Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[thehog]

More deflection.

You really should read what Betsy said. We are not talking about testimony in an insurance case, we are talking about standing by while people's lives were ruined. When Landis opened up to Och it was at her house. He talked about how it tormented him to continue to live lie. She did nothing

It is a pretty simple concept, I wonder why you keep trying to twist it? It almost seems like you have some agenda

I believe my agenda is pragmatism.

What should she have done? Was she asked to keep the conversation private? Did she respect the confines of the discussion? or as soon to be wife she should have went to.... the UCI? The Police? The UN?

I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Maybe a better question would be; what would have you've done in the same situation?

 

[MarkvW]

I would add in 2005 there was no Federal case against Armstrong. Crow couldn't possibly speak with Federal agents. Why would she? There was no case. That is a little silly.

Additionally Crow is not an athlete so she's not going to be talking to USADA.

When there was a federal case you are called up. That she did.

This makes sense. The key thing for me is that neither Ms. Andreu nor Ms. Crow have any responsibility for Armstrong's doping. If they want to fight each other in the media, more power to them, and I hope we enjoy the show!

 

[Race Radio]

I believe my agenda is pragmatism.

What should she have done? Was she asked to keep the conversation private? Did she respect the confines of the discussion? or as soon to be wife she should have went to.... the UCI? The Police? The UN?

I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Maybe a better question would be; what would have you've done in the same situation?

It is pretty simple.

A good start would be to not parrot the witch hunt/bitter/jealous nonsense. We are talking about multiple transfusions, years of harassment, doping in plain sight. She knew truth but she pushed the myth as people were destroyed

Girlfriend or co-conspirator...take your pick.

 

[thehog]

It is pretty simple.

A good start would be to not parrot the witch hunt/bitter/jealous nonsense. We are talking about multiple transfusions, years of harassment, doping in plain sight. She knew truth but she pushed the myth as people were destroyed

Girlfriend or co-conspirator...take your pick.

All of which she was not a part of nor doped herself and was not an athlete. As MarkW stated Sheryl Crow is not responsible for the Armstrong/Bruyneel badboy days from 1999 to 2005.

She was jettisoned into the relationship in Armstrong's final year in the sport. She had no idea of its history. In 2005 people still believed in miracles. I assume she did as well. And despite what she may or may not have seen was blinded by love. As were all involved.

A private conversation taking place at her house which she wasn't involved in with two other people is not grounds for her to take that upon herself and release the information publicly. And certainly not about her soon to be husband. That is madness to place that expectation upon her.

The world is full of love torn women who stand by their men for better or worse. I don't think thats a crime or that she should be lambasted for doing so. The end result was her getting out of the relationship. Sounds like she worked it all out in the end.

But you still didn't answer my question; What would have you've done in the same situation?

...and Sheryl Crow - co-conspritor? Race Radio, with all due respect but you have lost the plot. That's the realm of Phil Liggett.

 

[Race Radio]

All of which she was not a part of nor doped herself and was not an athlete. As MarkW stated Sheryl Crow is not responsible for the Armstrong/Bruyneel badboy days from 1999 to 2005.

She was jettisoned into the relationship in Armstrong's final year in the sport. She had no idea of its history. In 2005 people still believed in miracles. I assume she did as well. And despite what she may or may not have seen was blinded by love. As were all involved.

A private conversation taking place at her house which she wasn't involved in with two other people is not grounds for her to take that upon herself and release the information publicly. And certainly not about her soon to be husband. That is madness to place that expectation upon her.

The world is full of love torn women who stand by their men for better or worse. I don't think thats a crime or that she should be lambasted for doing so. The end result was her getting out of the relationship. Sounds like she worked it all out in the end.

But you still didn't answer my question; What would have you've done in the same situation?

...and Sheryl Crow - co-conspritor? Race Radio, with all due respect but you have lost the plot. That's the realm of Phil Liggett.

You are welcome to pretend differently but Sheryl was there when doping took place but again, please read what Betsy actually wrote.......You do not have to be "Part of the sport" to know that destroying people's lives is wrong.

She was there for Mike Anderson, she knew he was a good guy, she did nothing as lance tried to ruin him. She was there for Floyd's transfusions, she stood by while lance tried to ruin him. She knew Floyd was tortured by the lie, but she babbled publicly about her hero and $500 million raise for "Research"

 

[thehog]

You are welcome to pretend differently but Sheryl was there when doping took place but again, please read what Betsy actually wrote.......You do not have to be "Part of the sport" to know that destroying people's lives is wrong.

She was there for Mike Anderson, she knew he was a good guy, she did nothing as lance tried to ruin him. She was there for Floyd's transfusions, she stood by while lance tried to ruin him. She knew Floyd was tortured by the lie, but she babbled publicly about her hero and $500 million raise for "Research"

You're starting to rant and ramble. Slow down my friend.

I'll ask again. What is it you were expecting her to do? and what would have you've done in the same situation?

 

[webvan]

It seems RR is having another one of his "burn the witch" moments like he had/has with Ulle...odd...in any case, yes, what was Sheryl to do? Nothing that she could have done, had she gone into a suicidal "My soon to be husband is a psychopath and I will expose him" would have helped Betsy or Lemond anyway.

 

[ralphbert]

As I see it Crowe didn't have a lot of power to"do" anything. Yes you can say giving interviews supporting him when you know the truth is not on the straight and narrow but many many people would do the same when in that position. In the end she couldn't deal with him and the relationship split. There are far bigger supporters and enablers in this story than Crowe imo, I don't really see what giving her the bash publicly achieves.

 

[thehog]

As I see it Crowe didn't have a lot of power to"do" anything. Yes you can say giving interviews supporting him when you know the truth is not on the straight and narrow but many many people would do the same when in that position. In the end she couldn't deal with him and the relationship split. There are far bigger supporters and enablers in this story than Crowe imo, I don't really see what giving her the bash publicly achieves.

Correct and to that point what did anyone's wife or girlfriend do? Nothing. Why bash Crow when every other wife behaved the same? (bar say Betsy).

Because Crow was famous she was asked questions. She wasn't afforded the ability to hide like other GF's and wives could do.

I guess they are all coconspirators!

 

[pancakes]

Edita Rumsas........wife or co-conspirator?

 

[thehog]

Edita Rumsas........wife or co-conspirator?

Amigo di Brillo...... dog or co-conspritor?

 

[thehog]

She may never testify if nobody needs or cares what she has to say. If she has information they need, they may subpoena her. Honestly, at this point, I'm not sure they need her.

Yes I suspect they have enough without her.

Also calling her up considering she's a national icon, cancer survivor and former partner of Armstrong I wouldn't see that as winning points with a tax payer funded suit.

Maybe they will. I don't pretend to know.

 

[Race Radio]

Correct and to that point what did anyone's wife or girlfriend do? Nothing. Why bash Crow when every other wife behaved the same? (bar say Betsy).

Because Crow was famous she was asked questions. She wasn't afforded the ability to hide like other GF's and wives could do.

I guess they are all coconspirators!

ahhh, the "Everyone else was doing it" excuse that worked so well with mom....did all the wives give interviews supporting the fraud?

Doing nothing one of the things bullies count on.

 

[Granville57]

That's the important part. Y'all need to stop judging Crow according clinic, or cycling, moral standards. No one ever said Keith Richards cheated because he used drugs to stay up all night writing songs or Hendrix should lay off the LSD because it gave him an unfair advantage in writing psychedelic lyrics. Why on earth would anyone expect a rock star to be anti-drug? It's a different culture. With the smuggling and needles, she probably just thought that Lance was the Keith Richards of pro cycling, and that was just fine by her.

Yeeeaaahh. There's a probably a good reason why no one ever accused Keith or Jimi of "cheating."

As to the bolded:
I'm sure that Sheryl was completely unaware of the cancer kids around the world who were being lied to. Hell, she probably never even saw any of the Nike commercials either. Probably never even heard of Nike for that matter.

 

[Benotti69]

Crow didn't just stand by while lives were ruined, she used her influence to help the myth.

She could've called it, Armstrong wouldn't have gone after a multimillion dollar artist like Crow. Cant bully someone who can afford better lawyers!

 

[thehog]

ahhh, the "Everyone else was doing it" excuse that worked so well with mom....did all the wives give interviews supporting the fraud?

Doing nothing one of the things bullies count on.

Race you're scarying me man.

But you're right. Sheryl should have broken free, broken the trust of all the conversations she overheard and those doping whom she wasn't married to and written letters to the UCI and Rolling Stone magazine.

Sure she would have brought down everyone including Lance and of course Bruyneel is well respected for being kind to females who make doping accusations.

The UCI would have listened to her accusations seriously as they were well up for taking down Lance.

It was Sheryl's job to fix cycling. After all she did ride a bike once.

You've made claims to being inside the industry and working for teams, yes? I assume you've come clean about what you know in the same way expected of Crow?

 

[Race Radio]

It was Sheryl's job to fix cycling. After all she did ride a bike once.

Of course you know that nobody has said this.

 

[mewmewmew13]

I didn't know Betsy said those things about her. She has to reign her anger in she didn't even know Cheryl according to the article. Betsy needs to make amends here and maybe ask Cheryl about tips on "moving on".

Sheryl 'moved on' only in the sense that she ran to get away from the association w Lance….she's interested in selling music and her persona..
Lance would smell up her nice income and' reputation' in the eyes of her fans…

it's all about making money and c'mon…she is way more into looking the other way than back at the guy that dumped her right??

 

[thehog]

Of course you know that nobody has said this.

So what is it you're saying?

What did you want her to do? And what did she say that was so reprehensible? (Links?)

She dated Armstrong for 18 months (not 3 years). Was then engaged for 5 months, wanted his children then he dumped her. 2 weeks later she was diagnosed with stage 1 breast cancer. I think she can be given a pass to run away and make herself well, emotionally and physically.

I'd say after all that she's a mighty strong woman to pick herself up after a public dumping, recovering from cancer and moving on with her life.

You appear to want her to pay for everything Lance did prior to meeting her? Somehow she should be cleaning up cycling?

I don't think so. She moved on, adopted children and wrote some bad loves songs.

Leave her alone.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Yes I suspect they have enough without her.

Also calling her up considering she's a national icon, cancer survivor and former partner of Armstrong I wouldn't see that as winning points with a tax payer funded suit.

Maybe they will. I don't pretend to know.

She's a "national icon"?
I didn't know that….

she's a rock star and has an 'image' of kool to keep up..
LAnce isn't kool anymore…

 

[thehog]

She's a "national icon"?
I didn't know that….

she's a rock star and has an 'image' of kool to keep up..
LAnce isn't kool anymore…

True! Maybe some embellishment on my behalf!

 

[gooner]

So what is it you're saying?

What did you want her to do? And what did she say that was so reprehensible? (Links?)

She dated Armstrong for 18 months (not 3 years). Was then engaged for 5 months, wanted his children then he dumped her. 2 weeks later she was diagnosed with stage 1 breast cancer. I think she can be given a pass to run away and make herself well, emotionally and physically.

I'd say after all that she's a mighty strong woman to pick herself up after a public dumping, recovering from cancer and moving on with her life.

You appear to want her to pay for everything Lance did prior to meeting her? Somehow she should be cleaning up cycling?

I don't think so. She moved on, adopted children and wrote some bad loves songs.

Leave her alone.

Yeah, why didn't Sheryl say that to Lance about Betsy instead of helping and enjoying the myth to continue while he was running over well intentioned people that she knew were 100% truthful. You can dress it up all you like or deflect if you wish, but this paints her in poor light.

That's the criticism, not something about saving cycling.

 

[thehog]

Yeah, why didn't Sheryl say that to Lance about Betsy instead of helping and enjoying the myth to continue at the expense of running over well intentioned people all while she knew what was said was 100% truthful. You can dress it up all you like or deflect if you wish, but this paints her in poor light.

That's the criticism, not something about saving cycling.

So show me what she said at the time! Link me up. I'd like to know what was said that was distasteful.

And none of us know what said between the two of them in pillow talk. How do we know she wasn't the "voice of reason" in the relationship? Or that Lance was so good at lying he lied to her about everything and made excuses? We don't know.

But anyway. Some links of quotes from 2005 would be good. Let's just see how horrible this singer is...

I don't doubt she stood by her man no matter how horrible he was but so did Kristen and this new one he has. And the other one. Golden Hawn's daughter. And the Olsen twin.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Crow didn't just stand by while lives were ruined, she used her influence to help the myth.

She could've called it, Armstrong wouldn't have gone after a multimillion dollar artist like Crow. Cant bully someone who can afford better lawyers!

The way I always saw it was that when Armstrong was at the top of his heap he was a great choice for her boyfriend…'star power beautiful couple' and the like..a little high profile publicity never hurt anyone's career…

(if I remember correctly he dumped her like a bag of bricks..)

then his world crumbled and she pretended that they never shared any 'secrets'…she was weak..turned a blind eye to the people that he destroyed so she could stay out of the news…..
integrity is not her strong talent in my opinion..


btw surviving cancer is not an excuse to rid yourself of your ethics…
some of us don't fold

 

[Race Radio]

That's the criticism, not something about saving cycling.

Yup....it has been explained to him over and over