Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[Briant_Gumble]

Greg is on Anderson Cooper later. An extract below from it.



http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2...ance-champ-greglemond-speaks-wandersoncooper/

Pulling no punches.

 

[42x16ss]

Wow, that's pretty intense. People are going to think he's a bit unhinged.

I'd be p!ssed off too if someone had my livelihood destroyed, slandered my name in the media, had their fans send intimidating messages, offered money for proof of me doping etc etc.

I think people are starting to forget WHY Lemond and Armstrong hate each others guts. I also think that there is a fair number of people who never knew at all, just look at the comments section of todays CN article.

It seems a percentage of the fanboys are getting over their disappointment

 

[thehog]

I'd be p!ssed off too if someone had my livelihood destroyed, slandered my name in the media, had their fans send intimidating messages, offered money for proof of me doping etc etc.

I think people are starting to forget WHY Lemond and Armstrong hate each others guts. I also think that there is a fair number of people who never knew at all, just look at the comments section of todays CN article.

It seems a percentage of the fanboys are getting over their disappointment

Lance saved lives. With a yellow bracelet.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Wow, that's pretty intense. People are going to think he's a bit unhinged.

Why? It's true.

The money made on pure fraud alone makes it criminal.

 

[D-Queued]

Why? It's true.

The money made on pure fraud alone makes it criminal.

Methinks he was doing some deja vu as we collectively wait for the response from Public Strategies interns.

Then again, I could be wrong.

Dave.

 

[rata de sentina]

Wow, that's pretty intense. People are going to think he's a bit unhinged.

Well LeMond hates LA and with plenty of justification. Why wouldn't you wish the worst on your sworn enemy. Personally I find his attitude refreshing. Sure it's good when some swine gets a bit of comeuppance but sometimes it's not enough.

 

[benzwire]

I imagine Greg feels about Lance like Lance feels about Tygart. I'd be ****ed too. Lance is a sociopath. He's reaping the results of his actions.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

From CN's excerpt from the book:

Landis decided it was time, finally, to send his e-mail to Johnson, copying a small number of officials from USA Cycling and the UCI. On Friday, April 30, 2010, at about 6:20 in the evening, he hit the send button on the 1,080- word e-mail, which portrayed the US Postal team for what it was: a sports team with a sophisticated doping program, with Armstrong at its center, the ringleader.

I will never forget reading the email the morning after it was published. I just kept repeating over and over "holy fu*king sh!t." I will always have admiration for Mr. Landis because of that day. When you read gut level honesty, it is unmistakable. I saw him about a month later in the Nevada City race, and applauded and cheered him. But I was one of the few. There were many nasty comments thrown his way that day. I just hope the idiots who threw them had the common decency to have themselves sterilized so that they end their cesspool DNA strains.

Lance Armstrong does deserve jail time for what he did. Too bad somebody got to somebody, and the case against him was dropped.

 

[Neworld]

From CN's excerpt from the book:

Lance Armstrong does deserve jail time for what he did. Too bad somebody got to somebody, and the case against him was dropped.

Every dog has his day...Lancey will have many months of it in jail.

GL has always spoken the truth, now he has his rightful audience. Good for him.
NW

 

[Big Doopie]

GL has always spoken the truth, now he has his rightful audience. Good for him.
NW

Yes. So true. The truth always. It really is heartwarming when justice is actually served.

A couple of thoughts on the interview.

1. Criminal.
2. Prison.

Two things I have called for on these and other forums. I do not get the people who say he did nothing "seriously" wrong. He committed egregious criminal acts... And profitted from them. He should go to prison.

Has anyone heard from his poor mother, the woman who once asked Greg how to make her son "less of an a$$hole". No luck there given that he's a sociopath. Best place for him is prison.

 

[MarkvW]

Every dog has his day...Lancey will have many months of it in jail.

GL has always spoken the truth, now he has his rightful audience. Good for him.
NW

"Many months in jail" is wishful thinking.

 

[DanielsDad]

Why? It's true.

The money made on pure fraud alone makes it criminal.

Was it a hoax or fraud?

What is the criminal act? I didn't see one stated by Lemond. "Ruining lives" is not a crime. Nor is "not even in the top 30". All those that think there was a crime should stick to the same talking points - fraud - and focus on why Lance should be charged while others are not.

I was one of those kids that also thought wrestling was real. Those that wrestled all faked it for monetary gain and I was duped (so kinda meets the definition of fraud), and I don't think they are criminals. Because some 30 to 200 cyclists did/do the same thing and one does it more makes it a difficult fraud case IMO. That he is a bad guy and ruins lives too, does not make it a crime automatically.

 

[D-Queued]

"Many months in jail" is wishful thinking.

Yes. You are right.

Poor Lance won't get that wish. He may yet face years instead of months.

Dave.

 

[red_flanders]

I'd be p!ssed off too if someone had my livelihood destroyed, slandered my name in the media, had their fans send intimidating messages, offered money for proof of me doping etc etc.

I think people are starting to forget WHY Lemond and Armstrong hate each others guts. I also think that there is a fair number of people who never knew at all, just look at the comments section of todays CN article.

It seems a percentage of the fanboys are getting over their disappointment

Ease down, amigo. I get why he says it and I can see why he'd feel justified. I'm a huge fan of Lemond.

I think people watching Anderson Cooper 360, in general, are going to think he's over the top. Just don't think it's a good Greg PR move to suggest they guy should go to jail. Let that stuff take care of itself at this point. No need dragging your name into the mud in such a mainstream appearance.

 

[MarkvW]

Yes. You are right.

Poor Lance won't get that wish. He may yet face years instead of months.

Dave.

That's really wishful thinking.

The most he's looking at is first time offender time for obstructing justice, or something like that. But the feds haven't even moved on that front. Looks like they are putting all their eggs in the civil enforcement basket. Still . . . time will tell.

 

[BroDeal]

Was it a hoax or fraud?

What is the criminal act? I didn't see one stated by Lemond. "Ruining lives" is not a crime. Nor is "not even in the top 30". All those that think there was a crime should stick to the same talking points - fraud - and focus on why Lance should be charged while others are not.

I was one of those kids that also thought wrestling was real. Those that wrestled all faked it for monetary gain and I was duped (so kinda meets the definition of fraud), and I don't think they are criminals. Because some 30 to 200 cyclists did/do the same thing and one does it more makes it a difficult fraud case IMO. That he is a bad guy and ruins lives too, does not make it a crime automatically.

I feel sad for Daniel.

 

[MarkvW]

Was it a hoax or fraud?

What is the criminal act? I didn't see one stated by Lemond. "Ruining lives" is not a crime. Nor is "not even in the top 30". All those that think there was a crime should stick to the same talking points - fraud - and focus on why Lance should be charged while others are not.

I was one of those kids that also thought wrestling was real. Those that wrestled all faked it for monetary gain and I was duped (so kinda meets the definition of fraud), and I don't think they are criminals. Because some 30 to 200 cyclists did/do the same thing and one does it more makes it a difficult fraud case IMO. That he is a bad guy and ruins lives too, does not make it a crime automatically.

Lance delivered controlled substances, he conspired to deliver controlled substances, he defrauded USPS. He did lots of criminal stuff! Problem is that his conspiracy worked too well. His co-conspirators didn't start snitching him off until years after the USPS transaction had concluded.

I think that the case just got too old for the feds to criminally prosecute. Others here impute improper motives to the federal government. Still, it's quite wrong to suggest that Lance didn't commit any crimes.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Lance delivered controlled substances, he conspired to deliver controlled substances, he defrauded USPS. He did lots of criminal stuff! Problem is that his conspiracy worked too well. His co-conspirators didn't start snitching him off until years after the USPS transaction had concluded.

I think that the case just got too old for the feds to criminally prosecute. Others here impute improper motives to the federal government. Still, it's quite wrong to suggest that Lance didn't commit any crimes.

Hmmm, but Mark none of his co-conspirators snitched.

Not sure what you mean by that, obviously not Floyd or anyone, because doping is not a crime, so it can't be him.....

While IMO LA should not (& will not) see jailtime for doping, intimidation of witnesses and obstructing justice could come back at him yet.

 

[MarkvW]

Hmmm, but Mark none of his co-conspirators snitched.

Not sure what you mean by that, obviously not Floyd or anyone, because doping is not a crime, so it can't be him.....

While IMO LA should not (& will not) see jailtime for doping, intimidation of witnesses and obstructing justice could come back at him yet.

Forget Floyd for a second. Hincapie, the omerta-enforcer was obviously a co-conspirator.

Possession of steroids is a crime. Possession of EPO without a prescription is a crime. Delivery of either is a crime. Conspiring to deliver either is a crime.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Forget Floyd for a second. Hincapie, the omerta-enforcer was obviously a co-conspirator.

Possession of steroids is a crime. Possession of EPO without a prescription is a crime. Delivery of either is a crime. Conspiring to deliver either is a crime.

Neither was caught in possession of steroids or EPO.
No crime.

The co-conspirators were the other Tailwind members.
I do not expect any to serve prison time, unless they pursue LA on the witness intimation or obstructing justice.

 

[aphronesis]

Forget Floyd for a second. Hincapie, the omerta-enforcer was obviously a co-conspirator.

Possession of steroids is a crime. Possession of EPO without a prescription is a crime. Delivery of either is a crime. Conspiring to deliver either is a crime.

You should be a little more precise Mark and specify the country. Where? In Spain?

While you're at it. Possession of cocaine is also a crime--turns many into deeply unpleasant individuals--you should get riled up about that while you're on a roll.

 

[DanielsDad]

Assuming this would be a USA court.
Specifically:
What crime can he be convicted of?

I am not an attorney, but try to use CSI kind of speak. "Ruining lives" does not count.

 

[DanielsDad]

I feel sad for Daniel.

Why?
Daniel was only sad I used his name - but you don't know who he is do you?

 

[Bannockburn]

It seems a percentage of the fanboys are getting over their disappointment

I knew I shouldn't have gone and read them, but I did. All of them. Depressing.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Assuming this would be a USA court.
Specifically:
What crime can he be convicted of?

I am not an attorney, but try to use CSI kind of speak. "Ruining lives" does not count.

Witness intimidation
Drug trafficking
Obstruction of justice

Regardless of the technicalities of the legal system as brutal as a (fraudulent) hero to (exposed) zero story it is, I do believe Lance deserves to go to jail and more than Marion Jones or Tim Montgomery did.

Lance did a lot of damage to society, not just to the lives of people he ruined but also to many kids growing up who wanted to be professional athletes, looked at Lance and genuinely believed that you could win without drugs.