Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[mikez]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

So Floyd's now a drug dealer? Okay. Whatever. Not sure why you wanted to hype this.

John Swanson

Cannabis is legal in Colorado so not sure if "drug dealer" and all it's implications is the right term. The Cannabis industry payed millions in tax revenue that is helping replace some of the funding schools lost during the recession.
And no, I don't use it, but it's a legitimate business in CO.

 

[This Charming Man]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

So Floyd's now a drug dealer? Okay. Whatever. Not sure why you wanted to hype this.

John Swanson

Cannabis is legal in Colorado so not sure if "drug dealer" and all it's implications is the right term. The Cannabis industry payed millions in tax revenue that is helping replace some of the funding schools lost during the recession.
And no, I don't use it, but it's a legitimate business in CO.

yes cannabis is legal in Co. As cannabis is illegal by federal law, selling it makes a person a drug dealer. whether you believe cannabis a medicine, etc. floyd, he is laguhing

 

[Mr.38%]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

So Floyd's now a drug dealer? Okay. Whatever. Not sure why you wanted to hype this.

John Swanson

Cannabis is legal in Colorado so not sure if "drug dealer" and all it's implications is the right term. The Cannabis industry payed millions in tax revenue that is helping replace some of the funding schools lost during the recession.
And no, I don't use it, but it's a legitimate business in CO.

yes cannabis is legal in Co. As cannabis is illegal by federal law, selling it makes a person a drug dealer. whether you believe cannabis a medicine, etc. floyd, he is laguhing

Drug dealer as anyone selling alcoholic drinks? The stuff that immediately causes irreperable brain damage but is legal for adults almost anywhere in the world. The stuff that kills millions of people every year, the stuff that cost tax payers billions for rehabilitation? That kind of drug dealer?

 

[MarkvW]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

So Floyd's now a drug dealer? Okay. Whatever. Not sure why you wanted to hype this.

John Swanson

Cannabis is legal in Colorado so not sure if "drug dealer" and all it's implications is the right term. The Cannabis industry payed millions in tax revenue that is helping replace some of the funding schools lost during the recession.
And no, I don't use it, but it's a legitimate business in CO.

yes cannabis is legal in Co. As cannabis is illegal by federal law, selling it makes a person a drug dealer. whether you believe cannabis a medicine, etc. floyd, he is laguhing

Drug dealer as anyone selling alcoholic drinks? The stuff that immediately causes irreperable brain damage but is legal for adults almost anywhere in the world. The stuff that kills millions of people every year, the stuff that cost tax payers billions for rehabilitation? That kind of drug dealer?

Floyd is a Saint. He is the perfect human. He cannot be a drug dealer.

 

[Irondan]

Let's take it to the floyd thread....

 

[thehog]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

So Floyd's now a drug dealer? Okay. Whatever. Not sure why you wanted to hype this.

John Swanson

Cannabis is legal in Colorado so not sure if "drug dealer" and all it's implications is the right term. The Cannabis industry payed millions in tax revenue that is helping replace some of the funding schools lost during the recession.
And no, I don't use it, but it's a legitimate business in CO.

yes cannabis is legal in Co. As cannabis is illegal by federal law, selling it makes a person a drug dealer. whether you believe cannabis a medicine, etc. floyd, he is laguhing

On a personal note, I've seen cancer patients ravaged by morphine and lose the plot mentally because of it. It robs the last few remaining months a person has with their family. Cannabis is a much better alternative, way less side effects and provides a better quality of life for those in immense pain.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

FINALLY
Lance has made it big
BBC Radio 4 Drama have done a one man show all about him:
listen to it here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07hj8b8
:Neutral:

 

[DamianoMachiavelli]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

Lol! You're buddies with Floyd eh? Why not have him come here and post, since you know, you guys are such good "friends"?

For all we know he could be here.

Back in the day Floyd was on a message board.

It does appear that DM is actual real life friends with Floyd.

Nah. I just guessed that Floyd would do an interview with Sports Illustrated and it would appear in this week's issue. Pure luck, really.

Floyd registered here back in the day. His account was banned after his first post. In his place the forum had to put up with JV's self serving scat. What a terrible trade.

 

[Microchip]

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FINALLY
Lance has made it big
BBC Radio 4 Drama have done a one man show all about him:
listen to it here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07hj8b8
:Neutral:

Witty guy, must be even funnier as a live show.

On another note, I looked at The Armstrong Lie (Alex Gibney) recently and a comment from Lance struck me. On the Larry King show he says:

"If you consider my situation...a guy comes back from, arguably you know, a death sentence...why would I then enter into a sport and dope myself up and risk my life again...that's crazy, I would never do that...and that, that's...no, no way..."

Thought that his use of the word "again" is significant. Why risk his life again? In the context of what we now know, that the doping doctor was worried that he had given Lance the cancer that he had to get treated for, having got over it successfully, why would he go back and do the same thing again?

Seems like an inadvertent admission all those years ago. Anyway, just an observation.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

Lol! You're buddies with Floyd eh? Why not have him come here and post, since you know, you guys are such good "friends"?

For all we know he could be here.

Back in the day Floyd was on a message board.

It does appear that DM is actual real life friends with Floyd.

Nah. I just guessed that Floyd would do an interview with Sports Illustrated and it would appear in this week's issue. Pure luck, really.

Floyd registered here back in the day. His account was banned after his first post. In his place the forum had to put up with JV's self serving scat. What a terrible trade.

For what it is worth - I do believe that a close friend of LA was here and was permabanninated also. I had heard back around 09 someone else had an account here and it was also banninated.

 

[D-Queued]

Re: Re:

FINALLY
Lance has made it big
BBC Radio 4 Drama have done a one man show all about him:
listen to it here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07hj8b8
:Neutral:

Witty guy, must be even funnier as a live show.

On another note, I looked at The Armstrong Lie (Alex Gibney) recently and a comment from Lance struck me. On the Larry King show he says:

"If you consider my situation...a guy comes back from, arguably you know, a death sentence...why would I then enter into a sport and dope myself up and risk my life again...that's crazy, I would never do that...and that, that's...no, no way..."

Thought that his use of the word "again" is significant. Why risk his life again? In the context of what we now know, that the doping doctor was worried that he had given Lance the cancer that he had to get treated for, having got over it successfully, why would he go back and do the same thing again?

Seems like an inadvertent admission all those years ago. Anyway, just an observation.

Yes, always thought that was a strange turn of phrase. Especially when you know/knew that he was lying about doping in the first place.

The implication vis-a-vis cancer remains an unresolved question. Or, at least one supported by a fair degree of circumstantial evidence.

Said implication(s) could, of course, be further clarified through an accurate recital of the hospital room dialog (yes, I know, dream on). Was the question 'what medications are you on', or 'what drugs have you taken' and was it an innocent question that was answered completely (possibly more completely than Lance might have), or was it a leading question with concerns on the implications of banninated substances wrt cancer?

Thus, that dialog has a whole lot more implication than whether Betsy was right or not, and even whether Stephanie perjured herself or not.

Adding this last aside to try and avoid another ten pages of banter about those topics and hopefully focus on whether PEDs contributed to, caused, or accelerated the cancer in any way. It would be nice to know.

Dave.

 

[Microchip]

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Adding this last aside to try and avoid another ten pages of banter about those topics and hopefully focus on whether PEDs contributed to, caused, or accelerated the cancer in any way. It would be nice to know.

Dave.

In fact, I've read that the doctor was anxious over Lance's cancer diagnosis, wondering if he contributed to it...not sure if it's in Tyler's book or another book, but I did read it for a fact, that's how I knew he was working with him at least in his early-twenties.

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

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In fact, I've read that the doctor was anxious over Lance's cancer diagnosis, wondering if he contributed to it...not sure if it's in Tyler's book or another book, but I did read it for a fact, that's how I knew he was working with him at least in his early-twenties.

Tyler wrote that Floyd said that Ferrari told him he was worried "that steroids had given Lance testicular cancer in the first place." (chapter 14)

 

[Microchip]

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Tyler wrote that Floyd said that Ferrari told him he was worried "that steroids had given Lance testicular cancer in the first place." (chapter 14)

Yes! That's it! Thanks for the verification and reference.

I think what Lance said in the Larry King interview was a slip of the tongue revealing that he was doped up before, got sick because of it, hence he said why would he go and do that again?

 

[thehog]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

Feds call Lance Armstrong 'a doper, dealer and liar' in scathing new rebuke

The federal government fired off another scathing rebuke against Lance Armstrong late Monday, calling the former cyclist “a doper, dealer, and liar” who abused his position and power to enhance his legacy, status and fortune.

It is seeking nearly $100 million in damages and on Monday filed a withering 59-page document to press its case.

“No sponsor who knew the truth about how Armstrong achieved his apparent Tour de France victories would have paid any amount of money to sponsor him or his team,” U.S. Justice Department attorneys wrote.

The government is suing Armstrong for fraud and other claims on behalf of the U.S. Postal Service, which paid more than $40 million to sponsor his cycling team more than a decade ago.

In April, Armstrong’s attorneys asked a judge to throw out the government’s case in summary judgment, saying it was misguided and essentially worthless. The government responded to that request with its filing Monday in the U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C.

“Armstrong’s motion for summary judgment should be denied in its entirety, and this Court should set a date for trial,” government attorneys wrote

The government ripped that notion Monday.

“In the final analysis, Armstrong induced the USPS to pay him and his associates more than $40 million by lying about his and the team’s doping, and the USPS is now publicly and indelibly linked to one of the biggest sports scandals in history,” government attorneys wrote. “This clearly was not what the USPS bargained or paid for.”

The government also said “Armstrong’s claims about the value of the benefits resulting from the sponsorship rest on a patchwork of unreliable data and half-truths, untethered to any economic or legal principle.”

Citing a different case, the government said the proper measure of damages is “the difference between the value of the goods or services actually provided by the contractor and the value the goods or services would have had to the government had they been delivered as promised.”

The government says the value of the sponsorship was zero, because nobody would have sponsored him if the truth were known about his doping.

“Although the record clearly demonstrates that Armstrong’s use and encouragement of doping destroyed the market value of the USPS sponsorship, Armstrong nevertheless argues that the USPS suffered no damages because it received certain consequential benefits from that sponsorship during the period that everyone was duped into believing he was riding clean,” the government wrote. “However, these consequential benefits do not entitle Armstrong to any credit as a legal matter, and as a factual matter these claimed benefits are both overstated, and swamped by the negative consequential harms that occurred (and continue to occur) following the disclosure of his cheating.”

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/cycling/2016/07/12/feds-lance-armstrong-rebuke-doper-dealer-liar/86978852/

 

[DirtyWorks]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/cycling/2016/07/12/feds-lance-armstrong-rebuke-doper-dealer-liar/86978852/

Thom Wiesel, who is still running USA Cycling, says "It's not fraud because doping is okay."

 

[86TDFWinner]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/cycling/2016/07/12/feds-lance-armstrong-rebuke-doper-dealer-liar/86978852/

Thom Wiesel, who is still running USA Cycling, says "It's not fraud because doping is okay."

Lol. I wonder if he's working with Froome or others? Wiesel is a tool

 

[MarkvW]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/cycling/2016/07/12/feds-lance-armstrong-rebuke-doper-dealer-liar/86978852/

Thom Wiesel, who is still running USA Cycling, says "It's not fraud because doping is okay."

Where did you find that quote?

 

[DirtyWorks]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/cycling/2016/07/12/feds-lance-armstrong-rebuke-doper-dealer-liar/86978852/

Thom Wiesel, who is still running USA Cycling, says "It's not fraud because doping is okay."

Where did you find that quote?

I made it up. The guy has a history of doping doctors on all of his cycling teams, including USPS. And then there are all the never tested positives at USA Cycling and advanced notification of testing, and, and, and....

If you wanted some red meat, the claim is he told Lemond athletes should be free to choose, or something like that.

 

[aphronesis]

Chinese whispers. Still working that vein.

What might have been....

 

[D-Queued]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/cycling/2016/07/12/feds-lance-armstrong-rebuke-doper-dealer-liar/86978852/

Thom Wiesel, who is still running USA Cycling, says "It's not fraud because doping is okay."

Where did you find that quote?

I made it up. The guy has a history of doping doctors on all of his cycling teams, including USPS. And then there are all the never tested positives at USA Cycling and advanced notification of testing, and, and, and....

If you wanted some red meat, the claim is he told Lemond athletes should be free to choose, or something like that.

Really wish the quote was real, though. It is just so perfect.

We will just have to settle for the latest in calling a spade a spade.

Maybe I should change my siggy now: Feds call Lance Armstrong 'a doper, dealer and liar'

Awesome.

Dave.

 

[sniper]

Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession

...
I made it up. The guy has a history of doping doctors on all of his cycling teams, including USPS. And then there are all the never tested positives at USA Cycling and advanced notification of testing, and, and, and....

If you wanted some red meat, the claim is he told Lemond athletes should be free to choose, or something like that.

Weisel, paid Borysewicz big money to coach him from 1985 onwards.
If you look at his masters palmares, starting in 1989 into the early 90s, there's no doubt in my mind he was one of the first EPO users. Being Amgen's principal funder/exploiter (Montgomery Securities), he had the access to that stuff. Big hairy elephant in the room is of course that Lemond invested in Montgomery Securities. But luckily it's the wrong thread for that so we can move on quickly.

 

[doperhopper]

in summary: Lance joins Floyd, obtaining a status of officially recognized dealer

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrong-a-doper-dealer-and-liar-says-us-federal-government/

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/floyd-landis-starts-cannabis-product-business-in-colorado

 

[Benotti69]

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in summary: Lance joins Floyd, obtaining a status of officially recognized dealer

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrong-a-doper-dealer-and-liar-says-us-federal-government/

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/floyd-landis-starts-cannabis-product-business-in-colorado

Landis made sure to go the legal dealing route. Armstrong not that smart! :lol:

 

[aphronesis]

The US govt. calling others drug dealers is rich.