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[Cimacoppi49]

I think he was at the Time Trial.

He tweeted that he was in Grenoble and Paris, but I haven't see any photos of him in either place--not on the RS team site or LiveStrong. Anyone have a link to a photo or eyewitness report?

 

[MarkvW]

He tweeted that he was in Grenoble and Paris, but I haven't see any photos of him in either place--not on the RS team site or LiveStrong. Anyone have a link to a photo or eyewitness report?

Becoming a fan?

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Becoming a fan?

ROTFL! It's funny, I was sort of a fan up until 1999. I saw him race in Philadelphia and NY and was impressed to a point. I didn't think he was much other than a really good one day rider. An arrogant ***, but it wasn't too bad back then. I can also say this, I had the privilege of sitting on Greg Lemond's wheel in a race in NYC (one of the Apple Laps that Al Toefield put on, IIRC) for around two laps and it was very clear to me that Armstrong was not in Lemond's class at all. So then the plow horse became the winged Pegasus in 1999 and it was clear it wasn't natural. No way to be a fan or enjoy following him and his merry band of pigs that fly.

 

[Iker_Baqueiro]

so what's happenning with this?

It is too quiet. Does not look good.

When is the indictment going to be done?

 

[davestoller]

ROTFL! It's funny, I was sort of a fan up until 1999. I saw him race in Philadelphia and NY and was impressed to a point. I didn't think he was much other than a really good one day rider. An arrogant ***, but it wasn't too bad back then. I can also say this, I had the privilege of sitting on Greg Lemond's wheel in a race in NYC (one of the Apple Laps that Al Toefield put on, IIRC) for around two laps and it was very clear to me that Armstrong was not in Lemond's class at all. So then the plow horse became the winged Pegasus in 1999 and it was clear it wasn't natural. No way to be a fan or enjoy following him and his merry band of pigs that fly.

ROTFL! It's funny, I was sort of a fan up until 1999. I saw him race in Philadelphia and NY and was impressed to a point. I didn't think he was much other than a really good one day rider. An arrogant ***, but it wasn't too bad back then. I can also say this, I had the privilege of sitting on Greg Lemond's wheel in a race in NYC (one of the Apple Laps that Al Toefield put on, IIRC) for around two laps and it was very clear to me that Armstrong was not in Lemond's class at all. So then the plow horse became the winged Pegasus in 1999 and it was clear it wasn't natural. No way to be a fan or enjoy following him and his merry band of pigs that fly.

Wow. Now I am absolutely convinced that Lance doped!
Thanks for sharing. Where have you been for the last 12 years?!?!

If only you had come out to the world and TOLD us that you sat on Greg Lemond's wheel ( did it break? BTW) in a race 20 or 25 years ago, no one would have been defrauded of those 7 yellow jerseys, Dauphine, Tour de Suisse etc etc. The French govt in 2000 could have called you as a witness in their year long investigation that led nowhere, the SCA lawsuit that Lance won, heck, you could have uncovered all the fraud in just three sentences, the current year long US investigation could have been halted. And saved millions of dollars and Tyler's 60 minutes profile and book tour.

Wait, call Novitzky right now and share this with him!!!

And while you're at it- post your team name or USA cycling palmares. Or name?

 

[davestoller]

just saw this! Thank you Velodude.
quite interesting and he looks to be having a happy and productive life.
and LA...
karma indeed!

This explains certain agendas around here

 

[Anonymous]

I heard a weird story that someone nabbed the tires from Alberto's taxi as he set out to go to this exclusive soiree. Heard anything about that?

Myself, I surmise this tire dustup thing is another HogBoy type interweb rumour, as I heard that the main course at the soiree involved cow parts, which Bertie seems to avoid lately.

He should go on the Flandis diet - waffles, waffles, and more waffles.

Hey look, it's the guy who isn't a Lance Armstrong fan...

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Wow. Now I am absolutely convinced that Lance doped!
Thanks for sharing. Where have you been for the last 12 years?!?!

If only you had come out to the world and TOLD us that you sat on Greg Lemond's wheel ( did it break? BTW) in a race 20 or 25 years ago, no one would have been defrauded of those 7 yellow jerseys, Dauphine, Tour de Suisse etc etc. The French govt in 2000 could have called you as a witness in their year long investigation that led nowhere, the SCA lawsuit that Lance won, heck, you could have uncovered all the fraud in just three sentences, the current year long US investigation could have been halted. And saved millions of dollars and Tyler's 60 minutes profile and book tour.

Wait, call Novitzky right now and share this with him!!!

And while you're at it- post your team name or USA cycling palmares. Or name?

LOL! I've been posting on rbr since 1994 and telling people that doping had become a major problem in the sport. Too bad nobody listened.

That said, it was not unusual if you were racing in the 70s and 80s to rub shoulders in races with most of the top US riders. When I began racing in 1976 there were only about 5,000 licensed racers in the US. The top riders traveled and it was fun to ride with them. My favorite guy to race with back then was Harvey Nitz. Nicest guy you'll ever meet and very good. I think he and Lemond rode for a short time as teammates for Palo Alto or Avocet.

You might want to dig out an article from 1994 or 95 in Cycling Weekly in which Andy Hampsten talked about his discussions with Dr. Max Testa about whether or not to dope. He and Max concluded that it was better to ride his career clean with fewer wins and be able to live with himself. That article was widely discussed on Usenet and the prevailing sentiment was that Hampsten was venting sour grapes.

As for the team I rode with--German Bicycle Sport Club and later Team Internet.

 

[Velodude]

This explains certain agendas around here

And these agendas would be diametrically opposed to your (hidden) agenda?

On this Forum you have definitely demonstrated your bias by having a bee in your bonnet about LA Investigator Jeff Novitzky by being continually critical of his integrity and professionalism.

I do not know what you expect to achieve (hidden agenda?) to allegedly assist LA by attempting to sully Novitzky's repute.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

A buddy in France tells me that Lance is holed up in Ferrari's camper in St. Moritz.

 

[Mr. O'Clock]

A buddy in France tells me that Lance is holed up in Ferrari's camper in St. Moritz.

So, great sucker of wheels, did you also suck the wheels of the stetinas, John Howard gmount,neel och, the barb, or grewal? Or perhaps bob roll or a certain dphinney? Ok you got your 15 minutes of fame chapeau.

 

[Hugh Januss]

So, great sucker of wheels, did you also suck the wheels of the stetinas, John Howard gmount,neel och, the barb, or grewal? Or perhaps bob roll or a certain dphinney? Ok you got your 15 minutes of fame chapeau.

Sounds like he's about 14:59 ahead of you though.

 

[Damiano Machiavelli]

Sounds like he's about 14:59 ahead of you though.

I thought BPC was already famous around here. Although his trolling prowess seems to have declined to a pathetic gadfly level of annoyance.

 

[Mr. O'Clock]

I thought BPC was already famous around here. Although his trolling prowess seems to have declined to a pathetic gadfly level of annoyance.

Call the troll hunters, and after all I have done for the sort.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Sometimes certain names just sound like they have a hidden agenda.

 

[MacRoadie]

I thought BPC was already famous around here. Although his trolling prowess seems to have declined to a pathetic gadfly level of annoyance.

And gone once again...

 

[mewmewmew13]

And gone once again...

until the next time...

 

[Oldman]

so what's happenning with this?

It is too quiet. Does not look good.

When is the indictment going to be done?

I'm sure the Clemen's reset has some precedence for now. With most of the background testimony in the can the SP should be able to pick his time. It's not like funds for the case are part of cuts in "Cut, Cap...bs".

 

[MarkvW]

I'm sure the Clemen's reset has some precedence for now. With most of the background testimony in the can the SP should be able to pick his time. It's not like funds for the case are part of cuts in "Cut, Cap...bs".

Clemens was a major prosecution gaffe. They violated an order of the judge by playing a tape that contained a witness (Pettitte's wife) statement that had previously been excluded from evidence (after violating a different court order earlier in the trial (opening statement, I think)). This slid right past the defense counsel, but it didn't slide past the judge.

Double Jeopardy means that the prosecution only gets one fair shot at the defendant. The hearing coming up in the Clemens' case is (to much oversimplify) to determine whether the prosecution blew their one fair chance at the defendant or whether another trial will be held.

This kind of thing only has the potential to set precedent in other cases involving mistrials and double jeopardy.

Either (1) Lance is charged by sealed indictment (as Race Radio has suggested as a possibility) and the feds are investigating further, or (2) After 14 months (at least), the feds do not have enough evidence to bring any Posties to trial.

 

[rata de sentina]

I thought BPC was already famous around here. Although his trolling prowess seems to have declined to a pathetic gadfly level of annoyance.

Probably your best post ever. That "pathetic gadfly" is very noice. I was about to eviscerate you in some other thread but I'll desist now.

 

[davestoller]

And these agendas would be diametrically opposed to your (hidden) agenda?

On this Forum you have definitely demonstrated your bias by having a bee in your bonnet about LA Investigator Jeff Novitzky by being continually critical of his integrity and professionalism.

I do not know what you expect to achieve (hidden agenda?) to allegedly assist LA by attempting to sully Novitzky's repute.

No agenda- was a play on Floyds infamous comment.
Which I now take to mean: hey, everyone dopes, why am i the only guy to get popped. A paranoid thought? Or reality.

No, regardless of whether he who must not be named doped or not, and there is little reason to doubt, I think Novitzky is a psychopath who just by coincidence, (not by morals, values, or behaviors) is supposedly "on the right side."

I think the investigation is a colossal waste of time money. If you hadnt noticed, the US is in a debt crisis of unparalelled proportion.

I would rather they investigate Wall Street, why CEOs make thousands of times what the base worker does, why the save the banks bailout resulted in huge windfall profits for the money guys.

Who DOES care about some bike races in Europe over a decade ago?

 

[Race Radio]

Babble..........I think Novitzky is a psychopath who just by coincidence.............

I think the investigation is a colossal waste of time money.....

.......More babble

Who DOES care about some bike races in Europe over a decade ago?

You keep making this claim that Novitzky is psycho who leaks, but are unable to back it up, it seem you hope this is true rather then know it is. Let us know when you have something to support your theory.

How large does Armstrong's crime have to be for you to be OK with investigating it? By now even you are aware that this is not about doping in a bike race 10 years ago. Does Armstrong get a pass on all crimes or just the doping stuff?

 

[Cimacoppi49]

No agenda- was a play on Floyds infamous comment.
Which I now take to mean: hey, everyone dopes, why am i the only guy to get popped. A paranoid thought? Or reality.

No, regardless of whether he who must not be named doped or not, and there is little reason to doubt, I think Novitzky is a psychopath who just by coincidence, (not by morals, values, or behaviors) is supposedly "on the right side."

I think the investigation is a colossal waste of time money. If you hadnt noticed, the US is in a debt crisis of unparalelled proportion.

I would rather they investigate Wall Street, why CEOs make thousands of times what the base worker does, why the save the banks bailout resulted in huge windfall profits for the money guys.

Who DOES care about some bike races in Europe over a decade ago?

The Lance PR campaign is fixated on Novistsky. Novitsky, while playing an important role, especially early on, is now just one of probably around 100 investigators involved in the case. What you and the PR flacks think of Novitsky is irrelevant to the government as evidenced by the ever widening scope of their investigation and the fact that he's still active in that investigation.

The time and money lament is frivolous. It's not about some bike races in Europe and you as the Fabiani PR team keep droning on about. It's about possible/probable fraud on the US government, conspiracy, money laundering, perjury and other crimes. You know that. Fabiani and Lance know that.

Some of those Wall Street CEOs are committing crimes. Recent prosecutions for insider trading have been significant. As to the income disparity issue, that has nothing to do with criminal prosecution. It's a political issue. Write to your congressman and Senators. Tell them to pass legislation restructuring pay scales for investment firms. Fabiani should be perfect for pushing such legislation through--but, you or Lance will have to pay him well for that service.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Just had a conversation with a friend who is a former Federal prosecutor. He has no information other than what has been published. He thinks that a sealed indictment may well have been handed down. If not, one is imminent as evidenced by Armstrong's counsel's attack on the Grand Jury proceedings and the recent quietness of Armstrong and his PR flacks. He read the filing alleging leaks. Pure, desperate garbage in his view.

The show will be starting very soon.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

So, great sucker of wheels, did you also suck the wheels of the stetinas, John Howard gmount,neel och, the barb, or grewal? Or perhaps bob roll or a certain dphinney? Ok you got your 15 minutes of fame chapeau.

Thanks for the chapeau. Though off topic, I'll answer your question only because it brings back pleasant memories of when bicycle racing was a smaller, more closely knit community.

Most of the riders you mention were slightly before my racing. I did ride one race in which Davis Phinney rode and won on Long Island.Really nice person to speak with. I ran into him again in Hershey, PA and he was still the same pleasant guy. Didn't race with either of the Stetinas, Grewal or Roll.

I never raced with John Howard in a USCF race. I did help pace him to his 24 hour record in the Pepsi Challenge in New York City's Central Park in 1983, IIRC. John had been brought in by Lenny Preheim of the Toga Team (the original Toga bike shop in Alphabetland on the lower East Side, 13th and Avenue C). A wide variety of local riders did one and two hour shifts pacing him to a record ride. As each person finished, John personally thanked them for their help. A really nice guy. Loved those Green Toga bikes built in CT by Richard Sachs.

To bring this back on topic, has anyone come up with a photo of Armstrong in France past weekend?