question for you: is the Qui Tam seperate from the criminal investigation ?
It seems like the answer is yes, so why do the feds join one but drop the other? Can the criminal investigation be revised?

Qui Tam is a civil action. The main difference between the two is the burden of proof. Though I think there were other reasons that played into Birotte, part of their reluctance could also be attributed to having to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

In the civil action, it's "preponderance of the evidence" which means whichever side has the greater balance of the evidence in the eyes of the finder of fact (judge or jury). Much easier burden.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Phraudstrong is phucked.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

It'll be interesting to see which one of them settles first and testifies against the rest.

"Well the race is on and here comes pride up the backstretch"

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Phraudstrong is phucked.

I should probably delete that as an attempt to avoid the filter, but I have to admit it actually made me laugh out loud. Good one!

Susan

 

[poupou]

We appreciate you sharing your humour with us. Thanks

 

[skippy]

Those of you that read my blogs and Comments last February , will recall that i said the " fun " would begin once again after the " Presidential Honeymoon "! Seems that the prediction is proved correct today ?

Twitter is great amusement just now , b ut these tweets surprised me :

Prince Charles ‏@Charles_HRH
Tiger Woods, Lance Armstrong, and now Oscar #Pistorius. Nike should start telling their athletes "Don't Do It".

Who would have thought he was on twitter so soon after the news ?


David Millar ‏@millarmind
FLASHBACK! Had a dream last night where @lancearmstrong was giving me interior decorating tips. Remember being annoyed at their excellence.

Wonder when he will remember his Past ?


It's nice that the Justice Department decided to sue Lance Armstrong instead of sending a drone to his house.

Topical subject right now ?

Decided not to use the " Egg on face avatar "!

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I'm going to laugh when the Qui Tam case is over and Floyd buys Lance's foreclosed home and hires Lance as the gardener.