Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

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Moose McKnuckles

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thehook said:
So all the clowns with the 6 month "suspensions"
Frankie, who doped, made money doping/riding for lance
Floyd, who doped, made money doping/riding, wrote a fiction book $, had a fiction "fund" $

They all get to go into USADA.
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Look, Beavis, Lance got the same deal. He just didn't take it because he's a complete fraud and has been throughout his entire career.

Lance had his own "fiction fund". It was called Livestrong.
 
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Well first I would like to apologize to all of the SENIOR clinic members for my "strong" post. I will also try to get many more posts to be at YOUR level. I was not aware of the internet rules.

My post was not to Bash Frankie. Or to debate his timeline for admission or the validity of his contrition.

My point was. Lance is an @55. He deserves what he is getting. But if you cooperated with USADA or any other entity to drop the Hammer on Him. Now he is going on the offensive. If Frankie/Betsie or any off the others have to whine about answering for there previous depositions/actions. And pony up some $ for legal fees. TOO BAD! They took a stand. And IMHO it was the right one. So stick to your guns! Don't whine about the fight! It's not over. He/Lance is now on offense. He was on defense. Now he has the "Ball" (no pun intended...maybe). Stick to your guns was my point.

This is all a consequence of our legal system here in the USA. Lance gets to face his accusers and ask questions. And there version must be bullet proof. Again they choose a stand. Hold it!

And yes I apologize again. I know I know, you can only make a point in the clinic if you have MANY posts.
 
JA.Tri

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Lance persists in arguing he is hard done by, when compared to those admitted dopers whom received six month suspensions.

In so doing he continues to ignore an accepted principle:

Investigated for breach, face charges...obstructs investigation, then found guilty after "pleading" (putting it most kindly) innocent, an individual will likely face full "penalty".

Compared with: an individual cooperates with investigation and receives a far lesser penalty in recognition of cooperation.

As for "I've done fair time" ...(egregious fraud I call) Lance, again I call, can serve a 4 year ban, then an 8 year ban, then a lifetime ban. I'm feeling generous ... therefore he can serve them concurrently.

As for forgiving Lance ... I recon when he humbly apologises...makes appropriate restitution and THEN seeks forgiveness...maybe he could reasonably anticipate forgiveness. Mind you, those generous of spirit may well have granted same already. However to anticipate, let alone expect is a different story.
 
thehog

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http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/cycling/31073880

"No-one forced me to leave, I left of my own free will," he said, adding that Armstrong's sponsors cannot claim to be "victims" either because "they got their money's worth" in publicity.

On the issue of Armstrong's legal problems with the US federal government, Mercier said: "Nearly every rider who donned a USPS kit was involved in some sort of doping, and yet only Lance defrauded the government? All those guys were paid real money."

Armstrong and Mercier are now friends and often ride together when the disgraced Texan visits his holiday home in Colorado.

Armstrong mentioned Mercier in his recent BBC interview as an example of somebody who chose "integrity" over the career in professional cycling.
"I was never much of a Team Lance fan," Mercier explained.

"I knew he was lying and his arrogance and boorish behaviour made me cringe.
"However, my issue with him was never about his performance. He was, quite simply, the best of his generation and is one of the fiercest competitors the world has ever seen.

"He says if there was anything he could change, it would be the way he treated people. I believe him. I've seen the way he treats people today and it's with humility and grace
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Bromance 2.0 :cool:
 
JA.Tri

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Lance supported by Pat Mc

Pat has had so many "changes of direction", he knows not where he is. Nor does he know where he has been. Therefore one should not be surprised to discover that Pat knows not where he is headed.

As such>>> any words of wisdom offered by Pat, perhaps should be interpreted as meaning something other than the "plain English interpretation" would indicate.

Ironic comes to mind ...on more than one level!
 
JA.Tri

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thehog said:
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/cycling/31073880



Bromance 2.0 :cool:
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Humility and grace.... my jaundiced eye reviews evidence and opines (very independent my j eye) that this seems incongruent with:

half a55ed admission/apology...
limited? any? restitution

A very generous view Mr M. I wonder if Mr M has contemplated how some others might feel (example previous owner/administrator of CN antecedent)?
 
Master50

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Moose McKnuckles said:
Look, Beavis, Lance got the same deal. He just didn't take it because he's a complete fraud and has been throughout his entire career.

Lance had his own "fiction fund". It was called Livestrong.
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This is contentious and the foundation of his treated differently complaint. they were after him and anyone else they cusght along the way were inconsequential to USADA and Tygart. Only Lance was going to do and I believe he was not treated like the rest that really were there to make USADAS's case agains LA. the Doping practices at any of his teams was also of little interests as long as LA went down.
This seems credible to me just because the US legal system loves a big fish take down. It makes great political currency toward a career and Travis has certainly improved his stars.
Now do I think he should get a reduction? 12 years would have served me but I appreciate that does not satisfy everyone.
 
JA.Tri

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Master50 said:
This is contentious and the foundation of his treated differently complaint. they were after him and anyone else they cusght along the way were inconsequential to USADA and Tygart. Only Lance was going to do and I believe he was not treated like the rest that really were there to make USADAS's case agains LA. the Doping practices at any of his teams was also of little interests as long as LA went down.
This seems credible to me just because the US legal system loves a big fish take down. It makes great political currency toward a career and Travis has certainly improved his stars.
Now do I think he should get a reduction? 12 years would have served me but I appreciate that does not satisfy everyone.
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I accept that the above may be the case. However I surmise that USADA were wary of lodging a "losing case" and sought to make the an "ironclad" case (accepting even the strongest cases may be stymied or lost).

So the net was cast wide with the netting coarse enough to allow the "minnows" to escape relatively intact, and strong enough to catch the "prize fish".

"minnows" and "prize fish" defined as per USADA and stakeholders views

LA (and lawyers) seemed to have on several occasions to have perhaps avoided the net. And to date other likely "prize fish" appear to have "slipped" thru' the net.

The story is not yet finished therefore difficult to call.

To finish justice is not fair...it just is. By analogy I have exceeded the "limit s of law". I am no less culpable than those investigated and found guilty, as yet however I have not been found guilty.
 
the sceptic

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86TDFWinner said:
I saw/read that too and could not stop laughing, this guy is an obvious Wonderboy ball washer. Wonderboy apologists crack me up.:rolleyes:
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Is Lance not allowed to have friends? No need to insult this guy.

To me this whole case seems pretty farcical and a bit of a joke to be honest. I mean, the US government suing someone for defrauding taxepayers money.. Everyone should just stop right there and laugh.
 
MarkvW

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the sceptic said:
Is Lance not allowed to have friends? No need to insult this guy.

To me this whole case seems pretty farcical and a bit of a joke to be honest. I mean, the US government suing someone for defrauding taxepayers money.. Everyone should just stop right there and laugh.
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Lance promised to race clean and got paid for it. Lance broke his promise to race clean, lied about it, and now the feds want their money back. No great emotional drama here. Lance shouldn't benefit from a bargain that Lance didn't keep.

I'd much rather the feds have their money than Lance.
 
the sceptic

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MarkvW said:
Lance promised to race clean and got paid for it. Lance broke his promise to race clean, lied about it, and now the feds want their money back. No great emotional drama here. Lance shouldn't benefit from a bargain that Lance didn't keep.

I'd much rather the feds have their money than Lance.
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But Lance did race clean. No one thought he was doping at the time, so they got the american hero they paid for.

Of course Lance doesn't deserve to have that money either, no one does. But rather him than the government.

I'm sure the case makes perfect sense for people who understand how the law game works, but I don't and to me it just seems absurd, especially when you think about how much taxpayer money the government has wasted on things they lied about over the years.
 
MarkvW

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the sceptic said:
But Lance did race clean. No one thought he was doping at the time, so they got the american hero they paid for.

Of course Lance doesn't deserve to have that money either, no one does. But rather him than the government.

I'm sure the case makes perfect sense for people who understand how the law game works, but I don't and to me it just seems absurd, especially when you think about how much taxpayer money the government has wasted on things they lied about over the years.
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Lance raced clean because "no one" thought he was doping at the time? You'd better refine that argument some before you take it to prime time.

If a tree falls in the woods and nobody sees it fall, does that mean the tree didn't fall?
 
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MarkvW said:
Lance raced clean because "no one" thought he was doping at the time? You'd better refine that argument some before you take it to prime time.

If a tree falls in the woods and nobody sees it fall, does that mean the tree didn't fall?
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That sounds like a McQuaidism.. lol
 
mewmewmew13

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Fortyninefourteen said:
Based on his last few rounds, Tigers has lost his wood, and is going downhill with Lindsay.:)
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such a weird guy..and so is she really.

but Mercier..I am just waiting for the day Lance shows up to ride with him in a badass mood..treats a few strangers like crap and bullies or punches out someone :)
 
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