Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[thehog]

I hope CN comes up with 50 parts of it, so the world grasps the kind of C#NT he is, ever at the bottom...

BTW 09 CLEAN? LOL - i mean - podium "clean", but winning tittle had he decided to use the juice? He's just either so delusional or so accustomed to lie that BS keeps coming out naturally...

Highlights:

LeMond and Hampston had to be doping
Its not Hein's fault, what could he do?
Pat is a knob but its not his fault either
Euros doped a lot, high-octane stuff.
I worked really really hard.
Clean for the comeback
I won't talk about the details here
I was just another doper in the peloton, not much else
Others sports are dopers also
The government is leaking information about me

 

[pmcg76]

You really think that?

One used cancer to shield himself from criticism and publicly lied under big media scrutiny about his PED use and under oath in SCA, and publicly attacked others. The other just spouts anti-doping and runs a cycling team.

Me thinks you need to re-compute.

This might be a first but I think I agree with you. The worst part for me was the public adulation of Armstrong whilst knowing he was a complete fraud. The absolute low was going to see a stage of the Tour of Ireland in 09 and seeing all those 'Hope ride's again' posters. I wanted to physically attack the idiots holding up those stupid posters.

Though I think the idea of pimping an anti-doping team whilst blatantly doping would rank pretty low on the cynicism chart as well.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

At least JV tried, and we shall all remember w/o him there would be no such interviews of LA.
I think JV gets too much flak sometimes (i mean generally in the clinic).

 

[Stingray34]

Highlights:

LeMond and Hampston had to be doping
Its not Hein's fault, what could he do?
Pat is a knob but its not his fault either
Euros doped a lot, high-octane stuff.
I worked really really hard.
Clean for the comeback
I won't talk about the details here
I was just another doper in the peloton, not much else
Others sports are dopers also
The government is leaking information about me

Also: Ok, I did use the cancer shield, but I was always doing it for them, my real constituency.

No blacklist, but there were guys we just wouldn't talk to.

Nothing I say makes sense, I'm really confused.

Your evidence means squat, I'm telling you how it was, even if I have no evidence of my own.

 

[Big Doopie]

You really think that?

One used cancer to shield himself from criticism and publicly lied under big media scrutiny about his PED use and under oath in SCA, and publicly attacked others. The other just spouts anti-doping and runs a cycling team.

Me thinks you need to re-compute.

Holy crapola! I agree with chrisE!! Like 100%!!

 

[ChrisE]

Holy crapola! I agree with chrisE!! Like 100%!!

Don't get carried away. I saw your post about him having no talent.

Right. Winning the worlds at 21 and placing high in classics before he started using EPO at 23 is no talent. Only within the walls of the clinic can such foolishness go unchallenged except for the random times I care to contribute. It's actually pretty funny, so good job.

BTW, you don't have to condone his actions off the bike to look at his actions on the bike during that time in an objective manner.

 

[IndianCyclist]

Highlights:

LeMond and Hampston had to be doping
Its not Hein's fault, what could he do?
Pat is a knob but its not his fault either
Euros doped a lot, high-octane stuff.
I worked really really hard.
Clean for the comeback
I won't talk about the details here
I was just another doper in the peloton, not much else
Others sports are dopers also
The government is leaking information about me

He wont say the details as he wants to earn some money with a book.

 

[D-Queued]

Don't get carried away. I saw your post about him having no talent.

Right. Winning the worlds at 21 and placing high in classics before he started using EPO at 23 is no talent. Only within the walls of the clinic can such foolishness go unchallenged except for the random times I care to contribute. It's actually pretty funny, so good job.

BTW, you don't have to condone his actions off the bike to look at his actions on the bike during that time in an objective manner.

1. Lance had talent
2. Lance's talent at doping and taking advantage of others outweighed his athletic talents
3. We cannot separate the talent from the doping

Greg Lemond may have been praising or criticizing Lance with his comment that Lance might have been top 30.

We just don't know.

Dave.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Don't get carried away. I saw your post about him having no talent.

Right. Winning the worlds at 21 and placing high in classics before he started using EPO at 23 is no talent. Only within the walls of the clinic can such foolishness go unchallenged except for the random times I care to contribute. It's actually pretty funny, so good job.

Amgen (applied molecular genetics) was founded in 1980. Founded through funding from Thomas Weisel. Owner of USPS.

The US team was doing USAC sanctioned blood doping at the 84 Olympics yeah?

If you think LA did Worlds without significant assistance, based on Lance saying he was not on EPO yet. Well. Too many pieces of that jigsaw puzzle fit together differently to allow me to agree.

 

[Big Doopie]

Don't get carried away. I saw your post about him having no talent.

Right. Winning the worlds at 21 and placing high in classics before he started using EPO at 23 is no talent. Only within the walls of the clinic can such foolishness go unchallenged except for the random times I care to contribute. It's actually pretty funny, so good job.

BTW, you don't have to condone his actions off the bike to look at his actions on the bike during that time in an objective manner.

That's much more like it. Phew.

Yeah, you're right I do think he was talent-free. In a clean world with a natural 38 hct and a vo2 in the 70s (the one 80 quote is from Carmichael for goodness sakes!) your fraud boy would have been lucky to make top 30 in a gt.

And btw don't you even get it, his actions on the bike are utterly fueled by drugs. You can't separate his on bike actions and his off bike. They are one and the same. He is a talent-free sociopath who cannot fathom how after his father abandoned him and his mother realized he was an a$$hole, that the world would conspire again against him and make a ton of pro riders more naturally talented than him. The reason he accuses hampsten and Lemond of doping high octane is because he knew he needed to. He cannot comprehend or accept the fact that life made him just an average hack.

I dare to say even chiappucci had more natural gt talent.

 

[DirtyWorks]

...Right. Winning the worlds at 21 and placing high in classics before he started using EPO at 23 is no talent...

Doped. Pre-EPO dope. What exactly? Who knows!

What else do we know? Chris Carmichael's policy was take what's in the needle "extract of cortisone" or get off the team.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504803_...somethings-fishy-in-cycling-our-first-report/
That's from 2001. Doping doper who doped on teams run by dyed-in-the-wool cheat Chris Carmichael and later Wiesel.

Armstrong is still covering for that scumbag as recently as this "interview."

 

[DirtyWorks]

...He cannot comprehend or accept the fact that life made him just an average hack.

I dare to say even chiappucci had more natural gt talent.

Imagine what being such a royal a-hole would have been like if he wasn't a super-responder. It would make Meathead seem... gentle? Yet, still a legend in his own mind.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Also: Ok, I did use the cancer shield, but I was always doing it for them, my real constituency.

Nothing I say makes sense, I'm really confused.

Your evidence means squat, I'm telling you how it was.

Don't be offended Hog, but I like this one better. More concise.

 

[darwin553]

And why is Lance doing any interviews now, when his ill-gotten fortune is in jeopardy?

Because with every little word that he puts out there that twists the truth it either reduces the chance of him being prosecuted for lying on the stand or mitigates whatever penalty might ensue because of a successful prosecution.

 

[darwin553]

Right. Winning the worlds at 21 and placing high in classics before he started using EPO at 23 is no talent.

Yeah for sure he had talent pre-PED but only for the classics and never for the GTs.

 

[ChrisE]

Yeah for sure he had talent pre-PED but only for the classics and never for the GTs.

I have no rebuttal to that, and we will never know. I don't take what he said in part 1 of the interview at face value, nor do I toss it aside.

 

[ChrisE]

That's much more like it. Phew.

Yeah, you're right I do think he was talent-free. In a clean world with a natural 38 hct and a vo2 in the 70s (the one 80 quote is from Carmichael for goodness sakes!) your fraud boy would have been lucky to make top 30 in a gt.

And btw don't you even get it, his actions on the bike are utterly fueled by drugs. You can't separate his on bike actions and his off bike. They are one and the same. He is a talent-free sociopath who cannot fathom how after his father abandoned him and his mother realized he was an a$$hole, that the world would conspire again against him and make a ton of pro riders more naturally talented than him. The reason he accuses hampsten and Lemond of doping high octane is because he knew he needed to. He cannot comprehend or accept the fact that life made him just an average hack.

I dare to say even chiappucci had more natural gt talent.

I shouldn't have said actions; I meant talent on the bike vs his actions off of it.

I am not following where he accused AH or GL of using EPO in this interview. Of course I am aware of the GL issue way back. Can you be specific in the present? He said he wasn't aware of what AH was doing when asked about drug use when he joined the sport. He accused him of nothing, and like I wrote upthread to FF there is a lot of proxy going on in this forum right now about when EPO started, effects of steroids, etc. Go rant in those threads.

BTW, his EPO use starting in 1995 is I believe documented by one of the affidavits in the USADA decision, which I don't care to dig up to be more specific. This squares with what he said in the interview. If you want to believe something other than that and that he had no talent it is obviously your prerogative.

I don't, and by the way neither does TH and FL per their interviews inre to talent. You have nobody of any standing in the sport accusing him of having no talent...only the clinic frat house. But wouldn't this be a boring place if it was just you and Benotti yucking it up calling names and joking about his personal life instead some party poopers like me offering other opinion?

Edit: Did a google search and it was Swart that said EPO use on Motorola didn't start until 1995, per decision made by senior riders including LA.

http://lancearmstrongdoping.blogspot.com/2011/06/lance-armstrong-and-doping-early-years.html

 

[vedrafjord]

And why is Lance doing any interviews now, when his ill-gotten fortune is in jeopardy?

Because with every little word that he puts out there that twists the truth it either reduces the chance of him being prosecuted for lying on the stand or mitigates whatever penalty might ensue because of a successful prosecution.

Also to appeal to his own vanity. After Landis and Tyler and the rest's blow-by-by accounts, he can't plausibly deny that his TdF victories weren't heavily helped along with transfusions, EPO, testosterone, HGH, Costisone, Actovegin, etc., as well as a doctor in Ferrari who knew how much to use and when, as opposed to the Kelme "stick out your arm and hopefully this will make you go faster and not kill you" approach. Now that (most of) the great unwashed think his TdF victories are worthless, he's talking up his pre-cancer (specifically 1995 and before) and post-comeback career, as 'low-octane doping' and 'clean' respectively, and reiterating the 'level playing field' nonsense. Given that his 'clean comeback' in the 2009 Tour was big big bull****, why should we take his word about the 93 world championships etc at face value?

 

[del1962]

Highlights:

LeMond and Hampston had to be doping
Its not Hein's fault, what could he do?
Pat is a knob but its not his fault either
Euros doped a lot, high-octane stuff.
I worked really really hard.
Clean for the comeback
I won't talk about the details here
I was just another doper in the peloton, not much else
Others sports are dopers also
The government is leaking information about me

Plus, David Walsh is worse than I am.

 

[rhubroma]

Personally I blame the idiotic US fanfare, as much as Lance himself. How can people have ever believed in a clean sport? LA took full advantage of people's sheer stupidity in building his empire, which also places more burden on his legacy.

Though it is the stupidity that’s the scandal as much as anything else. This also seems to be why the same people who lapped it all up, all the BS, only to realize "holy sh!t, you need to take peds to win the Tour! (what a revelation!)," are often the same ones now willing to look beyond this inconvenient fact to save themselves from their own shame and embarrassment.

 

[ebandit]

unfair

Highlights:

LeMond and Hampston had to be doping
Its not Hein's fault, what could he do?
Pat is a knob but its not his fault either
Euros doped a lot, high-octane stuff.
I worked really really hard.
Clean for the comeback
I won't talk about the details here
I was just another doper in the peloton, not much else
Others sports are dopers also
The government is leaking information about me

it's so unfair.........I was born to live in a bigger house than anyone else
, fly around in my private jet and hob *** with the rich and famous

you can't take that away from me..............you can't!

Mark L

 

[darwin553]

Personally I blame the idiotic US fanfare

It's what propelled Marion Jones into the state of athletic elitism as well.

 

[darwin553]

Plus, David Walsh is worse than I am.

Only because he accepts that David Walsh was his mirror image in the press gallery during his TdF shame years - win at all costs but believes he is worse because he succeeded in catching him and has watched his success while everything else around LA has crashed and burned.

Also lol at LA saying that he didn't play favourites with the journalists. And for him not owning up to the fact that there was certainly "guilt by association" going on for some journalists who used to hang around David Walsh, in that, they were vilified by LA for doing so in the form of being asked to cease all public appearances with David Walsh or else they wouldn't get exclusives with him for their papers etc.

 

[jens_attacks]

he's talking up his pre-cancer (specifically 1995 and before) and post-comeback career, as 'low-octane doping' and 'clean' respectively, and reiterating the 'level playing field' nonsense. Given that his 'clean comeback' in the 2009 Tour was big big bull****, why should we take his word about the 93 world championships etc at face value?

it would make an interesting discussion about the start of high octane age if lance would make a rasmussen, tell-everything. unfortunately, his virgin britney spears story about the comeback ruins everything. i still don't know why he keeps doing that, it's not like someone who watched that 2009 tour believes that.i don't get it


lance was a champion of his times and most likely the most focused, 'never give up' type baztard in cycling history, 7 tour day fuccin france winner...

still... him, low octane in 1993? i highly doubt it. and about 1994 it would be impossible. with all his undoubtfully big class, he would have been dropped on the first speedbump on low octane

San Sebastian
1. DE LAS CUEVAS Armand 05:24:44
2. ARMSTRONG Lance 00:01:56
3. DELLA SANTA Stefano 00:01:57
4. POULNIKOV Vladimir 00:02:03
5. TCHMIL Andrei 00:02:09


LBL
1. BERZIN Eugeni 07:16:30
2. ARMSTRONG Lance 00:01:37
3. FURLAN Giorgio 00:01:37
4. CHIAPPUCCI Claudio 00:01:37
5. DELLA SANTA Stefano 00:01:37
6. ROMINGER Tony 00:02:03


probably lance was not a pioneer like indurain,roche,diablo, argentin but pretty close to it

 

[Von Mises]

2) nobody is going to believe the "conservative" doper crap.

I did not take his "conservative doper" comment with a meaning "I took less", but more like: I was risk averse, methodical, cautious. And if I read Hamilton and compare it Rasmussen (dog blood) or stories from Puerto or stories from mid 90-s, I have similar take. Armstrong´s and USPS doping success did not come from "taking more", but from being very systemic, well planned, well organized etc.