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As for the forum filter it is a strange beast indeed.

 

[Benotti69]

Neil never disappoints.

Yeah i really enjoyed Neil's piece.

 

[thehog]

And being obvious Armstrong is not the sharpest tool in the box, I wouldn't be surprised if he and his mates simply deleted the video files without reformatting the hard drive, in which case the information can easily be recovered, even if the Recycle Bin has been emptied. There are also a myriad of files other than the actual video file that are modified during recording, and that these people probably wouldn't have a clue about. And then there's more to a computer than the hard drive. And then there's the camera, of course. If the cameras weren't functional [cough, cough], and on top of that the hard drive was reformatted, I can imagine inspector Columbo asking many, many, many questions to many different people. A mountain of eye witnesses and cross-examination will probably be enough to get a few people, including Armstrong, in serious trouble, but there will be electronic evidence of some type as well.

More to the point and similar to a murder scene cleaned with bleach. If there's evidence that data has been deleted since the incident on Saturday that in itself is cause to defraud. They don't actually need the footage.

Proof of deleted hard-drive and at least one eye witness account will be enough.

 

[Benotti69]

More to the point and similar to a murder scene cleaned with bleach. If there's evidence that data has been deleted since the incident on Saturday that in itself is cause to defraud. They don't actually need the footage.

Proof of deleted hard-drive and at least one eye witness account will be enough.

Unless they have destroyed the hard drive on which the video images were stored they are retrievable.

If CacheCache are being unhelpful in the FBI investigation can it affect their restaurant licence?

 

[thehog]

If CacheCache are being unhelpful in the FBI investigation can it affect their restaurant licence?

CC is a small business. They really shouldn't mess about with the FBI. All of sudden you find that the EPA are coming in to check your sanitation units, the tax man is going over your books and your alcohol licence gets reviewed. Its not a path you want to be taking. Especially when you rely heavily on cash flow.

A more suitable response would have been: “We at Cache Cache respect all of our patrons. Mr. Hamilton was welcome in our restaurant and we’re sorry that he didn’t enjoy his time here. We were not witness to any altercation with another patron and if he’d like to come back sometime we’ll offer him and his friends are meal on the house. We do know Lance Armstrong very well and as already stated we did not witness any aggressive behaviour between he and Mr. Hamilton. We have always enjoyed Mr. Armstrong’s patronage and will continue to do so. We don’t believe there is lot more we can do in the investigation but keep serving excellent food to all of our customers regardless of who they are”.

That would have diffused the entire situation. All CC have done is fan the flames.... but Armstrong does that... he gets a lot of innocent people mixed up in his business and they take the hit for him....

 

[ShawnB]

Not a crime to erase the tapes unless they were contacted first or had reason to believe a crime was even committed. ...If they choose for whatever reason to not have the camera on, or throw out tapes, well that is their choice. It is personal property. What judge is going to sign a warrant to repossess those tapes?

OMG. Not a crime to destroy evidence to federal witness tampering? Unless the authorities asked for it first?? What planet are you on?


Oh, the gun that man was shot with was my personal property. So I chose to melt it down, officer. You ain't got nothin' on me now -- no law against that, right?

Yeah, um; doesn't work that way. Obstruction of justice. Tampering with physical evidence. And in this case, preceded by aiding and abetting federal witness intimidation. How many crimes is that in itself? A few subpoenaed phone records, and the proof of intent is well enough established to raise the possibility of charges of Obstruction of Justice (Witness Tampering)...

...By intimidation (18 U.S.C. 1512(b))
...By destruction of evidence (18 U.S.C. 1512(c))
...By harassment (18 U.S.C. 1512(d))

These are all separate Federal crimes, i.e. all separate charges, separate punishments.

Here's a listing of the Federal statutes, with explanations. And here's NY's version of the relevant felony statute for evidence tampering, for one -- I suspect it's either verbatim or nearly so for CO, as it's boilerplate stuff throughout the land. Note that the evidence need not have yet been produced... Prospective evidence is entirely within its scope, prior to any official investigation or proceeding.


Not into playing legal expert at all, but come on, this is just common knowledge: You don't get to destroy potential evidence to a crime just because it suits you. God, I would have hoped that was common knowledge, anyway..

 

[jackwolf]

Unless they have destroyed the hard drive on which the video images were stored they are retrievable.

It might be possible for somebody with enough computer knowledge to permanently delete the information (that wouldn't be Armstrong, of course), but it would be extremely difficult not to leave evidence behind of the deletion itself.

And answering to some ridiculous comments that I can't be bothered to find:
it's unfortunate that law enforcement agencies "waste" taxpayers' money and make mountains out of mole hills like witness tampering, destruction of evidence, etc, but that's the way it is. Better get used to it.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Anything with a screw top!!!!!

Babich SB

 

[Benotti69]

It might be possible for somebody with enough computer knowledge to permanently delete the information (that wouldn't be Armstrong, of course), but it would be extremely difficult not to leave evidence behind of the deletion itself.

And answering to some ridiculous comments that I can't be bothered to find:
it's unfortunate that law enforcement agencies "waste" taxpayers' money and make mountains out of mole hills like witness tampering, destruction of evidence, etc, but that's the way it is. Better get used to it.

i imagine the fbi are up to date on recovering data from computer and hard drives without too much difficulty.

Yep when people tamper with witnesses they create the need to waste tax payers money

 

[Microchip]

I'd love to see an episode of inspector Columbo having a chat with Jodi.

...then he'd turn back just as he was about to leave, and say, "one more thing..."

 

[RigelKent]

What wine goes best with pop corn?

Champagne or chardonnay is the response you'll get from the experts.

 

[BotanyBay]

I'm willing to bet that:

A) Hamilton specifically chose Cache Cache so that he could pee on Lance's territory. A subtle way of saying to Lance that "you can't intimidate me anymore"

B) Lance was not even in town, but upon hearing (from Cache Cache) that said tiger was urinating on said territory, decided to go on a last minute "Cancer Crusade" in the jet (gotta make sure the Jet-A was on the LAF's dime). And hey, whatta ya know, there's Tyler coming out of the bathroom! Hey bud!

Lance can keep his cool to a certain extent, but he wasn't going to let Tyler prowl on HIS territory. And Tyler knew that his visit would get back to Lance. Lance knew that Tyler was f-ing with him, so he amped it up.

The FBI will prove that there was a phone call, Lance received the phone call, gassed up the jet and specifically came to Aspen to make that confrontation. Better chance that Lance will go to jail for THIS than for any doping-related case that arises.

As I have said before, give Lance enough rope, and he's so self-destructive, he'll hang himself. One day at a time.

 

[Anonymous]

LanterneRouge

No offense, but it's hard to believe that some of these bloggers could actually hold a paid full time job somewhere. NotFolNothin'

 

[Race Radio]

Hi guys. I have been out riding my bike here...did I miss anything in the last week?

 

[D-Queued]

Now, I like Susan and have no quarrel with her, AND DO NOT WANT TO DERAIL THIS THREAD, but did anyone else see the humor in this:

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Dave.

 

[D-Queued]

I'm willing to bet that:

A) Hamilton specifically chose Cache Cache so that he could pee on Lance's territory. A subtle way of saying to Lance that "you can't intimidate me anymore"

B) Lance was not even in town, but upon hearing (from Cache Cache) that said tiger was urinating on said territory, decided to go on a last minute "Cancer Crusade" in the jet (gotta make sure the Jet-A was on the LAF's dime). And hey, whatta ya know, there's Tyler coming out of the bathroom! Hey bud!

Lance can keep his cool to a certain extent, but he wasn't going to let Tyler prowl on HIS territory. And Tyler knew that his visit would get back to Lance. Lance knew that Tyler was f-ing with him, so he amped it up.

The FBI will prove that there was a phone call, Lance received the phone call, gassed up the jet and specifically came to Aspen to make that confrontation. Better chance that Lance will go to jail for THIS than for any doping-related case that arises.

As I have said before, give Lance enough rope, and he's so self-destructive, he'll hang himself. One day at a time.

That.

Dave.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

'tis a wise mod who can edit herself.....



Susan

 

[Cloxxki]

I'm willing to bet that:

A) Hamilton specifically chose Cache Cache so that he could pee on Lance's territory. A subtle way of saying to Lance that "you can't intimidate me anymore"

B) Lance was not even in town, but upon hearing (from Cache Cache) that said tiger was urinating on said territory, decided to go on a last minute "Cancer Crusade" in the jet (gotta make sure the Jet-A was on the LAF's dime). And hey, whatta ya know, there's Tyler coming out of the bathroom! Hey bud!

Lance can keep his cool to a certain extent, but he wasn't going to let Tyler prowl on HIS territory. And Tyler knew that his visit would get back to Lance. Lance knew that Tyler was f-ing with him, so he amped it up.

The FBI will prove that there was a phone call, Lance received the phone call, gassed up the jet and specifically came to Aspen to make that confrontation. Better chance that Lance will go to jail for THIS than for any doping-related case that arises.

As I have said before, give Lance enough rope, and he's so self-destructive, he'll hang himself. One day at a time.

Lance now still has time to allocate any wasted jet fuel to his own account, else the charity would have looked even worse over this. Had this affair been brought out in the open after only 2 months or so, he may very well have stamped this fuel "cancer crusade".

While few things should surprise us about Lance's personality, even from him you wouldn't expect him to change his plans to use the restrooms a few states away. He could and should have done much better than this if he were to "set Tyler straight". Very amateurist.

May have done his lawyers a big favor though. They can pretty much wrap up their involvement, suggesting his highness might find more suitable counsels. That's a team I'd hate to be on. Like a wrestling match where you've been elected loser up front, but the punches will be for real.

 

[cat6cx]

Botany B,

Glad you are back!! I can't believe how little you've posted with all the recent news.

Where've you been?

 

[Benotti69]

I'm willing to bet that:

A) Hamilton specifically chose Cache Cache so that he could pee on Lance's territory. A subtle way of saying to Lance that "you can't intimidate me anymore"

B) Lance was not even in town, but upon hearing (from Cache Cache) that said tiger was urinating on said territory, decided to go on a last minute "Cancer Crusade" in the jet (gotta make sure the Jet-A was on the LAF's dime). And hey, whatta ya know, there's Tyler coming out of the bathroom! Hey bud!

Lance can keep his cool to a certain extent, but he wasn't going to let Tyler prowl on HIS territory. And Tyler knew that his visit would get back to Lance. Lance knew that Tyler was f-ing with him, so he amped it up.

The FBI will prove that there was a phone call, Lance received the phone call, gassed up the jet and specifically came to Aspen to make that confrontation. Better chance that Lance will go to jail for THIS than for any doping-related case that arises.

As I have said before, give Lance enough rope, and he's so self-destructive, he'll hang himself. One day at a time.

If he does, i hope it scares him enough to go crying to Novitsky begging to tell all so we can truly find out the extent of the systematic doping an how they beat the controls.

 

[blackcat]

No its not.
You think McIlvain was brought in so that they have enough evidence to go after a witness?? Thats faulty reasoning.

Armstrong's only public comments about the investigation (besides that he isn't losing sleep over it) was to deny that he had no ownership in Tailwind.
Which we here in The Clinic debunked within minutes and we released State documents showing that he indeed is a Director of Tailwind.
They will be the targets of this investigation.

double negative good doc

 

[Cobblestoned]

Hi guys. I have been out riding my bike here...did I miss anything in the last week?

This must be a rethorical question.
We all know that the worlds stands still and is waiting for RR coming back to enlighten us all and provide us with extreme precise news and predictions.

 

[thehog]

'tis a wise mod who can edit herself.....



Susan

Good write up by VeloNews on the incident at CC.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011...midation-is-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder_178739

 

[MR_Sarcastic]

Very good "impartial" write up.
The linked NYT write up was even better.

 

[D-Queued]

Very good "impartial" write up.
The linked NYT write up was even better.

Thus far the only thing missing in this episode is for the UCI to launch a lawsuit against Hamilton for damaging the sport by being at Cache Cache.

Likely being filed as I write this.

Dave.