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MarkvW said:
You've got it all wrong! Clinic posters have stated that Lance "will" be charged with (unarticulated) crimes or that there is a "high probability" that Lance will be charged with said (unarticulated) crimes. He's not teflon! HIS DOOM IS NEAR!! You read it here first!

I like your argument! Either Lance is innocent or the entire fabric of our society is hosed! It's right up there with the 'evidence is evidence' argument or the 85% chance that doping caused Lance's cancer argument. Keep it up! Don't let the haters get you down! Your arguments equal theirs in reasoning power!

And some people just make sh!t up regarding what others write. Because if you can read (I am assuming such, but you could have a chimp transcribing your thoughts if you had a trained chimp and were also illiterate. Since this is via computer, there is no certain method of confirmation unless you want to send me your address), I clearly did not infer anything regarding certainty or even likelihood of even an investigation. So, use a smaller brush if you are going to come here to bemoan the writings of others.
 
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Judge Jacqueline Nguyen has ruled on Armstrong motion to see the Governments sealed response to his unsupported claim of leaks as well as parts of the governments case against him.

The ruling is ... secret.

Thus, the likelihood that there were any sanctions against people working for governmental entities is minimal. In fact, I would say that it is almost certain there were no such sanctions or admonishments. No reason to keep such things secret, nor reason to believe that Fabiani would be required to keep his mouth shut regarding the basic revelation that there were sanctions. Looks like a loss for Oedipus Tex and his merry band of propagandists.

I wonder if Oedipus Tex has tweeted anything yet?
 
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What bet is that?

C'mon. You keep claiming he will settle. I say if he is indicted he will go to trial, and that he will win. You know we have had this conversation before.

Well? Let's bet accounts. You win, I stop posting forever on this forum. I win, you do the same. Deal?

Do it for the pitchfork crowd. You seem so sure of yourself. This is an easy win to get rid of one of the fanboys lol.
 
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ChrisE said:
C'mon. You keep claiming he will settle. I say if he is indicted he will go to trial, and that he will win. You know we have had this conversation before.

Well? Let's bet accounts. You win, I stop posting forever on this forum. I win, you do the same. Deal?

Do it for the pitchfork crowd. You seem so sure of yourself. This is an easy win to get rid of one of the fanboys lol.

ChrisE..... sometime in the not too distant future, I bet that you have one ball less than your hero, to come on here and spout your nonsense.
 
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ChrisE said:
C'mon. You keep claiming he will settle. I say if he is indicted he will go to trial, and that he will win. You know we have had this conversation before.

Well? Let's bet accounts. You win, I stop posting forever on this forum. I win, you do the same. Deal?

Do it for the pitchfork crowd. You seem so sure of yourself. This is an easy win to get rid of one of the fanboys lol.

Sorry, I must have missed your request.

Given Wonderboy's increasingly irrational behavior predicting what he will do is a challenge. He lawyers will tell him to work a plea deal but he may not do it.

Regardless I do think he will be found guilty, either by his own admission or by jury.
 
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fatandfast said:
There are things in your comments that I will assume as facts. So first if during his proceedings a judge came across a 1.5 million dollar donation(bribe by your description) would that not be obvious witness tampering or obstruction of justice? I mean after all the time line and events appear well defined. Why was this disregard for the law discovered by anybody and everybody except the bar association or a higher court?

It is also a misstep to say that personal expenses and professional ones are easy to define. Many of Armstrong's activities do not appear to have any professional merit to the unknowing. How in the world could traveling from country to country giving brief motivational talks, posing for photos and handshakes be a tax deduction? the questioned is asked over and over and is answered in Livestrongs status as a non profit.
When Lance goes on a charity bike ride to most people it is unreasonable to deduct his travel, lodging, transportation,food, dozens of other expenses for something he would be doing anyway, but that is part of the insanity of the US tax code.

Because I don't know anything about the board or general operations of Livestrong it is hard to conclude one way or the other if a rubber stamp is used on all things Armstrong. I just can't imagine that sane people would would put millions of dollars and 100's of jobs at risk for something that as you
have stated is obviously immoral and illegal.
If your time lines are correct the world has fallen off it's access. Frankie testified in @2006, since then Armstrong and everything he has been involved in have grown both in popularity and monetary gain.

If even some of the things you have written are true then we are all hosed. Our courts, lawyers, judges are all corrupt and have given Armstrong special privilege. Our hospitals,doctors, nurses and administrators are evil and ugly for their brilliant coordinated collusion with Lance for 1.5 million in blood money. The IRS has turned a blind eye to a tax deadbeat bike rider and his multitude of tax free foundations. The wheels of justice may need ceramic bearings to catch up on this 5 million SCA injustice. It's a worldwide thing, remember that Lance can walk through airports as far away as Switzerland with bags full of whatever he wants. Everybody is in on coating him with teflon.

The alleged perjury committed by LE Armstrong was during a deposition hearing in the SCA case. I am certain by the tenderness of the cross-examination by SCA's counsel on LA during the deposition hearing they were keeping their powder dry for the real event. That did not occur as the civil litigation was settled (like all LA's civil litigation skirmishes).

I expect if LA appears in the witness box in a criminal trial his SCA responses will be re-visited as a tool for exposing his lack of credibility.

Are there in existence other foundation founders that have at their disposal a corporate jet? I do not know who owns and operates this jet but if it is owned or leased by an entity in which LA has an interest payments to that entity by Livestrong are not in compliance to maintain tax exempt status.

The Tour Down Under paid LA between $2m & $3m for his cancer awareness crusade to Australia (the crusade being the justification for his comeback). Armstrong admitted to pocketing the whole amount even though it was known some parts of the payments related to "Livestrong" brand licensing and re-reimbursement for travel costs (charged in the normal course to Livestrong?). Naughty boy Lance. Did he obtain board approval, ie rubber stamp?

As Livestrong is tax exempt expenses incurred are not "tax deductible". However, the foundation cannot spend recklessly as expenses incurred must be seen as reasonable to raise donations and payments for programs relating to the objects of the foundation. Excessive payments to or on behalf of executives and board members can bring the wrath of the IRS down on Livestrong by withdrawing their tax exempt status and charging penalty taxes to those individuals who prospered.

No tax exempt status would see the demise of Livestrong.

Lance has led a protected life up to now. He was previously only dealing with civil litigation which was optional and could be opted out - which he did on all cases.

The UCI allegedly protected him to their financial benefit from his "donations".

The tide turned when he trod on Floyd's toes. There was sufficient exposure from Floyd of information to lead to an investigation how a corporation deemed to be funded by US taxpayer dollars was in breach of a fundamental condition in the contract and funding that breach activity through alleged criminal conduct. Unless he does a plea deal with prosecutors, which will disclose his admissions of guilt, he cannot opt out of this proceeding.
 
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Thoughtforfood said:
And some people just make sh!t up regarding what others write. Because if you can read (I am assuming such, but you could have a chimp transcribing your thoughts if you had a trained chimp and were also illiterate. Since this is via computer, there is no certain method of confirmation unless you want to send me your address), I clearly did not infer anything regarding certainty or even likelihood of even an investigation. So, use a smaller brush if you are going to come here to bemoan the writings of others.

I'm not bemoaning! I'm enjoying what you're writing.
 
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MarkvW said:
You've got it all wrong! Clinic posters have stated that Lance "will" be charged with (unarticulated) crimes or that there is a "high probability" that Lance will be charged with said (unarticulated) crimes. He's not teflon! HIS DOOM IS NEAR!! You read it here first!

I like your argument! Either Lance is innocent or the entire fabric of our society is hosed! It's right up there with the 'evidence is evidence' argument or the 85% chance that doping caused Lance's cancer argument. Keep it up! Don't let the haters get you down! Your arguments equal theirs in reasoning power!

there is a third option. Lance is a turd guilty of a variety of misdeeds.

The idea of Lance charged under RICO is dumb. Trusted employees at hospitals and within the court system are intelligent and made decisions based on different information that allowed them to make a logical conclusion based on their experience and the facts available. When Novitzky started his work I am sure that there were circumstances that pointed toward wrong doing by Armstrong.
Evident in recent court cases of great magnitude from the murder of children to an almost decade old drug charges against athletes,the over charging of the accused either directly on inadvertently let them walk free. Yes Lance has pulled a bunch of crazy sh/t but the guy is not smart enough to pull off ultra coordinated international drug distribution and income fraud over decades. While Lance may be guilty ,the idea that airport security, judges, lawyers,doctors,volunteers just to name a few are accused of swimming in his cesspool is wrong as a whole. I still maintain faith in people and find that Lance has some instant hypnotic ability to make people think and do wrong without any previous contact, which most often here is suggested to be hero worship or bribes is absurd. If and when Armstrong ever goes to court the puffed up charges will probably have him available to BBQ with Casey Anthony, Barry Bonds and The Rocket.
 
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fatandfast said:
there is a third option. Lance is a turd guilty of a variety of misdeeds.

The idea of Lance charged under RICO is dumb. Trusted employees at hospitals and within the court system are intelligent and made decisions based on different information that allowed them to make a logical conclusion based on their experience and the facts available. When Novitzky started his work I am sure that there were circumstances that pointed toward wrong doing by Armstrong.
Evident in recent court cases of great magnitude from the murder of children to an almost decade old drug charges against athletes,the over charging of the accused either directly on inadvertently let them walk free. Yes Lance has pulled a bunch of crazy sh/t but the guy is not smart enough to pull off ultra coordinated international drug distribution and income fraud over decades. While Lance may be guilty ,the idea that airport security, judges, lawyers,doctors,volunteers just to name a few are accused of swimming in his cesspool is wrong as a whole. I still maintain faith in people and find that Lance has some instant hypnotic ability to make people think and do wrong without any previous contact, which most often here is suggested to be hero worship or bribes is absurd. If and when Armstrong ever goes to court the puffed up charges will probably have him available to BBQ with Casey Anthony, Barry Bonds and The Rocket.

Well worded and funny for the most part. I got a lot of chuckles reading this this am..

The first bolded I have to agree with you. He alone just is not smart enough.

The second I disagree...have you ever seen people falling all over themselves when they get around some celebrity or well known person?? They look and act idiotic...'hero worship' of sorts...we've all seen it and go* forbid hope you've never acted like this. ;)
Lance seems to have this effect on people...SOME people who are in awe of his 'accomplishments'.

Does Lance do bribes? erm...well I certainly think if he can't bully then a 'bribe' might be a good term....think 'donation'.
 
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fatandfast said:
Yes Lance has pulled a bunch of crazy sh/t but the guy is not smart enough to pull off ultra coordinated international drug distribution and income fraud over decades. .


Agreed, He wasn't smart enough to pull it off. That's why he is going to prison.
 
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Race Radio said:
Agreed, He wasn't smart enough to pull it off. That's why he is going to prison.
I can't find any reference to a decision on Armstrong's grand jury motion. Where did you learn of it? Thanks.
 
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Agreed, He wasn't smart enough to pull it off. That's why he is going to prison.

You could be right. I just don't see it. When you are outside of ultra cyclists and hear people talk about Lance all the stuff about RICO or the federal government spending millions chasing him.
I think that the screw ups in Bonds, Clemens will meet with a very different reaction from John Q Public if they are made in the hunt for Pharmstrong . When the economy was steaming along and everybody was fat dumb and happy, a whimsical head hunt for drug squirting ball players was something people would put up with. If Armstrong is accused and there is a procedural or factual dropped ball lots of people are going to lose their jobs. If Novitzky has one of those big cork board things with photos on it and lines of connection all over, like in the movies,kind of a crime family tree, the pictures of Frankie,Tyler and Flandis have got to be part of the reason that Lance has not been charged. Talk about a shaky foundation
 
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You could be right. I just don't see it. When you are outside of ultra cyclists and hear people talk about Lance all the stuff about RICO or the federal government spending millions chasing him.
I think that the screw ups in Bonds, Clemens will meet with a very different reaction from John Q Public if they are made in the hunt for Pharmstrong . When the economy was steaming along and everybody was fat dumb and happy, a whimsical head hunt for drug squirting ball players was something people would put up with. If Armstrong is accused and there is a procedural or factual dropped ball lots of people are going to lose their jobs. If Novitzky has one of those big cork board things with photos on it and lines of connection all over, like in the movies,kind of a crime family tree, the pictures of Frankie,Tyler and Flandis have got to be part of the reason that Lance has not been charged. Talk about a shaky foundation
You are funny. Have to give you that. Your "reason" Armstrong hasn't been charged yet is amazing.
 

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You are funny. Have to give you that. Your "reason" Armstrong hasn't been charged yet is amazing.

Some of the comments are funny. As if to say that the doping products were obtain legitimately. If you’re involved in using doping products generally you obtained said products illegally. If you go one step further and provide the products not only for yourself but for others as Armstrong did then you start getting into dealing of illegal products – ie you don’t obtain them legally for others. With all of that said you have to pay for the products. You’re not going to use your credit card so you have to find a way to fund such activities in an illegal manner that looks clean. That’s when the set up of such accounts begins. Once you start that you find other ways to channel money once the infrastructure and process is in place to do so. Regular street dealers know this process. As you step on the chain the find ways to keep the money clean whilst in moves around the organisation.
 
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Hog-it's not only the procurement of PED's and the setting up of accounts to fund these transactions.

What about the apparatus itself? The expertise to do blood transfusions, the monitoring of blood levels so no one tests positive or get sick from these transfusions?

This costs money too, and cannot be written off on an expense account as "services rendered" by the team doctor. This money HAS TO by it's association with the whole organized doping program remain as off-the-books or difficult/impossible to trace as possible.

And how could a team director reconcile such amounts paid to team doctors or "trainers" such as Ferrari to the sponsor?

Funny stuff indeed...
 
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fatandfast said:
there is a third option. Lance is a turd guilty of a variety of misdeeds.

The idea of Lance charged under RICO is dumb.

Okay, I'll bite. What RICO predicate offenses? What dates of offenses? A short description of the operative facts relating to each offense? How can you say that RICO charges are dumb unless you can articulate what the dumb charges actually are? You can't reasonably say that Lance won't get charged just like I can't reasonably say he will.
 
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I can't find any reference to a decision on Armstrong's grand jury motion. Where did you learn of it? Thanks.

I googled Google news and the only pertinent result is Race Radio's post. The absence of other media reports tends to indicate that his source is not media and I'm reasonably confident he's not associated with the gov't side of the case. . . .
 
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After what happened with Bonds (the *** Jury), and Clemens (the *** Prosecutors), I wouldn't be getting my hopes up on Big Tex going to Jail. Would be brilliant to see though.
 

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No reason to keep such things secret, nor reason to believe that Fabiani would be required to keep his mouth shut regarding the basic revelation that there were sanctions. Looks like a loss for Oedipus Tex and his merry band of propagandists.

I wonder if Oedipus Tex has tweeted anything yet?

No reason to keep it a secret?
Looks like a loss for Lance?
I suppose...

But what if the judge ruled in favor of the motion.
Motion asking for an FBI investigation into all the leaks.
Might make sense to keep that secret too?
 
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MarkvW said:
I googled Google news and the only pertinent result is Race Radio's post. The absence of other media reports tends to indicate that his source is not media and I'm reasonably confident he's not associated with the gov't side of the case. . . .

The RR post was almost word for word copy of a tweet by Grayson Schaffer(editor, Otside Magazine) - http://twitter.com/#!/GraysonSchaffer
 
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Some of the comments are funny. As if to say that the doping products were obtain legitimately. If you’re involved in using doping products generally you obtained said products illegally. If you go one step further and provide the products not only for yourself but for others as Armstrong did then you start getting into dealing of illegal products – ie you don’t obtain them legally for others. With all of that said you have to pay for the products. You’re not going to use your credit card so you have to find a way to fund such activities in an illegal manner that looks clean. That’s when the set up of such accounts begins. Once you start that you find other ways to channel money once the infrastructure and process is in place to do so. Regular street dealers know this process. As you step on the chain the find ways to keep the money clean whilst in moves around the organisation.

think about all the Southern Californians that know this not to be true. There are so many pharmacies in TJ that if they don't have what you want, they will suggest a quick lunch or additional shopping and it will be delivered and waiting when you get back. Cera/Micera is not as easy to get as asprin but not much harder. Lots of stories of trolley riders or guys taking a 40 dollar bus from LA to get all kinds of stuff done in Mexico. You can get x-rays for single digits, dental and medical work done for pennies on the dollar. Not testifying to nay qualifications or quality just saying if you need somebody to inject you and you live in the first world that borders the 3rd it's pretty f-cking easy. In Berlin you can go into Poland and get anything you want, pick a country bordered by ex-commie habitat and Cera is available legally
 
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