Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[Kretch]

It won't eat itself, it will just stay small--small enough so that the small-timers who run the sport won't get pushed aside.

And a doping culture will always persist.

 

[Kretch]

And a doping culture will always persist.

And praise be to the lord so will the clinic. Amen.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Why is he talking to CIRC then?

I think Lance is living in his own self-created La La land. I think he honestly believes he still has influence. I think he thinks he can so impress CIRC with his information they will recommend a reduction in suspension.

Lance does not recognize or accept that the harsh reality of his life is he is now a nobody. No one cares about him. He is a footnote. I don't think his ego can wrap its head around this. He is so used to being listened to in the past and commanding an audience, he has constructed a virtual world in his mind that he is somehow still relevant. He just doesn't get it!

Time will tell if the CIRC commissioners have been sucked in by a serial liar.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I see a lot time being spent writing a lot of words by a lot of people who think Lance is unimportant.

 

[frenchfry]

This isn't really about Tygart. Tygart had a gold-plated opportunity dropped on his desk by Floyd, and then Novitsky. He couldn't ethically ignore it. And Lance got the max sanction after not contesting the proceedings at all.

This hate on Tygart is just another flavor of the hate heaped on Novitsky, but with much less justification.

Some (including Armstrong himself) seem to forget that the lifetime ban was essentially Armstrong's own decision.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Armstrong was not the only fish fried! There were 5 fried.

Lots and lots in the sport should be gone as well. Lots hoped Cookson was the man to make a change

Have a pop a Landis, but Armstrong brought the roof down on himself.

No I was not taking a pop at Floyd. I actualy like Floyd. I had renamed Travis the humanmanrod.

But I agree LA was not the only fish fried but certainly it was his crew that got rolled. After that - crickets.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Some (including Armstrong himself) seem to forget that the lifetime ban was essentially Armstrong's own decision.

this conversation continues to be an endless loop. People try to pretend Lance is still in the big time so they will say anything.
Any word about his new charity?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

This isn't really about Tygart. Tygart had a gold-plated opportunity dropped on his desk by Floyd, and then Novitsky. He couldn't ethically ignore it. And Lance got the max sanction after not contesting the proceedings at all.

This hate on Tygart is just another flavor of the hate heaped on Novitsky, but with much less justification.

Is criticism hate? In my opinion it is ok to criticism Tygart with the way he has or has not continued his job at USADA after his big accomplishment. When you compare the way some athletes are handled with others. That is just criticism not hate.

 

[DirtyWorks]

No I was not taking a pop at Floyd. I actualy like Floyd. I had renamed Travis the humanmanrod.

But I agree LA was not the only fish fried but certainly it was his crew that got rolled. After that - crickets.

What would you have them do? It's up to the sports federations to open sanctions on athletes. That's how so many never test positive.

This is getting repetitive, but Armstrong's case was a golden opportunity executed perfectly by USADA.

The sports federations response was to fire the head of WADA and replace him with someone more friendly to doping. Meanwhile, the 2015 WADA standards were already finalized, so those will have to be undone.

 

[Bluenote]

this conversation continues to be an endless loop. People try to pretend Lance is still in the big time so they will say anything.
Any word about his new charity?

Went to his Twitter feed (yeah, I know) to see if there were more announcements. Didn't find anything, so I guess no news.

But I did find this little gem.
https://mobile.twitter.com/lancearmstrong/status/516781667017433088

Looks like he still has the cancer shield up. And still feels he was entitled to dope. No surprise, really.

 

[Scott SoCal]

Went to his Twitter feed (yeah, I know) to see if there were more announcements. Didn't find anything, so I guess no news.

But I did find this little gem.
https://mobile.twitter.com/lancearmstrong/status/516781667017433088

Looks like he still has the cancer shield up. And still feels he was entitled to dope. No surprise, really.

Dang. Monkeymouth sounds bitter.

I guess the psychotherapy isn't going very well.

 

[frenchfry]

Is criticism hate? In my opinion it is ok to criticism Tygart with the way he has or has not continued his job at USADA after his big accomplishment. When you compare the way some athletes are handled with others. That is just criticism not hate.

All that time spent with the newfies froze the hate right out of your system! Criticism is OK, but a bit of hate can do a world of good sometimes.

 

[frenchfry]

As a gesture of good faith, it would appear that Armstrong has put his attempts to destroy USADA on hold. Will this be enough to lead to a reduced ban?

In any case, how pathetic is it that a washed-up doper party addict actually wants to return to "competition". Get a life.

Just to be clear, given that I read and post regularily on this thread, I give the same advice to myself.

 

[Race Radio]

Why is he talking to CIRC then?

So he can issue a press release saying he told everything?

Armstrong's Qui Tam defense has largely been dismantled. What remains is his contention that USPS was aware the team were doping, but still sponsored them. He hopes to "Prove" this in two ways

1. Finding a smoking gun. His discovery requests show he hopes to find something in USPS' internal emails.

2. Absent a smoking gun he hopes his continued media campaign will result in a potential jury pool forgetting what the environment was like in 2000 and think that is was obvious that "Everyone was doing it"

Given that cycling is still a niche sport #2 is a risk. It is no surprise that the drumbeat since Oprah has been to paint the sport as so dirty that even the clueless folks at USPS must have known. Today that is certainly the case.....in 2000?

Anything to show that USPS paid their sponsorship even though they knew the team was doping.

 

[MarkvW]

If 'everyone was doing it' is a valid defense, then Lance should win going away.

 

[Benotti69]

So he can issue a press release saying he told everything?

my guess is he has talked privately to Cookson and is looking for a reduction of his ban.

Armstrong's Qui Tam defense has largely been dismantled. What remains is his contention that USPS was aware the team were doping, but still sponsored them. He hopes to "Prove" this in two ways

1. Finding a smoking gun. His discovery requests show he hopes to find something in USPS' internal emails.

2. Absent a smoking gun he hopes his continued media campaign will result in a potential jury pool forgetting what the environment was like in 2000 and think that is was obvious that "Everyone was doing it"

Given that cycling is still a niche sport #2 is a risk. It is no surprise that the drumbeat since Oprah has been to paint the sport as so dirty that even the clueless folks at USPS must have known. Today that is certainly the case.....in 2000?

Anything to show that USPS paid their sponsorship even though they knew the team was doping.

Boy he and his Liars are really scraping.

 

[Race Radio]

my guess is he has talked privately to Cookson and is looking for a reduction of his ban.

I doubt it. Lance has said there is no deal, the committee is supposed to be independent, and USADA is in charge of any reductions......but wouldn't it be great if he tried to make a "Donation" to Cookson like he did to Travis?

 

[Benotti69]

I doubt it. Lance has said there is no deal, the committee is supposed to be independent, and USADA is in charge of any reductions......but wouldn't it be great if he tried to make a "Donation" to Cookson like he did to Travis?

Armstrong wouldn't be talking to CIRC unless there was something in it for him.

 

[Digger]

The one thing I want lance to do at this stage is implacable hein and pat...after that we'll see.

 

[DirtyWorks]

...Lance has said..

There's your first problem.

 

[Race Radio]

Armstrong wouldn't be talking to CIRC unless there was something in it for him.

There is. For the Qui Tam case it is key that the idea that "Everyone was doing it" is spread far and wide. After the CIRC report is issued there will be months of media on it. Perfect timing

 

[RobbieCanuck]

I see a lot time being spent writing a lot of words by a lot of people who think Lance is unimportant.

So explain? How is LA important and relevant?

 

[mewmewmew13]

^^^^


awaiting a good post on his relevance

 

[gooner]

Good interview with Travis.

Still, there are people that accuse you of a sort of witch hunt against Armstrong. What would you say to those allegations?

Well, the facts are entirely different and don't support claims like that. If you go back to June 2012, we gave Lance Armstrong the same opportunity as anyone else to come in and be part of the solution. Look at the press release we did that day: we called on the sport to do a truth and reconciliation process. This was so the US team could be held accountable, a team which also included foreign riders, and also so other teams in the peloton at the time, who also participated in pretty sophisticated doping, could also be held accountable. So, us giving Armstrong the opportunity to come in, us meeting with him in December [of that year]: those are the accurate facts which dispel any sort of personal witchhunt or vendetta.
Let's not forget, he had the opportunity to contest all the evidence in front of judges, not USADA. Those judges would have levied whatever sanction then went into place. Armstrong, on the advice of his counsel, voluntarily withdrew a challenge to that evidence and accepted a lifetime ban. He could have gone and not even testified. He could have just challenged the sanction that went into place. So, if there was ever any belief that it was unfair or was not consistent with the other cases, there was a legal opportunity for that to be challenged, and that was not chosen.

http://www.dw.de/lance-armstrong-can-still-do-a-lot-for-sport-says-travis-tygart/a-18032928

 

[mewmewmew13]

Good interview with Travis.



http://www.dw.de/lance-armstrong-can-still-do-a-lot-for-sport-says-travis-tygart/a-18032928

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