Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[The Hitch]

And seriously, why pretend BroDeal is being paid or is in direct contact with Lance? He has a ten thousand post history of hating on Lance when it mattered. You do look very silly. I sincerely mean that.

Bpc just admitted to being Bpc and he's still posting.

Maybe give someone temporary mod powers for this week just to ban all the bpc accounts until a better solution can be found/ he goes away

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I've already cleared this one up

Really, where?

George's point is not that that Frankie was the first person who showed him how to use a needle. He's merely saying Frankie was one of the more experienced guys on the team who knew how to cycle EPO before he did. There is more to using a drug than learning how to use a needle. George and Landis also shared their knowledge with younger riders and this was in the affidavits. Why would these other riders say this in the affidavits if only the doctors were sought out for advice? Why would they learn things from Hincapie and Landis? There are certain experiences you can get from a rider and friend that you can't get from a doctor. When people cite George's words in this extreme literally sense they are being highly disingenuous. And there is an obvious context to why George would refer to Frankie, because of the myths that are out there.

Merely saying.
Ya, but he is only merely saying Frankie.
Who else did he merely say showed, helped get, etc dope. Which spanned well over 10 years?

We also now know George was saying this up to a year ago, so RaceRadio's proposed smear campaign, which also includes paying users of this forum, is bogus. He's lying to you, kids.

A year ago? Feb 2013? Really?

 

[International Observer]

Quote:
MarkvW
"Thanks for taking the time to conduct a poll."

I'm using the International Technique..
you're welcome

People are delighted with the role Betsy has played in bringing Lance's doping (shock horror) to light, but I've never seen people buying into her idea that Frankie was completely green on doping. If not for her he would have stayed on the team and helped Lance to many more victories. We all know that, don't we?

 

[peloton]

Everyone, please stop quoting Bpc, thanks

 

[International Observer]

Really, where?


Merely saying.
Ya, but he is only merely saying Frankie.
Who else did he merely say showed, helped get, etc dope. Which spanned well over 10 years?


A year ago? Feb 2013? Really?

We already know about all those people don't we? That's the point. He talked about some in the affidavits. None of those people are being a hypocrite about it. There is obvious context to the Betsy issue. He can finally talk about it this past year, and is doing so.

It's a pretty professional film. Most of it was made at least a year ago. I'd think we have to say at least six months ago. What's your honest opinion?

 

[The Hitch]

Kinda weird. Must be a lot of frustration with how he popped him, censored one post then f*cked off. lol.

Why you guys just love censoring people? You know I'm not breaking the rules. Why can't you take it? To me it shows a weakness in your position.

Some journalists said that the way Armstrong would come down like a ton of bricks on people who asked too many questions only made many smell a rat. They knew there must be something in it.

What do you think it says about you guys that you can't take it? Why the need to silence and smear people who wont toe the line? Is this a discussion forum or a propaganda forum?

You have broken the rules. That's why you will be banned.

Any other questions?

 

[International Observer]

Bpc just admitted to being Bpc and he's still posting.

Maybe give someone temporary mod powers for this week just to ban all the bpc accounts until a better solution can be found/ he goes away

***gasps from ladies at the back***

Why though?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Kinda weird. Must be a lot of frustration with how he popped him, censored one post then f*cked off. lol.

Why you guys just love censoring people? You know I'm not breaking the rules. Why can't you take it? To me it shows a weakness in your position.

Some journalists said that the way Armstrong would come down like a ton of bricks on people who asked too many questions only made many smell a rat. They knew there must be something in it.

What do you think it says about you guys that you can't take it? Why the need to silence and smear people who wont toe the line? Is this a discussion forum or a propaganda forum?

Its a place to discuss - but you use propaganda.

And I have no problem taking it apart and correcting it.
If you stop posting BS, I would have no need to reply and correct you.

 

[International Observer]

You have broken the rules. That's why you will be banned.

Any other questions?

What rules have I broken?

RR accused BroDeal of being paid. Is that in the rules? He also lied about one of his positions and Maserati didn't say anything.

Hypocrisy is everywhere.

 

[peloton]

Nice, back to the good german defense.

You disagree with what I wrote?

 

[International Observer]

Its a place to discuss - but you use propaganda.

And I have no problem taking it apart and correcting it.
If you stop posting BS, I would have no need to reply and correct you.

Why don't you find something then? If not, kindly but out.

 

[Benotti69]

Everyone, please stop quoting Bpc, thanks

I wish! They'll all be whining in the 'about the forum' soon...........

 

[mewmewmew13]

ignore buttons work well

 

[International Observer]

ignore buttons work well

The problem with the ignore button is someone else might still get to read my posts which contradict forum big names.

Imagine.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

People are delighted with the role Betsy has played in bringing Lance's doping (shock horror) to light, but I've never seen people buying into her idea that Frankie was completely green on doping. If not for her he would have stayed on the team and helped Lance to many more victories. We all know that, don't we?

Where did Betsy ever say Frankie was green about doping? We know he doped, she knows he doped.
Or was that in the version of the movie you had?

We already know about all those people don't we? That's the point. He talked about some in the affidavits. None of those people are being a hypocrite about it. There is obvious context to the Betsy issue. He can finally talk about it this past year, and is doing so.

It's a pretty professional film. Most of it was made at least a year ago. I'd think we have to say at least six months ago. What's your honest opinion?

My honest opinion - I caught you making stuff up, again.
Thats ok though, I will correct it.

So, you agree that there are lots of people.
Yet the only person he mentions in his 2 public admissions, is Frankie - now we are back to the "why is that"?

 

[aphronesis]

You disagree with what I wrote?

In terms of comparisons of offense, scale and intended (or even existing) malice, etc? No, I don't. But that's fairly obvious.

Your professed confusion as to the shift in rhetorical tactics? I don't find it convincing no. Agitation of the forum aside, there've been multiple reasons and arguments laid out for well over a month as to why, this far on after the reasoned decision, other lines of discussion might prove a bit more interesting--if not realistic. Lawsuits aside.

 

[The Hitch]

What rules have I broken?

You are a sockpuppet trying to circumvent a ban. That carries with it a permanent ban, though I suppose you already know that better than anyone else. Any other questions?

 

[BroDeal]

Your obsession with RR aside - why would he do that?

Why wouldn't he do it? This whole fracas started when RR began misrepresenting a handful of innocuous statements by Hincapie to the Detroit Free Press, statements that are inline with Hincapie's affidavit. That is my only issue. RR lied about what was in that article. He took Hincapie saying Andreu was part of cycling's doping system and turned it into Hincapie saying Andreu was part of Postal's blood doping program. He converted Hincapie saying that learning that Andreu was using EPO affected him into Hincapie doped because of Andreu. It was a disingenuous attempt to twist what Hincapie said.

he even accusing me of being under Armstrong's orders.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I wish! They'll all be whining in the 'about the forum' soon...........

Pretty simple.

If a mod was on this thread and did nothing to stop BPC then I will have to assume they have no problem with what they post.

If thats the case, then we are free to respond.

 

[International Observer]

Where did Betsy ever say Frankie was green about doping? We know he doped, she knows he doped.
Or was that in the version of the movie you had?

It's the impression she paints, obviously. Are you denying she creates the impression? What is you position?

My honest opinion - I caught you making stuff up, again.
Thats ok though, I will correct it.

So, you agree that there are lots of people.
Yet the only person he mentions in his 2 public admissions, is Frankie - now we are back to the "why is that"?

Find something to correct me on. If you can't, why not join the debate?

When do you think Frankie gave the interview on the Armstrong lie. I think it is highly likely to be at least six months. What is your opinion or are you just going to troll?

 

[International Observer]

You are a sockpuppet trying to circumvent a ban. That carries with it a permanent ban, though I suppose you already know that better than anyone else. Any other questions?

A sock puppet is someone that has more than one account at the same time. I do not, never have.

What was I originally banned for? Was it a genuine banning?

Think carefully.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Why wouldn't he do it? This whole fracas started when RR began misrepresenting a handful of innocuous statements by Hincapie to the Detroit Free Press, statements that are inline with Hincapie's affidavit. That is my only issue. RR lied about what was in that article. He took Hincapie saying Andreu was part of cycling's doping system and turned it into Hincapie saying Andreu was part of Postal's blood doping program. He converted Hincapie saying that learning that Andreu was using EPO affected him into Hincapie doped because of Andreu. It was a disingenuous attempt to twist what Hincapie said.

he is even accusing me of being under Armstrong's orders.

No. RR did not.

This is where you made your blunder. Someone else brought up the movie shortly after RR posted about the DFP article and said that it made it look like an attack on Frankie.

You missed that, and as you didn't see the movie totally had no clue to the relevance. Instead of asking what he was on about - you accused him of lying.
That he called you paid or whatever, I would consider that a very polite response.

 

[Granville57]

A sock puppet is someone that has more than one account at the same time. I do not, never have.

I just wanted to see how that jersey looked on you again. I rather like it. It's a shame everything from last night got nuked, just when the fun was about to begin.


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DAMMINT! Banned again...

 

[MarkvW]

Yup, it only makes George's agenda more obvious when he makes claims like that.

I doubt George is happy with how this smear campaign is going, it makes him look foolish. I expect he will back his way out of it with grace and an apology.

I think that George's "agenda," if he has a coherent agenda, is to paint all the USPS conspirators as doping "equals." This is a perspective that some of the other USPS conspirators share.

That agenda works because it's not that far from the truth. USPS/Discovery was a band of cheaters working and doping in the service their leader, Lance Armstrong.

Painting Lance Armstrong as the Face of Evil doesn't do his domestiques any favors because every attack on Armstrong is an implicit attack on each of the lying, cheating domestiques who supported him while knowing full well the way he behaved toward other people.

It's wonderful that the UCI and USAC have developed a pattern of enabling dope cheats to retire and lead cycling teams. Only in that way can they ensure that the traditions of the past are carried on by future generations. It also allows us endless debate over where Frankie and Georgie sit on the relative 'good doper--bad doper' scale.

 

[BroDeal]

No. RR did not.

Yes, he did. He spent post after post banging on about the freep article.