Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[Scott SoCal]

Problem is, they took the house away and the jerseys were inside.

It will be like OJ..... having the Goldman family take and sell his Heisman Trophy.

I wonder what an MJ in a case would go for on EBay.....

 

[Benotti69]

You can't rewrite history. You can try but it doesn't really work. I watched him win those Tours....it's that simple.

I suppose those not caught while committing the crime should be set free from prison

Get real!

 

[buckle]

You can't rewrite history. You can try but it doesn't really work. I watched him win those Tours....it's that simple.

You didn't watch anything. You saw it on TV and was told by a hired voice (in between the adverts) that what you were watching was real.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRMfFzKt0oI

Is this great stuntman really dropping between the horses? If so how is he doing it without getting hurt? The clue is in the camera angles. The director only shows you want what he, the director, wants you the viewer to see. We are totally at the mercy of the content provider. I repeat, you saw nothing when you "watched" Armstrong, absolutely nothing.

 

[Bosco10]

I watched Rosie Ruiz win the Boston Marathon. She even had a Yellow Jersey

She still claims she won.

 

[Jspear]

I'm not saying he deserved to win. I can't stand LA, his character, his competitiveness, how he interacts with people. All I'm saying is that he won. Some of the old Tour champions realize that. There is hardly anyone else from his era worthy to claim them. Why have 7 years blank? Why not more? For the record I can't stand LA.

 

[hektoren]

And another thing: When 12 out of 23 former cyclists state that you can't re-write history, that LA was the winner, regardless, they show that they probably don't know much about history. History is re-written everyday as new evidence comes to light. If you need evidence, read about the Katyn-massacre, perpetrated in April and May 1940, with a re-written history in 1990.
Lance was no winner. He was a loser, BIG-time. He shouldn´t have a prominent place in cycling history. Period.

 

[Benotti69]

Those who want Armstrong to have his wins back should be investigated by WADA and if found to have been doping, be stripped of their GT wins

 

[86TDFWinner]

Sorry about the lacking levels of my comprehension, but I can't see two sides to this question. Lance was as dirty as dirty gets, pushing cancer-riddled children in front of him, saying cancer is something you can fight if your will-power is strong enough, building a public persona received by presidents, PM's and nobility who were all-too-willing buyers into the myth, the media-coverage and the lie. At the same time Lance knew it all was bogus. He shouldn't have a place in professional cycling. He should have a place among professional liars, con-men, the Madoff's, the Ivar Kreuger's, the Enron's, the George Bush's of history.

This. Spot on. I once compared Wonderboy to Bernie Madoff, Wonderboy is MUCH worse.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Those who want Armstrong to have his wins back should be investigated by WADA and if found to have been doping, be stripped of their GT wins

Exactly! But unfortunately, they hide behind the SOL, knowing they can't really be touched.

 

[Berzin]

One of the quotes from the latest Armstrong family of films hits the nail on the head. I believe it was Floyd Landis who said it, but I'm not sure-

"The longer it went on the more impressed I am that Lance could maintain a story like that that was nearly 100% fabricated and still live such an obnoxious life and not even try to hide it".

 

[Scott SoCal]

One of the quotes from the latest Armstrong family of films hits the nail on the head. I believe it was Floyd Landis who said it, but I'm not sure-

"The longer it went on the more impressed I am that Lance could maintain a story like that that was nearly 100% fabricated and still live such an obnoxious life and not even try to hide it".

All he had to due was pull an Indurain and he'd still have it all.

 

[Merckx index]

This. Spot on. I once compared Wonderboy to Bernie Madoff, Wonderboy is MUCH worse.

Get a grip, please. LA is not in Madoff’s class. Maybe if he had the skills and the opportunity to do what Madoff did he would have, I certainly wouldn’t rule it out, but everything he gained from his Tour wins, and everything everyone else lost as a result, pale in comparison to what Madoff did. There is a reason Madoff is in jail for the rest of his life, and that LA is unlikely to serve any time at all, and most definitely not a life sentence.

And don’t tell me LA ruined the lives of millions with cancer. I’ve been a big critic of the cancer shield, and of the implication that the disease can be overcome by sheer will, but other than bitter disappointment that their hero was not what they thought he was, I don’t think anyone with cancer has been affected by LA’s downfall. Certainly not in the way that Madoff’s victims were.

Times like this, I’m rather glad the U.S. legal system, for all its flaws, is not in the hands of some in the Clinic.

 

[MarkvW]

And another thing: When 12 out of 23 former cyclists state that you can't re-write history, that LA was the winner, regardless, they show that they probably don't know much about history. History is re-written everyday as new evidence comes to light. If you need evidence, read about the Katyn-massacre, perpetrated in April and May 1940, with a re-written history in 1990.
Lance was no winner. He was a loser, BIG-time. He shouldn´t have a prominent place in cycling history. Period.

Who is a winner, if Lance isn't? Pereiro? Menchov? Heras? I can't sort it out. The whole thing is a big mess.

 

[Berzin]

Lance lived by the credo "what good is winning if you can't rub it in someone's face?"

Indurain never did that, and it's why he remains "the quiet champion" to this very day.

Even if it comes out that Indurain doped, he will never receive the same level of vitriol as Armstrong.

There's a reason his doping program has never been exposed-he never angered or attempted to marginalize anyone associated with his team the way Armstrong did.

 

[Benotti69]

Who is a winner, if Lance isn't? Pereiro? Menchov? Heras? I can't sort it out. The whole thing is a big mess.

Leave the space blank. Makes people ask questions to find the truth.

The whole sport is still a mess.

 

[the sceptic]

We still don't know the specifics of his program and should not assume it was "better." We know he had no regard for his health at many times in his life including a 9:1 T/E ratio in the earlier days. Maybe that's better enough with the known PED's?

We also know the UCI did not sanction his positive tests. That is probably the most important part of his doping program.

Point taken. Being in bed with the UCI is imo much worse than the doping and extremely unfair. Still, there will always be people willing to do whatever it takes to win. Yeah its unfair to those that ride clean, or those that dope and dont have the UCI on speed dial.. But thats just the reality of the doping game. As long as the UCI is the UCI its hard to imagine the sport can be fair.

Even though Lance annoyed me a lot at the time with his obvious doping, I dont really blame him for that anymore. I still dislike him for the bullying and the cancer shield, and all the lies.

 

[Scott SoCal]

Lance lived by the credo "what good is winning if you can't rub it in someone's face?"

Indurain never did that, and it's why he remains "the quiet champion" to this very day.

Even if it comes out that Indurain doped, he will never receive the same level of vitriol as Armstrong.

There's a reason his doping program has never been exposed-he never angered or attempted to marginalize anyone associated with his team the way Armstrong did.

Exactly...

 

[Scott SoCal]

Who is a winner, if Lance isn't? Pereiro? Menchov? Heras? I can't sort it out. The whole thing is a big mess.

I think the name you're searching for is "Floyd."

 

[mewmewmew13]

Sorry about the lacking levels of my comprehension, but I can't see two sides to this question. Lance was as dirty as dirty gets, pushing cancer-riddled children in front of him, saying cancer is something you can fight if your will-power is strong enough, building a public persona received by presidents, PM's and nobility who were all-too-willing buyers into the myth, the media-coverage and the lie. At the same time Lance knew it all was bogus. He shouldn't have a place in professional cycling. He should have a place among professional liars, con-men, the Madoff's, the Ivar Kreuger's, the Enron's, the George Bush's of history.

YAY!
very well said! I hope Lance is reading this ..no respect for that guy. None.

 

[BradCantona]

Doped winners must love it when they're asked what should happen to other doped winners! Good test of the guilty conscience that one

The most effective 'dope test' in sport is the reaction of an inherited winner when a champion athlete is caught doping. The obviously human reaction is anger that you've been wrongfully cheated of your glorious moment of triumph, bitter that a chancer tried to steal what was righfully yours. Yet how often we see the Schleck reaction, exactly the opposite to that

 

[MarkvW]

I think the name you're searching for is "Floyd."

If money is the measure of success, then I'm compelled to agree with you. If we're talking about "winning" in the sporting sense, though, Floyd is just another cheater. If we're talking about winning in the professional cycling sense, Floyd is a champion!

 

[SeriousSam]

The most effective 'dope test' in sport is the reaction of an inherited winner when a champion athlete is caught doping. The obviously human reaction is anger that you've been wrongfully cheated of your glorious moment of triumph, bitter that a chancer tried to steal what was righfully yours. Yet how often we see the Schleck reaction, exactly the opposite to that

This test has limited utility. See Armstrong, Lance.

 

[BradCantona]

Psychopaths are the exception that prove the rule

 

[86TDFWinner]

Get a grip, please. LA is not in Madoff’s class. Maybe if he had the skills and the opportunity to do what Madoff did he would have, I certainly wouldn’t rule it out, but everything he gained from his Tour wins, and everything everyone else lost as a result, pale in comparison to what Madoff did. There is a reason Madoff is in jail for the rest of his life, and that LA is unlikely to serve any time at all, and most definitely not a life sentence.

LOL...... The reason why Wonderboy isn't in jail for life is because of the connections and $$$ he has.

And don’t tell me LA ruined the lives of millions with cancer. I’ve been a big critic of the cancer shield, and of the implication that the disease can be overcome by sheer will, but other than bitter disappointment that their hero was not what they thought he was, I don’t think anyone with cancer has been affected by LA’s downfall. Certainly not in the way that Madoff’s victims were.

LOL again. He "ripped off" the very same foundation for years you're yammering on about. Private jets fueled by "donations", rides done for "donations" to Lances pockets/bank account. He's helped so many cancer patients, that even his own company/bogus foundation doesn't want to have anything to do with him. Also...Psstt, he/Livestrong DOESN'T cure cancer, they're an AWARENESS foundation, they do NOTHING to cure cancer. They're similar to Scientology I guess. Not to mention, he's a bully, & has cost people millions(you do remember a guy by the name of Greg LeMond right? or how about David Walsh? SCA? USPS?) Maybe not on the scale of Madoff, but they do possess similar traits.

Times like this, I’m rather glad the U.S. legal system, for all its flaws, is not in the hands of some in the Clinic.

I'm sure...so you too could get off if you did the same stuff Wonderboy did to folks. F&^% guy perjured himself, and isn't in jail. Plus, I was being factious when I said that about Madoff. Sorry you didn't/couldn't grasp the humor.

 

[86TDFWinner]

I watched Rosie Ruiz win the Boston Marathon. She even had a Yellow Jersey

LOL.. you don't say? I did too.

I saw Floyd win too.

Wouldn't it be interesting if you also saw the blood bags being hooked up... think you'd still consider him a winner in those tours?

Exactly!!