Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[Gavandope]

It wasn't a disaster for the charity that they were funding his private jet!

................

But I hold LA and his tight doping clique of associates who knew and abetted his fraud as the only people who deserve my disrespect and scorn - his charity workers who believed in him far more than anyone of us are bigger victims than we certainly were believing his words when our eyes knew he was lying through his teeth for years.

Anyone who worked for LA after books like Lance to Landis was released dont deserve much in the way of sympathy.[/QUOTE]

We'll have to agree to disagree - I have sympathy for innocents now matter how gullible they seem to be in hindsight.

We had far more exposure to the truth over here in the uk from the 99 tour on thanks largely to Walsh and Kimmage but didn't the vast majority of those in the states who didn't know a lot about cycling and doping really only get exposed to the conspiracy when Floyd dropped the bomb?

 

[MarkvW]

How do we know Lance isn't secretly moving illegal immigrants into the United States?
How do we know that he isn't laundering money for the Cali cartel?
For all we know, Lance could be planning a Las Vegas casino heist right now!

 

[Gavandope]

How do we know Lance isn't secretly moving illegal immigrants into the United States?
How do we know that he isn't laundering money for the Cali cartel?
For all we know, Lance could be planning a Las Vegas casino heist right now!

He might even send me a private message for some free advice on how to come out smelling far more like roses than you know what and not being a bad fella anymore. I was a complete lying tosspot back in the mid 90's after all

 

[Bluenote]

It wasn't a disaster for the charity that they were funding his private jet!

.................

If you dig into the numbers from the Bloomberg article, most of the loss came from the loss of corporate deals.

Individual donations were only down a little.

I find that kind of surprising, but thats the numbers. Maybe sone of these same loyal people will quit giving to Livestrong and start supporting LAF II.

 

[leftover pie]

The burden of creepitude

lol

this phrase should be trademarked!

 

[Archibald]

Ha I am sure some might see it that way. Gotta say I love motorpacing. It was my favorite kind of training. If Lance volunteered to drive the scooter I would likely take him up on it as good scooter drivers are hard to find

okay, I'll bite... Lance knows how to find good scooter drivers - exhibit A: Motoman

I'll get me coat...

Wonderboy will be giving talks at Junior development camps soon enough.

I'm sure George's invite for him to do just this isn't far away, if not already in the post

Anyone who worked for LA after books like Lance to Landis was released dont deserve much in the way of sympathy.

not sure your average joe worker supporting his family can always afford to be that choosey?
besides, were there different workers for the ".com" and ".org" versions of livestrong? Or did they work for both?
Wasn't the .org version the 'legit' one, while the .com one did the LA funding?

then again, I somehow doubt that Lance to Landis would have been promoted via memo around the staff of Livestrong either...
Different after the Reasoned Decision and Oprah though.

 

[Benotti69]

...............
not sure your average joe worker supporting his family can always afford to be that choosey?
besides, were there different workers for the ".com" and ".org" versions of livestrong? Or did they work for both?
Wasn't the .org version the 'legit' one, while the .com one did the LA funding?

then again, I somehow doubt that Lance to Landis would have been promoted via memo around the staff of Livestrong either...
Different after the Reasoned Decision and Oprah though.

The average Joe who went and got a job at Livewrong dont want any sympathy they want a job.

As for the entangled web of .com Vs org, who knows how the bean counters divided it all up for the benefit of Armstrong. I doubt it was to the benefit of those suffering from cancer.

Bad news travels pretty damn fast and i guess when stuff started coming out about Armstrong and doping the smart ones would have done some research and the not so smart ones.................

 

[Semper Fidelis]

How would you feel of one of the "New Generation" went motorpacing with Lance?

On one hand I can understand. It is just motorpacing. It can be a pain to find someone who can do it right. I image Lance knows what he is doing.....but the optics?

I am sure it will be dissected here when it happens

"I'm sure we can all agree" that it will be dissected here when it happens.

Hey Race ----Colorado Mesa seems to have a good bit of athletes these days.

 

[Race Radio]

Some rather big developments in the Qui Tam case.

Tomorrow is a big hearing on the 180 pages of "Me no understand" that Armstrong filed to respond to the Gov's discovery requests. I expect that Lance's lawyers will try to delay but if it does happen it will be a long day in court

Landis is going full gas against the UCI. He has requested Federal assistance to secure international evidence. It will largely focus on the UCI complicity in Armstrong doping as well as on Weisel's involvement.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/239757001/Letter-Rogatory

Just when Thom thought he was out of this

Lance is freaking out because the Fed lawyers in the Qui Tam case have the witness interviews and the Grand Jury Testimony from the criminal case

http://www.scribd.com/doc/239757286/Motion-for-Leave

Bet that is some interesting reading. Wonder what kind of songs Crow sung?

It appears the documents that were accidentally transferred from the Feds to lance's legal were mostly witness interviews.....which likely would have been transferred eventually anyways.

 

[D-Queued]

Some rather big developments in the Qui Tam case.

Tomorrow is a big hearing on the 180 pages of "Me no understand" that Armstrong filed to respond to the Gov's discovery requests. I expect that Lance's lawyers will try to delay but if it does happen it will be a long day in court

Landis is going full gas against the UCI. He has requested Federal assistance to secure international evidence. It will largely focus on the UCI complicity in Armstrong doping as well as on Weisel's involvement.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/239757001/Letter-Rogatory

Just when Thom thought he was out of this

Lance is freaking out because the Fed lawyers in the Qui Tam case have the witness interviews and the Grand Jury Testimony from the criminal case

http://www.scribd.com/doc/239757286/Motion-for-Leave

Bet that is some interesting reading. Wonder what kind of songs Crow sung?

It appears the documents that were accidentally transferred from the Feds to lance's legal were mostly witness interviews.....which likely would have been transferred eventually anyways.

Thanks RR.

Silence is so boring. Good to get some news.

Dave.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Some rather big developments in the Qui Tam case.

Tomorrow is a big hearing on the 180 pages of "Me no understand" that Armstrong filed to respond to the Gov's discovery requests. I expect that Lance's lawyers will try to delay but if it does happen it will be a long day in court

Landis is going full gas against the UCI. He has requested Federal assistance to secure international evidence. It will largely focus on the UCI complicity in Armstrong doping as well as on Weisel's involvement.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/239757001/Letter-Rogatory

Just when Thom thought he was out of this

Lance is freaking out because the Fed lawyers in the Qui Tam case have the witness interviews and the Grand Jury Testimony from the criminal case

http://www.scribd.com/doc/239757286/Motion-for-Leave

Bet that is some interesting reading. Wonder what kind of songs Crow sung?

It appears the documents that were accidentally transferred from the Feds to lance's legal were mostly witness interviews.....which likely would have been transferred eventually anyways.

It isn't possible that Weisel will face any further problems, MarkvW says so...

 

[DirtyWorks]

It isn't possible that Weisel will face any further problems, MarkvW says so...

Yeah, but money talks and if the story ever takes off about an IOC sports federation reeking of corruption, the IOC will likely step in to quiet the story like they did with JADCO.

 

[MarkvW]

Weisel stays off the hook. It seems very unlikely that Floyd is going to find a smoking gun in the UCI files.

 

[Oldman]

Weisel stays off the hook. It seems very unlikely that Floyd is going to find a smoking gun in the UCI files.

While I'd agree with you TW would settle and still consider himself a "winner" because he's still very rich. He'll say privately that the boy showed promise and would never have been anything without his help. That's his measure of success.

 

[Granville57]

Some rather big developments in the Qui Tam case.

Some interesting excerpts:

II. Documents to be produced


3. The COMMUNICATIONS between UCI and Lance Armstrong or his attorneys or other representatives RELATING TO the following payments by Lance Armstrong to UCI: the $25,000 paid in or around 2002; the $100,000 paid in or around 2007. The COMMUNICATIONS to be produced should include the COMMUNICATIONS requesting or offering the payments, transmitting the payments, and describing the purpose of the payments.

4. Copies of the checks or other forms of payment used by Lance Armstrong or his attorneys or other representatives in making the payments to UCI in 2002 and 2007.

5. The internal COMMUNICATIONS and DOCUMENTS at UCI RELATING TO Lance Armstrong’s payments to UCI in or around 2002 and 2007, including COMMUNICATIONS and DOCUMENTS discussing the purpose of the payments and how the funds were used.

18. The COMMUNICATIONS between Jim Ochowicz and Hein Verbruggen between January 1, 1995 and December 31, 2004
that concern Mr. Verbruggen’s financial investments with Thomas Weisel Partners or any business entity affiliated with Thomas Weisel.

20. The COMMUNICATIONS between Thomas Weisel and UCI between January 1, 1995 and the present.

I'm just not clear on whether or not the UCI is obligated to even have such records still on file, or how one would determine their existence if they did.

 

[Granville57]

And this from the other link:

Armstrong’s original position is not simply that he should have access to grand jury materials in the possession of the civil attorneys...

Oh no, of course not, Armstrong would never want access to the grand jury materials. Nope. No way. Zero interest to him.

...but that the civil attorneys never should have had access to this material in the first place. However, since the Government presently possesses and is using this grand jury material in this civil case, Armstrong is entitled to its disclosure under Rule 26.

Contrary to the Government’s suggestions, at this stage, Armstrong cannot fairly be required to file an application in the Central District of California to seek disclosure to him of materials his civil adversaries already have, based on a legal standard (“avoid a possible injustice”) that he does not believe can properly be satisfied. Armstrong first needs to ascertain whether the Government has this material lawfully. In order to do so, the grand jury materials themselves and the documents relating to their disclosure to the civil attorneys must be produced.

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO ME?!

 

[Race Radio]

Weisel stays off the hook. It seems very unlikely that Floyd is going to find a smoking gun in the UCI files.

Floyd is not the only person working to bring Weisel into the case. The Feds and lance both want it to happen

 

[Race Radio]

I'm just not clear on whether or not the UCI is obligated to even have such records still on file, or how one would determine their existence if they did.

Note that Verburggen's name is also mentioned. If successful Hein will receive a nice request for information from his local police. If he refuses, or destroys the evidence, he could face local charges....although this is unlikely.

It is funny that Lance's lawyers are implying that the Feds got access to the Criminal case evidence illegally. Such nonsense

 

[blackcat]

Bet that is some interesting reading. Wonder what kind of songs Crow sung?

something banal and milquetoast no doubt, like that risible

all i wanna do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lphB-z6AuL0

middle america laps this $hit up like dixie chix

 

[DirtyWorks]

Some interesting excerpts:

I'm just not clear on whether or not the UCI is obligated to even have such records still on file, or how one would determine their existence if they did.

If the UCI uses a global standard for organization communication retention, then they'll have it. Can they pretend they don't? Sure. It worked for the U.S. Executive Office (President) under Cheney.

Can a Swiss organization dismiss a request from U.S. law enforcement? No idea. It will be interesting to see how that goes.

Is/Was Hein doing business over another domain? (gmail.com.ch) Probably.
Is/Was Hein running businesses parallel to the UCI that enriched him? Yes. We know about the keirin payments, Thom Wiesel managing Verbruggen money at his firm, and the mysterious licensing organization that holds the rights to the phrase "Tour of YourNameHere" Let's hope some more of those side businesses become a part of the public record.

Let's hope that material between Wiesel and the UCI 1995->Present becomes open for all. That could be a rich vein, shedding some light on the corruption beyond just Wonderboy. It would be great if the SEC got in on some of this enforcement action, but they are weak and generally ineffective.

You have to wonder if the CIRC is now just counter propaganda.

 

[the sceptic]

why does Betsy want Landis to pay back USADA?

 

[Digger]

why does Betsy want Landis to pay back USADA?

It's unbelievable.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Seems like there would be a LONG list of "pro's" who would have to pay back USADA if we expect One to do it. Dangerous territory.

 

[Bluenote]

This - the SCA and Qui Tam cases - are why I continue to follow Armstrong related news. Some (here and in other comment sections) forward the argument that "Armstrong is old news" and "following Armstrong = being obsessed w Armstrong is almost = kiddie porn."

But Armstrong is intertwined with alleged corruption at the UCI, at USA Cycling, among powerful people still involved in the sport.

Lawsuits have the possibility to unearth key information (think what happened to Paula Deen).

I think people who enabled / aided / colluded with Armstrong have no place in the sport. Don't know how you go about getting them out, but gathering proof of their involvement is step one.

 

[the sceptic]

Seems like there would be a LONG list of "pro's" who would have to pay back USADA if we expect One to do it. Dangerous territory.

I wonder if Frankie should pay back the usps money too.