Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[DirtyWorks]

Coyle notes Armstrong's gross efficiency as 21.18% (21.1 years old, 70 VO2max).

None of Coyle's data is valid because there are zero baseline assumptions that apply. It's likely all numbers are the opposite of human-scale performance. Yet to this day the paper isn't retracted.

Thanks for ruining Science Ed!

 

[86TDFWinner]

Lance has his final chance.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...mission-looks-to-rid-sport-of-dirty-past.html

Wait, I thought Cookson said last week that USADA are the only ones who can reduce Wonderboys ban?

That said, I don't know why they waste their time, they know Wonderboy isn't going to give up anything.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Wait, I thought Cookson said last week that USADA are the only ones who can reduce Wonderboys ban?

That said, I don't know why they waste their time, they know Wonderboys isn't going to give up anything.

I am going to dub this move "mercy theatre". The UCI can show their capability to be merciful, knowing full well the potential recipient(s) are either too proud or stupid or feel it is not worth it to take advantage of it.

 

[frenchfry]

Wait, I thought Cookson said last week that USADA are the only ones who can reduce Wonderboys ban?

That said, I don't know why they waste their time, they know Wonderboys isn't going to give up anything.

Nonsense. He is chomping at the bit to dump on Frankie.

 

[MarkvW]

Redemption always sells.
There will be redemption.
Count on it.

 

[BroDeal]

Redemption always sells.
There will be redemption.
Count on it.

You have been pushing ever since you had to concede that Armstrong was going down.

A-holes don't get redemption. At a sporting level Armstrong will for the most part get credit eventually, but that is not what he wants, which is a resurrection of his celebrity status as a do-gooder and hero. The chance of that coming back is about the same as Pauly Shore finding redemption in the public eye.

 

[BroDeal]

Wait, I thought Cookson said last week that USADA are the only ones who can reduce Wonderboys ban?

That said, I don't know why they waste their time, they know Wonderboys isn't going to give up anything.

Ultimately he will because it is in his best interest to show that everyone else was doping. He his currently hamstrung by his legal issues, so maybe he will not be able to cooperate with the commission, but ultimately he will do his best to burn it all down.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Wait, I thought Cookson said last week that USADA are the only ones who can reduce Wonderboys ban?

That said, I don't know why they waste their time, they know Wonderboys isn't going to give up anything.

My reading of the rules is that it's up to USADA to modify the ban. IMHO, Cookson seems smart enough to know he has to keep Armstrong very distant from the UCI. Unless Armstrong bribes Bach, nothing changes. That could happen though. This is the IOC we're talking about.

Wonderboy hasn't found the right message to get some kind of redemption. None of his lame excuses appear to be working. The good news is he hasn't changed a bit and thus probably will never find the right message.

 

[D-Queued]

None of Coyle's data is valid because there are zero baseline assumptions that apply. It's likely all numbers are the opposite of human-scale performance. Yet to this day the paper isn't retracted.

Thanks for ruining Science Ed!

De Nile is a long river in Egypt. Human denial runs even longer.

(yes, I made that up...)

Coyle's in good company. It only took the Catholic Church 500 years to recognize Galileo.

Dave.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Redemption always sells.
There will be redemption.
Count on it.

Sure, redemption does indeed sell.
So do lots of things, exposé, partial confessions, scandal, gossip.

However to sell 'redemption' one has to actually show a full admission of guilt and atonement. Armstrong went on Oprah hoping to sell redemption and no-one bought it.

 

[Christian]

Watch "The Armstrong Lie" online for free:

http://www.wootly.ch/?v=29IEEEE4

 

[ChewbaccaD]

You have been pushing ever since you had to concede that Armstrong was going down.

A-holes don't get redemption. At a sporting level Armstrong will for the most part get credit eventually, but that is not what he wants, which is a resurrection of his celebrity status as a do-gooder and hero. The chance of that coming back is about the same as Pauly Shore finding redemption in the public eye.

I know this, if I'm ever behind MarkvW at the dog track betting line, I am taking any dog he isn't.

 

[Christian]

"The Armstrong Lie"

Meh - you can skip half of the movie because it is just recycled footage from the documentary they were making about the 2009 Tour. They spend 20 minutes building up the epic Contador-Lance feud by explaining what a peloton is, what a yellow jersey is, what a domestique is, that teams usually only have one leader...... it's annoying and embarrassing

EDIT by sittingbison:
link edited out due to possible copyright infringement

 

[MarkvW]

You have been pushing ever since you had to concede that Armstrong was going down.

A-holes don't get redemption. At a sporting level Armstrong will for the most part get credit eventually, but that is not what he wants, which is a resurrection of his celebrity status as a do-gooder and hero. The chance of that coming back is about the same as Pauly Shore finding redemption in the public eye.

Even A-Rod (one of the biggest A-Holes in the history of the Universe) will get redemption. A-Rod and Lance won't get redemption because they deserve it; they'll get it because redemption is a prefabricated cliche that is easy to write and sell.

Take it from somebody who predicted Lance's 'Oprah Moment.' Take it from somebody who wasn't part of the herd claiming that Lance was going to federal PITA prison. From somebody who isn't seeing "influence" subtly working for Lance behind every corner.

 

[MarkvW]

Sure, redemption does indeed sell.
So do lots of things, exposé, partial confessions, scandal, gossip.

However to sell 'redemption' one has to actually show a full admission of guilt and atonement. Armstrong went on Oprah hoping to sell redemption and no-one bought it.

I agree, Mas. But once the feds are done with Lance, he's going to get as many chances at redemption as he wants. There's always a reporter ready to milk a tired old cliche.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I agree, Mas. But once the feds are done with Lance, he's going to get as many chances at redemption as he wants. There's always a reporter ready to milk a tired old cliche.

How many chances of redemption does he need?
You appear to be confusing sucking up to a reporter who will gladly publish anything you wish for clicks with people actually believing the story.

But to be fair, you did predict Lance going to Oprah, no-one and I mean no-one saw that coming. Go to CNs main page to collect your prize.

 

[Race Radio]

But to be fair, you did predict Lance going to Oprah, no-one and I mean no-one saw that coming.

*Cough*....called that one in 2008

Called the Britney Spears style meltdown in 2006

 

[Race Radio]

I agree, Mas. But once the feds are done with Lance, he's going to get as many chances at redemption as he wants. There's always a reporter ready to milk a tired old cliche.

The path to redemption is clear and Lance is not following it.

Pete Rose
Marion Jones

 

[mewmewmew13]

The path to redemption is clear and Lance is not following it.

Pete Rose
Marion Jones

Lance ail be a pudgy gray-hair with a track jacket signing autographs in Vegas. I'm calling it now

 

[Fausto's Schnauzer]

Lance ail be a pudgy gray-hair with a track jacket signing autographs in Vegas. I'm calling it now

Oh, I called that a lonnnnng time ago.

 

[mewmewmew13]

lol yes I remember...

 

[DirtyWorks]

The path to redemption is clear and Lance is not following it.

Pete Rose
Marion Jones

I don't know that he is capable. His calling Steve Tilford because "they needed to talk" was just another clue it is STILL the world that misunderstands the situation.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Even A-Rod (one of the biggest A-Holes in the history of the Universe) will get redemption. A-Rod and Lance won't get redemption because they deserve it; they'll get it because redemption is a prefabricated cliche that is easy to write and sell.

Take it from somebody who predicted Lance's 'Oprah Moment.' Take it from somebody who wasn't part of the herd claiming that Lance was going to federal PITA prison. From somebody who isn't seeing "influence" subtly working for Lance behind every corner.

Dude, I bet you think you invented the mouse.

 

[frenchfry]

"The Armstrong Lie"

Meh - you can skip half of the movie because it is just recycled footage from the documentary they were making about the 2009 Tour. They spend 20 minutes building up the epic Contador-Lance feud by explaining what a peloton is, what a yellow jersey is, what a domestique is, that teams usually only have one leader...... it's annoying and embarrassing

EDIT by sittingbison:
link edited out due to possible copyright infringement

Got in there before the link edit.

I would rate this as a decent documentary, not much different than what we have seen on TV documentaries.

Hincapie comes across as a spineless turd.

Nothing new on Armstrong, sociopathic tendencies confirmed.

It puts into context the extent of the fall. He was a god that could do no wrong with millions of adulating fans, now he is on the bottom and can do no right.

 

[Netserk]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/armstrong-if-i-was-the-carpenter-pantani-was-the-artist

**** CN

**** Lance

Way too obvious, especially in the second half. He's saying Marco, him etc., but he means Lance, me etc. Using the death of Pantani in his PR campaign.

If I could go back I would handle quite a few relationships differently and the one with Marco is no different. My fundamental mistake was that while it was fine to be competitive with your rivals on the bike, when you step off the bike we're all humans and we all deserve to be treated with respect. I never switched off and while that killer mentality worked on the bike, it didn't work well when you're having a coffee or having a press conference. That was my mistake.

I don't blame the doping in cycling for his death. I think he was an incredible personality, who was also flawed – like myself. To some extent the doping had made him who he was, but then again we could have all said that. The reality is that the fame and the speed at which he lived life was what killed him. He simply couldn't keep up with it.

Later on, when you get off the bike that's when you need to be careful. Fame is fleeting and life after being at the top is never the same. Pantani suffered greatly. He went from being a god in Italy to being someone who lost so much. People don't look at you the same, after something like that, and you've got to be prepared for the day when you're just a dude walking down the street and no longer the star. I think about that a lot, but he wasn't ready for that and he wasn't ready for what Italy showered him with – both before and after his problems. He was a god to them and it was that pace that ultimately undid him.

How fans should view Pantani nowadays is a complex question, but one that needs a certain level of context and understanding, before reflection. I think that if you watch those performances you should view them with great appreciation and great admiration. When you name all the other winners from those days, all the riders, he was geared up in just the same way and he still ****ing won. That's going to frustrate some people to hear, but you have to remember that he came into a program and that was that. He wasn't going to change the system and everyone in that peloton that he beat played by the same rules.