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Kinda classless to call Betsy a pig.
It is no surprise that Betsy does not back down. What would you do if someone called your hometown newspaper and tried to convince them you were a junkie/pusher? Would that qualify as obsessed? At least George apologized and admitted it was a mistake.
There are books, affidavits, depos, interviews, etc. that detail Frankie's doping. It is well known and well documented. Armstrong pushing an alternative version to anyone who will listen comes across as obsessive and contradicts the "I'm Sorry" narrative.
fmk_RoI said:
Kinda classless to call Betsy a pig.
It is no surprise that Betsy does not back down. What would you do if someone called your hometown newspaper and tried to convince them you were a junkie/pusher? Would that qualify as obsessed? At least George apologized and admitted it was a mistake.
There are books, affidavits, depos, interviews, etc. that detail Frankie's doping. It is well known and well documented. Armstrong pushing an alternative version to anyone who will listen comes across as obsessive and contradicts the "I'm Sorry" narrative.
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Why the fancy compliments for Armstrong?
Andreu's are entitled to feel aggrieved and angry from treatment meted out by Armstrong's bullying.
That the guy is still lying obviously hurts. I admire Betsy for sticking to her guns and not rolling over just because the guy got busted. Just because Armstrong is acting like snake without a venom, don't mean he still cant try to bite.
fmk_RoI said:
Why the fancy compliments for Armstrong?
Andreu's are entitled to feel aggrieved and angry from treatment meted out by Armstrong's bullying.
That the guy is still lying obviously hurts. I admire Betsy for sticking to her guns and not rolling over just because the guy got busted. Just because Armstrong is acting like snake without a venom, don't mean he still cant try to bite.
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It is hard to understand why reporters continue to report Armstrong's lies. It is patently obvious Armstrong is a serial liar, obsessed with vengeance, and prepared to say anything to satisfy his egomania. The evidence that Armstrong is a psychopath becomes more evident with every interview he gives and yet time after time American reporters sit gob smacked at his feet as though Armstrong has something significant to say. Enough already!
Benotti69 said:
It is hard to understand why reporters continue to report Armstrong's lies. It is patently obvious Armstrong is a serial liar, obsessed with vengeance, and prepared to say anything to satisfy his egomania. The evidence that Armstrong is a psychopath becomes more evident with every interview he gives and yet time after time American reporters sit gob smacked at his feet as though Armstrong has something significant to say. Enough already!
IMO, Adrue in the wrong here, they have tried to harm Lance image beyond reason, Yes he's nasty but he's still human, has feelings. I'm sure him seeing being permanently villified by people who did the same agers and he wants vengence, they may regret going after him and destroying him in the press. Lance is a fighter and will not give up till dead.
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Kinda pig-headed to read what I wrote as calling Betsy the pig. But in case you need it explaining: Betsy can hardly be suprised at LA talking abt her if she continually talks abt him. I have heaps of sympathy for her, but when she feigns surprise like that, she loses me. If she wants to talk abt him to whatever jouno is looking for a tasty quote, clearly she should expect LA to take his shots back when the opportunity arises. I'm not saying she should shut up: just quit pretending she's surprised. She knows the rules of the game by now.
Race Radio said:
Kinda pig-headed to read what I wrote as calling Betsy the pig. But in case you need it explaining: Betsy can hardly be suprised at LA talking abt her if she continually talks abt him. I have heaps of sympathy for her, but when she feigns surprise like that, she loses me. If she wants to talk abt him to whatever jouno is looking for a tasty quote, clearly she should expect LA to take his shots back when the opportunity arises. I'm not saying she should shut up: just quit pretending she's surprised. She knows the rules of the game by now.
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Your original post was totally ironic! Alter ego time is here again!
The whole Betsy Andreu -- Lance Armstrong psychodrama is so Jerry Springer / Dr. Phil. A vindictive generally honest person versus a vindictive sociopath.
fmk_RoI said:
Your original post was totally ironic! Alter ego time is here again!
The whole Betsy Andreu -- Lance Armstrong psychodrama is so Jerry Springer / Dr. Phil. A vindictive generally honest person versus a vindictive sociopath.
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Who are the Andreus if they're not the victims of Lance Armstrong?
Armstrong=bad:.Andreus=good?
Frankie doping throughout the majority of his career sounds about right.
Who are the Andreus if they're not the victims of Lance Armstrong?
Armstrong=bad:.Andreus=good?
Frankie doping throughout the majority of his career sounds about right.
Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession
Dear Uniballer,
you know the routine: first, full confession including all the details (yes, Dr. Lamborghini too), and then you can start accusing the world and dog.
Till then, wish you long jailtime.
Yours falsely,
Cycling Fans
Dear Uniballer,
you know the routine: first, full confession including all the details (yes, Dr. Lamborghini too), and then you can start accusing the world and dog.
Till then, wish you long jailtime.
Yours falsely,
Cycling Fans
My first post here because I'm shocked that no one has pointed out, what is to me, the most ironic part of this article. Namely, Betsy saying, "...Who you going to believe: a pathological liar or people who have been telling the truth for well over a decade?"
Is this not on page one of the Doper's Handbook on How to Control the Message? Does this line not sound hauntingly familiar to anyone? It's quite laughable in my opinion.
Is this not on page one of the Doper's Handbook on How to Control the Message? Does this line not sound hauntingly familiar to anyone? It's quite laughable in my opinion.
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It is clear to most who is being "Poked"
Betsy is not feigning anything. Lance has pushed the narrative that Frankie was a junkie/pusher for several years now. Pushing this myth to multiple journalists in national publications, Frankie's hometown newspaper, books, his 3,000,000 Twitter followers. etc. etc.
I get that Lance is pissed. He feels like he got a raw deal..... but constantly hammering Frankie and Betsy accomplishes nothing and drowns out the valid points he might have.
fmk_RoI said:
It is clear to most who is being "Poked"
Betsy is not feigning anything. Lance has pushed the narrative that Frankie was a junkie/pusher for several years now. Pushing this myth to multiple journalists in national publications, Frankie's hometown newspaper, books, his 3,000,000 Twitter followers. etc. etc.
I get that Lance is pissed. He feels like he got a raw deal..... but constantly hammering Frankie and Betsy accomplishes nothing and drowns out the valid points he might have.
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Yeah, I don't get this - setting Lance aside, does anyone really believe that Frankie, or anyone on that team/inner circle, didn't dope for most of their careers? As for Betsy's "pathological liar", well, seems to me that Frankie lied for years too, just like Lance.HelmutRoole said:
Armstrong ain't sorry, only sorry he got caught and probably still blames others, not his own narcissism.
thehog
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Armstrong wasn't speaking to reporters but the statements were made under oath. He was asked a question, he responded.
I think it's well established the 2012 USADA affidavits are more than odd. Doping stopped collectively in 2006?!
How odd we'll all soon enough find out.
RobbieCanuck said:
Armstrong wasn't speaking to reporters but the statements were made under oath. He was asked a question, he responded.
I think it's well established the 2012 USADA affidavits are more than odd. Doping stopped collectively in 2006?!
How odd we'll all soon enough find out.
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Not sure what you are saying here. Or, what you are inferring by Lance making statement under oath as opposed to speaking with reporters.
Lance, let us not forget, never understood the bit about "the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth" when he went under oath. Must have had wax in his ears or something.
The lies are so convoluted that even Lance is puzzled: "Was it one big lie..."
While the absurdity of 2006 is well taken, many, many testimonial lies by Lance are well documented. Some even acknowledged by Lance himself. The only surprise being that other lies are even now being confirmed.
Reasoned Decision: "... witness after witness would have confirmed the following: ... That Lance Armstrong and his handlers engaged in a massive and long running scheme to use drugs, cover their tracks, intimidate witnesses, tarnish reputations, lie to hearing panels and the press and do whatever was necessary to conceal the truth. ..."
Oh yeah, when it comes to Betsy and Frankie one only needs focus on the "intimidate witnesses" and "tarnish reputations" parts.
Old habits die hard.
Dave.
thehog said:
Not sure what you are saying here. Or, what you are inferring by Lance making statement under oath as opposed to speaking with reporters.
Lance, let us not forget, never understood the bit about "the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth" when he went under oath. Must have had wax in his ears or something.
The lies are so convoluted that even Lance is puzzled: "Was it one big lie..."
While the absurdity of 2006 is well taken, many, many testimonial lies by Lance are well documented. Some even acknowledged by Lance himself. The only surprise being that other lies are even now being confirmed.
Reasoned Decision: "... witness after witness would have confirmed the following: ... That Lance Armstrong and his handlers engaged in a massive and long running scheme to use drugs, cover their tracks, intimidate witnesses, tarnish reputations, lie to hearing panels and the press and do whatever was necessary to conceal the truth. ..."
Oh yeah, when it comes to Betsy and Frankie one only needs focus on the "intimidate witnesses" and "tarnish reputations" parts.
Old habits die hard.
Dave.
thehog
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Frankie was a track rider by trade. Turned into a mountain goat/sprinter.
For Armstrong to say what he said, he'd have to have ridden with Frankie for those 12 years.
The cross over period was the junior years then all the way through Motorola, Cofidis (although Armstrong didn't ride much) then USPS. It's a fair chuck of time they spent together, training as well.
I guess Hincapie, Hamilton & Bruyneel could confirm if true or not. Not sure who else?
HelmutRoole said:
Frankie was a track rider by trade. Turned into a mountain goat/sprinter.
For Armstrong to say what he said, he'd have to have ridden with Frankie for those 12 years.
The cross over period was the junior years then all the way through Motorola, Cofidis (although Armstrong didn't ride much) then USPS. It's a fair chuck of time they spent together, training as well.
I guess Hincapie, Hamilton & Bruyneel could confirm if true or not. Not sure who else?
thehog
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Sure, that's an opinion not so much based on fact.
We all known Armstrong was a filthy, lying doper. So were all of his teammates including FA. There are a few shades of grey here, I'd like to go a little deeper and know exactly what occurred during the USPS period.
It's not as simple as Armstrong doper, everyone else good. Let's hear what plays out, I'm sure not EVERYONE doped once or twice or stopped in 2006.
Archibald said:
Sure, that's an opinion not so much based on fact.
We all known Armstrong was a filthy, lying doper. So were all of his teammates including FA. There are a few shades of grey here, I'd like to go a little deeper and know exactly what occurred during the USPS period.
It's not as simple as Armstrong doper, everyone else good. Let's hear what plays out, I'm sure not EVERYONE doped once or twice or stopped in 2006.
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Really? Frankie and his wife go into an arbitration to testify Lance was a doper when Frankie himself was a doper and yet kept that all quiet? That's pretty dishonest and lacks credibility if you ask me.
Reminds me of Stuart O'Grady slamming dopers all over the place and then having to admit he was also one himself. Zero credibility.
Archibald said:
Really? Frankie and his wife go into an arbitration to testify Lance was a doper when Frankie himself was a doper and yet kept that all quiet? That's pretty dishonest and lacks credibility if you ask me.
Reminds me of Stuart O'Grady slamming dopers all over the place and then having to admit he was also one himself. Zero credibility.
As fmk points out - Betsy goes on and on in interviews about lance - as late as last week she was on irish radio slamming him - and let's say she's entitled to for argument sake - for her to turn around later and say lance is obsessed with her, after her slamming him on facebook, and interviews, when he responds to Frankie, is a bit much.
Is the rule that betsy can slam lance in all interviews for the next decade but lance can't respond?
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I dont think Armstrong gets off becuase he was just another doper in the 'dark era'?
Armstrong manipulated the whole sport for his profit. Frankie was a soldier, Armstrong a Dictator for life in his own eyes.
Trying to compare like for like is crazy sh1te.
Sounds like some are bit disappointed Armstrong got busted. I for am not.
Piling it on Betsy when it is obvious Armstrong never apologised and then made a mockery of her on Oprah, you are doing Armstrong's bidding.
Armstrong ain't just another Jackse, Kohl or Rasmussen who did what was natural in cycling, the guy took it stratospheric levels.
I like Frankie and Betsy's credibilty.
I hope Armstrong gets slammed for the rest of his ife.
Digger said:
I dont think Armstrong gets off becuase he was just another doper in the 'dark era'?
Armstrong manipulated the whole sport for his profit. Frankie was a soldier, Armstrong a Dictator for life in his own eyes.
Trying to compare like for like is crazy sh1te.
Sounds like some are bit disappointed Armstrong got busted. I for am not.
Piling it on Betsy when it is obvious Armstrong never apologised and then made a mockery of her on Oprah, you are doing Armstrong's bidding.
Armstrong ain't just another Jackse, Kohl or Rasmussen who did what was natural in cycling, the guy took it stratospheric levels.
I like Frankie and Betsy's credibilty.
I hope Armstrong gets slammed for the rest of his ife.
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