Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[Granville57]

the SCA and Qui Tam cases - are why I continue to follow Armstrong related news.

And since they are news, and in the news, no further justification is needed in following these developments.

Those who no longer wish to follow the story are welcome to look away.

 

[Granville57]

why does Betsy want Landis to pay back USADA?

The thing is, there's no need for her to want/think/hope that he'll pay back anyone. The courts have already established, and ordered, who he'll pay back, when, and under what circumstances.

"I'm glad to have a concrete procedure for repayment in place," Landis told ESPN.com on Thursday. "For me, taking the step of making restitution to the donors who were misled back then is one more step in righting the wrong choices I made and allows me to turn the page and to focus on what's next in life for me."

http://espn.go.com/olympics/cycling/story/_/id/8297769/floyd-landis-avoid-jail-donors-get-reimbursed

 

[Digger]

Well exactly how much is enough in her eyes as a punishment. Talk about pound of flesh.

 

[Granville57]

And this:

A three-person panel at the Court of Arbitration for Sport upheld a previous panel's decision...
Landis also must pay $100,000 toward the legal fees of the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency.

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=3467087

 

[Scott SoCal]

Well exactly how much is enough in her eyes as a punishment. Talk about pound of flesh.

Your ability to mold conclusions to fit your narrative is truly world-class.

 

[Digger]

Your ability to mold conclusions to fit your narrative is truly world-class.

so he should pay back usada then - for what I don't know.

 

[Scott SoCal]

so he should pay back usada then - for what I don't know.

Legal fees.

There was some speculation at the time of a strategy to financially break the USADA. Hamilton's case probably was worse than Floyd's.

As to the pound of flesh comment... it's entirely possible for people to agree with the verdict (as it was upheld by CAS) without it necessarily equating to being punitive in nature.

 

[Digger]

Legal fees.

There was some speculation at the time of a strategy to financially break the USADA. Hamilton's case probably was worse than Floyd's.

As to the pound of flesh comment... it's entirely possible for people to agree with the verdict (as it was upheld by CAS) without it necessarily equating to being punitive in nature.

you forgetting the 100grand fine for same.

he lost the tour, he lost basically his whole career.

USADA broke it's own rules in that arbitration - so yes I think he's paid enough.

Paying back USADA - awesome.

 

[MarkvW]

Legal fees.

There was some speculation at the time of a strategy to financially break the USADA. Hamilton's case probably was worse than Floyd's.

As to the pound of flesh comment... it's entirely possible for people to agree with the verdict (as it was upheld by CAS) without it necessarily equating to being punitive in nature.

Floyd and his lawyers made USADA bring expert witnesses to the hearing, then never examined them. This was expensive. Floyd was jerking USADA around. It's fair that Floyd bears those costs, rather than USADA. Betsy us dead right on that one.

 

[Scott SoCal]

you forgetting the 100grand fine for same.

he lost the tour, he lost basically his whole career.

USADA broke it's own rules in that arbitration - so yes I think he's paid enough.

Paying back USADA - awesome.

The USADA did not cost Floyd the tour nor his career. They did not blackball him.

As far as Floyd's career collapse goes, you can blame Lance as much as anybody.

 

[mewmewmew13]

you forgetting the 100grand fine for same.

he lost the tour, he lost basically his whole career.

USADA broke it's own rules in that arbitration - so yes I think he's paid enough.

Paying back USADA - awesome.

Explain why/how USADA broke its own rules...

 

[Gavandope]

Some rather big developments in the Qui Tam case.

Tomorrow is a big hearing on the 180 pages of "Me no understand" that Armstrong filed to respond to the Gov's discovery requests. I expect that Lance's lawyers will try to delay but if it does happen it will be a long day in court

Landis is going full gas against the UCI. He has requested Federal assistance to secure international evidence. It will largely focus on the UCI complicity in Armstrong doping as well as on Weisel's involvement.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/239757001/Letter-Rogatory

Just when Thom thought he was out of this

Lance is freaking out because the Fed lawyers in the Qui Tam case have the witness interviews and the Grand Jury Testimony from the criminal case

http://www.scribd.com/doc/239757286/Motion-for-Leave

Bet that is some interesting reading. Wonder what kind of songs Crow sung?

It appears the documents that were accidentally transferred from the Feds to lance's legal were mostly witness interviews.....which likely would have been transferred eventually anyways.

Boom. There's some reading tonight for me in between working on a MacBook Pro and a HP probook

 

[MarkvW]

you forgetting the 100grand fine for same.

he lost the tour, he lost basically his whole career.

USADA broke it's own rules in that arbitration - so yes I think he's paid enough.

Paying back USADA - awesome.

Floyd's whole career was a Class A Fraud. Floyd didn't "lose" the Tour--he defrauded it. He can definitely share some of his Lance-booty with USADA because USADA earned it.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Floyd's whole career was a Class A Fraud. Floyd didn't "lose" the Tour--he defrauded it. He can definitely share some of his Lance-booty with USADA because USADA earned it.

hu? Your full of **** on that. Floyd had talent and a career before the TDF victory. He made some horrible decisions and choices. Those made by folks before him and after him.

Did Floyd and Lance really get along during those TDF years previous to him departing USPS? doubt it.

 

[D-Queued]

....

USADA broke it's own rules in that arbitration - so yes I think he's paid enough.

Paying back USADA - awesome.

I'm ok with the awesome statement.

The broken rules part... WTF???

Are you making a plea to resurrect the absurd arguments of the FFF?

Your ability to mold conclusions to fit your narrative is truly world-class.

This.

Explain why/how USADA broke its own rules...

And this.

Dave.

 

[Race Radio]

you forgetting the 100grand fine for same.

You are forgetting that Landis did not have to pay that $100,000. Regardless, this is the Armstrong thread. Not the Landis/USADA/Betsy thread. If you want to talk about a topic like this, that has zero to do with Armstrong, perhaps you can start a new thread for your false drama?

For someone who comes here to heckle people for talking about old news you sure do like to talk about old news. Good to see you changed your signature, now your posts are slightly less hypocritical

 

[Digger]

You are forgetting that Landis did not have to pay that $100,000. Regardless, this is the Armstrong thread. Not the Landis/USADA/Betsy thread. If you want to talk about a topic like this, that has zero to do with Armstrong, perhaps you can start a new thread for your false drama?

For someone who comes here to heckle people for talking about old news you sure do like to talk about old news. Good to see you changed your signature, now your posts are slightly less hypocritical

Her post from today. 'I think/hope he'll pay back USADA too' so who is bringing things up from the past again?
Old news - topless pics of lance are news?
Anyway you talk of hypocrisy. Horner the greatest talent since lemond.
Also good of you to branch out from Lance to froome re: the vuelta. Oh wait...

This level of hypocrisy, of which you are the king, is where we are at...lance lance lance.

One would think nothing happened last week.

Also you talk of heckling others on here -you've been banned how often from here?

 

[Merckx index]

Floyd is not the only person working to bring Weisel into the case. The Feds and lance both want it to happen

Why didn't the Feds name Weisel in the original Notice of Intervention? Obviously, they didn't think they had enough evidence, and Floyd's claims vs. Weisel were all dismissed a couple of months ago.

Are the Feds hoping Floyd will do the heavy lifting here? But what exactly can he do that they can't do a lot better? Weisel's involvement seems obvious in Emma's testimony that he was present when the TUE was concocted, and also in testimony by Steffens and Lemond, but that's been known for some time, and apparently the Feds didn't think it was good enough.

I'm not questioning that the Feds would like to get Weisel involved, but it seems they came to the conclusion quite a while ago that he was untouchable.

 

[Race Radio]

Why didn't the Feds name Weisel in the original Notice of Intervention? Obviously, they didn't think they had enough evidence, and Floyd's claims vs. Weisel were all dismissed a couple of months ago.

Are the Feds hoping Floyd will do the heavy lifting here? But what exactly can he do that they can't do a lot better? Weisel's involvement seems obvious in Emma's testimony that he was present when the TUE was concocted, and also in testimony by Steffens and Lemond, but that's been known for some time, and apparently the Feds didn't think it was good enough.

I'm not questioning that the Feds would like to get Weisel involved, but it seems they came to the conclusion quite a while ago that he was untouchable.

Weisel was clearly named in the Fed initial filing but they made it clear that they were going after only a handful of participants at this time. They reserved the right to pursue Weisel later. Weisel can still be brought into this. Landis, lance, and the Feds all want him.

 

[DirtyWorks]

... Weisel can still be brought into this. Landis, lance, and the Feds all want him.

Go Wonderboy! Wiesel's your enemy now! Fight Wonderboy!



Of course, if he throws Wiesel under the bus, the IOC will not like it one bit and not revisit the sanction. AFAICT, Cookson does not have a relationship with Bach that Verbruggen had with Rogge.

Wonderboy has to be careful here.

 

[Benotti69]

Go Wonderboy! Wiesel's your enemy now! Fight Wonderboy!



Of course, if he throws Wiesel under the bus, the IOC will not like it one bit and not revisit the sanction. AFAICT, Cookson does not have a relationship with Bach that Verbruggen had with Rogge.

Wonderboy has to be careful here.

I agree that IOC will not be happy to see Weisel done.

 

[the sceptic]

Her post from today. 'I think/hope he'll pay back USADA too' so who is bringing things up from the past again?
Old news - topless pics of lance are news?
Anyway you talk of hypocrisy. Horner the greatest talent since lemond.
Also good of you to branch out from Lance to froome re: the vuelta. Oh wait...

This level of hypocrisy, of which you are the king, is where we are at...lance lance lance.

One would think nothing happened last week.

Also you talk of heckling others on here -you've been banned how often from here?

in 30 years when Lance is in a retirement home, the same posters will still be in this thread digging up the latest Lance hate story and topless pictures.

Fine by me, but dont pretend to be anti-doping when in reality its just anti-Lance.

 

[MarkvW]

If Lance really wanted Weisel in this litigation, it could happen quickly. All it would take is for Lance to file a cross-complaint against Weisel. Lance's cross-complaint would easily survive a motion to dismiss if Lance would/could swear that he and Weisel conspired to dope or to cover up doping. But that hasn't been done (because Lance has to admit to everything to do it).

Maybe after Lance has been found liable Lance might sue Weisel for contribution. Without anything other than words from Lance's lying mouth for evidence, we can fairly guess how that will turn out.

There obviously isn't sufficient evidence of Weisel's doping conspiracy participation. Floyd is out fishing for some. It would be great if he could find some, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

[Bluenote]

And since they are news, and in the news, no further justification is needed in following these developments.

Those who no longer wish to follow the story are welcome to look away.

I like your advice about the ignore feature. Read posts with Armstrong related updates, ignore all the opinions and bickering.

 

[Granville57]

I like your advice about the ignore feature. Read posts with Armstrong related updates, ignore all the opinions and bickering.

Oh trust me, it'll be like going downhill through the woods on a toboggan, except you've removed most of the trees.