Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[Granville57]

Let's just see how horrible this singer is...

Careful what you ask for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kum4O_fh0_E

 

[Benotti69]

Careful what you ask for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kum4O_fh0_E

painful. she murdered that..........

 

[mewmewmew13]

Careful what you ask for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kum4O_fh0_E

no way am I clicking on that link...

 

[Samson777]

Careful what you ask for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kum4O_fh0_E

Now it have to be: leave us alone

 

[thehog]

Yup....it has been explained to him over and over

It's very clear.

What is it you wanted her to do? And what was said that was so reprehensible?

I'm just not following you. If you want kick her about because she went out with Armstrong then fine but what would have you've done in Crow's position?

 

[Granville57]

The way I always saw it was that when Armstrong was at the top of his heap he was a great choice for her boyfriend…'star power beautiful couple' and the like..a little high profile publicity never hurt anyone's career…

Seeing Crow with Armstrong, I occasionally was struck by the feeling that they never would be together if it weren't for the thrill of their jock/rock-star chemistry. In other words, the idea of Armstrong and Crow dating was just as intoxicating to them as it was to the rest of us, and therefore the buzz was destined to wear off.

-Dan Coyle
Lance Armstrong's War
P. 261

ten chars blah blah blah

 

[mewmewmew13]

hoggie…
drop it

I think she's lame
she liked the limelight at the Tours with Lance and his kids ..

Remember how pained Anna H his new GF was watching the whole bar scene go down with Tyler..watching her man bully and threaten Tyler …

I would bet that Sheryl saw this a lot as well…
she could have provided a lot of insight and help to USADA and the other cases as a witness …sounds like she just turned her head

 

[mewmewmew13]

ten chars blah blah blah

haha
well when they first hit on each other I remember saying to myself that it was only a matter of a short while before he got bored and dumped her for some new thrill

 

[MarkvW]

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It's very clear.

What is it you wanted her to do? And what was said that was so reprehensible?

I'm just not following you. If you want kick her about because she went out with Armstrong then fine but what would have you've done in Crow's position?

As far as I can tell, the Cheryl-hater (calling her a "co-conspirator") is griping because Cheryl didn't do what any (and I mean ANY) of Lance's actual teammates should have done while the actual doping was actually going on.

It's time for reconciliation, not for rehashing of expired boyfriend-girlfriend relationships.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Just because someone can carry a tune does not mean they have anything original or interesting to say. Her music would be just as meaningful if she just sang "Blah blah blah blah blah." It rhymes and it's more honest.

The lyrics "Every day is a winding road" is about as deep as a puddle of drunken beer vomit. Whether you want to slam or not her for dating Armstrong, you still need to slam her for being unoriginal and boring. Now, it's fine if your both of those things and you're a bank teller, but when you are musician, it is a crime. I'm betting I could go to my nearest bank and find a teller that is more original, so no offense meant to bank tellers.

 

[Granville57]

I'm betting I could go to my nearest bank and find a teller that is more original, so no offense meant to bank tellers.

In 1973, Pat Benatar quit her job as a bank teller to pursue a singing career after being inspired by a Liza Minnelli concert she saw in Richmond

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Benatar

 

[mewmewmew13]

Just because someone can carry a tune does not mean they have anything original or interesting to say. Her music would be just as meaningful if she just sang "Blah blah blah blah blah." It rhymes and it's more honest.

The lyrics "Every day is a winding road" is about as deep as a puddle of drunken beer vomit. Whether you want to slam or not her for dating Armstrong, you still need to slam her for being unoriginal and boring. Now, it's fine if your both of those things and you're a bank teller, but when you are musician, it is a crime. I'm betting I could go to my nearest bank and find a teller that is more original, so no offense meant to bank tellers.

my favorite post so far this year…

 

[Granville57]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRBUXqRooxM

 

[BroDeal]

Regardless JV talked to USADA in 2004

That is what we were lead to believe. JV, secret agent man, was working behind the scenes with USADA to bring Armstrong down. Only it turned out he was playing the same "did I or didn't I" game with USADA as he was with his public statements. He waited until he would face no consequences. At the same time he was supposedly arm in arm with USADA, he was telling Landis not to name names. Very conveniently, after everything was said and done, he is the lone man left standing. With Crookson's ear and support for making team ownership a sellable commodity and Riis' receipt of a sackful of cash for his, JV must be salivating. Very convenient. Funny how everything worked out so well for secret agent man.

I am shocked that other people are shocked that girlfriends support their boyfriends. Totally shocking. Crow had no duty to go to USADA. She is not involved with professional cycling, but professional cycling is filled with people who knew all about Armstrong. Where was the media, the commentators, the riders, the team management, the sports management, the race organizers, and the sponsors? They all knew about Armstrong, and they rode the myth to big paydays. Now they have all turned their backs on Armstrong so they can embrace Froome, the next fraud to come along. I don't see Crow trying to hook up with Froome.

 

[thehog]

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As far as I can tell, the Cheryl-hater (calling her a "co-conspirator") is griping because Cheryl didn't do what any (and I mean ANY) of Lance's actual teammates should have done while the actual doping was actually going on.

It's time for reconciliation, not for rehashing of expired boyfriend-girlfriend relationships.

When Mew tells me to stop. I stop. So last post on the matter.

But MarkW I 100% agree with you.

My point in bringing up Vaughters was he and the others, CVv etc? all knew what was going on from day 1 and never said a word. Understandly in most cases as it as impossible way back when to take on Lance.

No one derides CVV for choosing his moment and 6 months off season ban confession. The same for Crow. Armstrong was her almost husband. She spoke to the Feds and has said no more.

Ryder and his statue or limitations free confession brought to you by Vaughters etc. Has a Ryder even faced the media?

But all of this could have stopped years ago but everyone had their ways and means of doing. That's not Crow's fault. She was there as Armstrong trophy girlfriend not an anti-doping expert.

And I'm fairly sure Anderson is not blaming Crow for what went on with Lance.

She is what she is. Not much more.

 

[Granville57]

I don't see Crow trying to hook up with Froome.

You mean that's not...

Oh wait.

 

[Race Radio]

Where was the media, the commentators, the riders, the team management, the sports management, the race organizers, and the sponsors? They all knew about Armstrong, and they rode the myth to big paydays.

Yup. They ignored the bully, stood by while he shredded people. Repeated the talking points......Just like Crow. OK for her, but not OK for them? Crow gets s free pass, she is unquestionable....even though she was by his side for 3 years of transfusions and let Floyd hang out to dry when she was one of the few people that knew he was telling the truth.

While some might like to play stupid it is clear nobody is saying she could have fixed cycling or been the big solution to the worlds problems....but at the least she could told the truth and made some people's lives a bit easier.

 

[mewmewmew13]

When Mew tells me to stop. I stop. So last post on the matter.

But MarkW I 100% agree with you.

My point in bringing up Vaughters was he and the others, CVv etc? all knew what was going on from day 1 and never said a word. Understandly in most cases as it as impossible way back when to take on Lance.

No one derides CVV for choosing his moment and 6 months off season ban confession. The same for Crow. Armstrong was her almost husband. She spoke to the Feds and has said no more.

Ryder and his statue or limitations free confession brought to you by Vaughters etc. Has a Ryder even faced the media?

But all of this could have stopped years ago but everyone had their ways and means of doing. That's not Crow's fault. She was there as Armstrong trophy girlfriend not an anti-doping expert.

And I'm fairly sure Anderson is not blaming Crow for what went on with Lance.

She is what she is. Not much more.

lol


(well I would love to see Michelle Cound and Sheryl Crow both chasing Froome…
he may well lose more weight as a marginal gain…)

 

[thehog]

Yup. They ignored the bully, stood by while he shredded people. Repeated the talking points......Just like Crow. OK for her, but not OK for them? Crow gets s free pass, she is unquestionable....even though she was by his side for 3 years of transfusions and let Floyd hang out to dry when she was one of the few people that knew he was telling the truth.

While some might like to play stupid it is clear nobody is saying she could have fixed cycling or been the big solution to the worlds problems....but at the least she could told the truth and made some people's lives a bit easier.

True with regards to the media. As was Vaughters, CVV etc. they all could have made Floyd's life a little easier. CVV said nothing. They all let him drop.

But still not following the time line here.

Crow and Armstrong were two years. Not 3 years of "transfusions".

(I'm ashamed I actually looked this up.)

The couple, who released a joint statement through Armstrong’s spokesman to PEOPLE, are calling it quits after two years of dating and an engagement that lasted a little over five months.

The couple met at a charity event in October 2003 and began dating a short time later.

Broke up in Feb 2010.

Landis won the Tour in 2006. And confessed in May 2010.

Crow spoke to Federal investigators in 2011 and I assume she was told not to speak publicly.

Armstrong's confession was in Jan 13.

How did she hang him out to dry?

And what should she have done that could have been done by a CVV or a JV who actually knew about cycling and could have influenced a UCI or the cycling media?

Respect your passionate about the issue but believe you're misguided.

 

[sittingbison]

...While some might like to play stupid it is clear nobody is saying she could have fixed cycling or been the big solution to the worlds problems....but at the least she could told the truth and made some people's lives a bit easier.

She didn't do the bold which is what Betsy pointed out in the original post on this subject. Shes a person (albeit Lances squeeze) who makes both good decisions and poor...like all the rest of us. There were plenty of people actually involved in professional cycling who knew and saw what was going on that did exactly what Crowe didn't do. Any of them could have fessed up. None did.

And on that note gentle(wo)men, lets finish this particular line of discussion shall we?

cheers
bison

 

[gooner]

I am shocked that other people are shocked that girlfriends support their boyfriends. Totally shocking. Crow had no duty to go to USADA. She is not involved with professional cycling, but professional cycling is filled with people who knew all about Armstrong. Where was the media, the commentators, the riders, the team management, the sports management, the race organizers, and the sponsors? They all knew about Armstrong, and they rode the myth to big paydays. Now they have all turned their backs on Armstrong so they can embrace Froome, the next fraud to come along. I don't see Crow trying to hook up with Froome.

Again, to clear this up. This is where the criticism stems from when the hog said "leave her alone".

Yeah, why didn't Sheryl say that to Lance about Betsy instead of helping and enjoying the myth to continue while he was running over well intentioned people that she knew were 100% truthful. You can dress it up all you like or deflect if you wish, but this paints her in poor light.

That's the criticism, not something about saving cycling.

She deserves flak for her dismissive nature to the well being of others while watching Lance's behaviour to them. It's pretty obvious she didn't have a care in the world for it when she was witnessing Lance have his transfusions and the show continuing on. She accepted this environment at the time. Loyalty to Lance doesn't excuse her here or in keeping hush at not trying to influence him in stopping his myth protecting methods. In particular the latter is the one that is most directed at her. That has nothing got to do with USADA.

 

[sittingbison]

The Sheryl Crowe topic is now over

cheers
bison

 

[Race Radio]

Any of them could have fessed up. None did.

Yup, and most in the sport thought that ignoring it, pretending it did not exist, and letting people fry was not a good thing.

 

[Granville57]

The Sheryl Crowe topic is now over

cheers
bison

It is now

 

[ChewbaccaD]

The Sheryl Crowe topic is now over

cheers
bison

What about musical integrity?