Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[mewmewmew13]

Thanks for answering the question I came here to ask. Makes sense. Now.

So, regardless of whether they made any money due to the sponsorship (did they?), they paid to be sponsors of a CLEAN rider/team. Turns out that's not what they were sponsoring, so they should get their money back, plus penalties... Hmm. This case might be stronger than I thought it would be.

I don't think the Feds would have bothered to join the case had it not been a strong case.
Lance and his goons/legal team would like the world to think they have the upper hand on savvy and brains..but that is pure spin.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

Yup.

It is interesting to compare this to the original filing. This one is much stronger.

I can't find the actual filing. Link?

 

[Race Radio]

I can't find the actual filing. Link?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/137774762/United-States-v-Tailwind-Sports-Lance-Armstrong

 

[Scott SoCal]

I don't think "we" should do anything. I think that the riders should aggressively unionize to protect their interests.

ME TOO!! I was just thinking the same thing.

The really cool part?? Cycling will have unions as strong as MLB and the NFL. Cycling will have rampant drug use protected and endorsed by the Donald Martin Fehr's of this world.

Can't wait.

Cycling will get real exciting like it was in the late 1990's. Early 2000's. Really enjoyed the Armstrong victories, as did you, and hopefully we can return to the era of cycling purity.

 

[Stingray34]

You make a false claim to get federal money . . ..

I contract with the federal government to make Weapon X for the U.S. Army. I certify that I made Weapon X for the U.S. Army. I get paid by the U.S. for making Weapon X for the U.S. Army.

The United States of America then sues me.

I can't defend by saying "I provided Weapon Y for the U.S. Army. Weapon Y was a really good weapon. The Army LOVED Weapon Y. I can produce lots of testimony that Weapon Y was WAY better than Weapon X."

That argument really sucks for Lance.

It does suck, but it appears to not even be true: I remember some documents from USPS that found the cycling investment a waste of money. RR would have them somewhere. Not only is LA barking up the wrong tree, an arborist has declared it dead.

 

[MarkvW]

ME TOO!! I was just thinking the same thing.

The really cool part?? Cycling will have unions as strong as MLB and the NFL. Cycling will have rampant drug use protected and endorsed by the Donald Martin Fehr's of this world.

Can't wait.

Cycling will get real exciting like it was in the late 1990's. Early 2000's. Really enjoyed the Armstrong victories, as did you, and hopefully we can return to the era of cycling purity.

Glad to see that you'd like to see a union that can stand up to the corrupt UCI!

 

[Scott SoCal]

Glad to see that you'd like to see a union that can stand up to the corrupt UCI!

The bulk of the peloton is weak and is exploited by ruthless promoters.

Other than the disastrous Tour of China, what races does the UCI promote?

Why paint race promoters with the same brush as he UCI? That's shameful.

 

[MarkvW]

It does suck, but it appears to not even be true: I remember some documents from USPS that found the cycling investment a waste of money. RR would have them somewhere. Not only is LA barking up the wrong tree, an arborist has declared it dead.

I agree. I couldn't believe USPS was wasting its money promoting a sport.

 

[MarkvW]

Other than the disastrous Tour of China, what races does the UCI promote?

Why paint race promoters with the same brush as he UCI? That's shameful.

Interesting anti-cyclist's union post . . ..

 

[Scott SoCal]

Interesting anti-cyclist's union post . . ..

Interesting pro doping protection in cycling post.

Open your eyes. You, more than most, really need to.

Edit: you really should at least attempt (occasionally) answering direct questions. This is a cycling message board not a professional political arena.

 

[MarkvW]

Interesting pro doping protection in cycling post.

Open your eyes. You, more than most, really need to.

Edit: you really should at least attempt (occasionally) answering direct questions. This is a cycling message board not a professional political arena.

When you ask rhetorical questions, you shouldn't expect answers.

 

[sartain]

She strikes me as a touchy-feely-weepy individual who is still quite infatuated with Lance.

She strikes my as an air head.

 

[sartain]

Armstrong deserves to be screwed, but Landis doesn't deserve to benefit in any way.
Landis receiving any payment after the *** he has been up to, is simply ridiculous.
The players in this farce continue to be an embarrassment to their sport and country.

I disagree . . . the players in this farce are a direct reflection of how business and government operate in the land of milk and honey.

 

[Oldman]

I don't think the Feds would have bothered to join the case had it not been a strong case.
Lance and his goons/legal team would like the world to think they have the upper hand on savvy and brains..but that is pure spin.

Now that the Presidential politics are in the past it's time to settle some scores...think Martha Stewart on steriods. Nothing satisfies budget cutting politicians/Justice Dept like a show pony fraud case to show they're vigilant. And this has a two-fer-throw in an unsavory Securities dealer to boot.
Hopefully we'll get to close this whole episode by finding out how they all made money from this operation and whether Lance's denouement will have him singing like a canary.

 

[Merckx index]

Landis didn't have guts, he just had nothing to lose.

Neither did Tyler, but for several years he didn’t confess. Even after the GJ forced him to, there was still a lengthy period before he agreed to go public. If you read Tyler’s book, you will understand that even when you have nothing to lose, it’s still very difficult to confess.

Only when he'd run out of options. If he'd had guts, he'd have ripped the lid off the can of worms when he got busted in 2006. Instead, he carried on lying and cheating for several more years.

He really couldn’t have, not at that time. Even in 2010, when the situation was more favorable, it was far from certain that Floyd’s confession was going to have any impact on LA. Let’s not forget that a year ago, the federal investigation against LA had been dropped, and most in the Clinic thought that LA would get away scot-free. It took some extraordinary persistence by USADA, and a few other former teammates who were finally willing to talk. Like Tyler and some others, who definitely were not willing to come out back in 2006.

And this has a two-fer-throw in an unsavory Securities dealer to boot.

It was reported a while back that Weisel was negotiating separately with the feds. This is the one guy in the Tailwind gang, of course, who could easily pay all of the triple damages. My guess is he will offer to pay the government some relatively small fraction of the $120 million total, if in return he can receive a guarantee that he has no future liability. IOW, if the government wins a large judgment against LA, Weisel would like to ensure that LA can’t turn around and sue him to pay his share of that.

Someone familiar with the law in these matters can comment on whether this is feasible. If it is, it seems to me that the government is not the only one out-maneuvering LA. He could be left holding a very large bag. I’m not sure, but I think next to Weisel, LA has the deepest pockets in the bunch, and would have the most at risk in this situation.

 

[webvan]

It seems unlikely the Feds would give Weisel a deal lower than 3x the amount of the contract, why would they, it's a slam dunk.

I agree. I couldn't believe USPS was wasting its money promoting a sport.

True, but it's a good thing they did, because if it had been any other entity, say Nike or whatever, there would be no case to speak of at this time and Dopestrong would still be laughing all the way to the bank.

 

[Scott SoCal]

When you ask rhetorical questions, you shouldn't expect answers.

Neither question was rhetorical.

You said;

The bulk of the peloton is weak and is exploited by ruthless promoters.

I think that the riders should aggressively unionize to protect their interests.

Glad to see that you'd like to see a union that can stand up to the corrupt UCI!

I asked what races does the UCI promote (tour of China notwithstanding) and why you would paint race promoters with the same brush as the UCI?

Anytime you are ready.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Anyone have a video of Simeoni attacking on Champs-Elysees and postal chasing him down and of .. iirc... Ekimov giving him the finger or something?

 

[Weapons of @ss Destruction]

Anyone have a video of Simeoni attacking on Champs-Elysees and postal chasing him down and of .. iirc... Ekimov giving him the finger or something?

It wasn't on the Champs-Elysees, and it's commonly accepted that Ekimov actully spat on Simeoni in the midst of the peloton shortly afterwards same stage once he had been brought back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taWGQNKUgQQ

 

[DirtyWorks]

I’m not sure, but I think next to Weisel, LA has the deepest pockets in the bunch, and would have the most at risk in this situation.

If Wiesel turns, it seems to me he loses one of the objects he desires. The mancrush is heavy and obvious.

I'm not disagreeing with you in any way though, because I sure don't know any better. Part of the fun of watching these scumbags is the depths of depravity they reach.

 

[MarkvW]

If Wiesel turns, it seems to me he loses one of the objects he desires. The mancrush is heavy and obvious.

I'm not disagreeing with you in any way though, because I sure don't know any better. Part of the fun of watching these scumbags is the depths of depravity they reach.

Is Weisel in any financial jeopardy now?

 

[DirtyWorks]

why you would paint race promoters with the same brush as the UCI?

Historically, they could and did play some important role in testing. See the following stories about the Giro during the CERA-positives TdF controversies.

Zomegnan promises to test for CERA
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=4151892

Zomegnan reneges on promise
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=3634291

Now? This is an open question.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Is Weisel in any financial jeopardy now?

Besides the Qui Tam thing? Probably not. Worst case scenario he pays in full. He's not going to miss the money. He hasn'te even been mentioned being investigated for a well-deserved WADA ban like Marti.

About average for these theives is hating to lose to the Government. It's never, ever about the money for guys like him.

 

[MarkvW]

Besides the Qui Tam thing? Probably not. Worst case scenario he pays in full. He's not going to miss the money. He hasn'te even been mentioned being investigated for a well-deserved WADA ban like Marti.

About average for these theives is hating to lose to the Government. It's never, ever about the money for guys like him.

Was Weisel named as a defendant in the qui tam? I haven't seen the complaint yet.

 

[Race Radio]

If Wiesel turns, it seems to me he loses one of the objects he desires. The mancrush is heavy and obvious.
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