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[Velodude]

Cycling Weekly (UK) put 19 questions to the UCIincluding Armstrong's alleged financing of the Sysmex machine. No reply was received.

Note question 3 where Cycling Weekly date the $100,000 to have been received by the UCI in May 2006 - one month after the dubious and controversial pro LA Vrijman Report was released.

And why would the UCI be transporting a laboratory type machine around the tour course when they have contracted a professional WADA accredited lab to analyze riders' samples?

19 KEY QUESTIONS FOR THE UCI

1. Pat McQuaid said the donation from Mr Armstrong was pledged in 2002 after he and Johan Bruyneel visited UCI headquarters in Aigle. Mr McQuaid said the pledge was made in 2002 but the money did not come in until 2005 when 'a phone call was made'. Why was there the delay?

2. Who telephoned who to chase up the money?

3. Mr McQuaid said the payment was made in 2005 but at the Play the Game conference in October 2007, Mr McQuaid said the money came in 'about 15 months ago', which would make it around May 2006. So when exactly did the money arrive in the UCI bank account? Was it made by bank transfer by Mr Armstrong or by a company?

 

[Microchip]

...I watched the ToC denial again from 2010. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPl1yP7eaRw&feature=related

What's interesting is his body language and mannerisms...

I agree with you. It would be interesting to hear an analysis of a body language expert on this clip. Even as a layperson, I find it revealing.

At 5:40 of the clip someone asks "What do you think about the details? ... The details are quite detailed", he cannot help but put his hand to conceal his mouth while the journalist tries to shape her question properly.

He shrugs throughout the entire interview, and shakes his head with resignation, as if to convey bewilderment at all of this.

 

[sniper]

I agree with you. It would be interesting to hear an analysis of a body language expert on this clip. Even as a layperson, I find it revealing.

At 5:40 of the clip someone asks "What do you think about the details? ... The details are quite detailed", he cannot help but put his hand to conceal his mouth while the journalist tries to shape her question properly.

He shrugs throughout the entire interview, and shakes his head with resignation, as if to convey bewilderment at all of this.

I personally find that in that footage, LA manages to stay quite cool, given the circumstances. His hand to his mouth doesn't look suspicious to me.

For me, exactly his coolness is what gives him away. If somebody were really sucking such damaging stories from his thumb and spreading them in world-wide news outlets, I'd respond friggin enfuriated.
No such emotions from Pharmstrong.

 

[Microchip]

...For me, exactly his coolness is what gives him away...

That's a good point. He's so cool about such serious accusations, attempting to make it appear that the allegations are the same old tired line, which they aren't. Interesting.

 

[thehog]

I personally find that in that footage, LA manages to stay quite cool, given the circumstances. His hand to his mouth doesn't look suspicious to me.

For me, exactly his coolness is what gives him away. If somebody were really sucking such damaging stories from his thumb and spreading them in world-wide news outlets, I'd respond friggin enfuriated.
No such emotions from Pharmstrong.

Actually you're right. If for example none of it was true and Floyd was like Armstrong was telling the media - "a drunk and a desperate trouble maker" - he'd be a lot more angry. He'd also be slapping down law suits quicker than you can say "disgraced former Tour winner'.

Its fairly obvious the strategy was to not respond to the allegations but to trash Floyd as a loser. It had worked in the past so Armstrong/Hog probably thought it was going to work again and that people would still "believe".

You might remember about 4 hours later Armstrong released the "Floyd emails" on his website which had Armstrong's replies deleted out but had Floyd saying things like: "Hi Johan - Do you think there might be a spot on the team this year?" - to which Armstrong was trying to suggest this was "blackmail".

There was also an incident at the Tour of Belgium later that year (can' find the footage) whereby a fan is shouting at Armstrong and calling him a "cheat". Armstrong's reaction was to jump over the railing and berate the guy by starting a fight. Its a interesting reaction - the guy apparently was a longtime fan who was shocked and disappointed at the revelations. For Armstrong to want to want to punch the crap out of him shows the sort of guy he is - beat up the fans who don't believe but act calmly about Floyd scared to say too much or too little for fear of stepping int he doping dung.

It really was checkmate from Floyd. He absolutley nailed him in the biggest way possible.

I was in in the US last year when that video was shot. When I saw it that night I was so angry with Armstrong's statements but I look at it now and just laugh. The guy is lost - thats no way to live a life - he looks pained and very troubled.

My thinking is that Armstrong never thought Floyd was going to go nuclear. He also thought that by Floyd saving his own skin and not admitting to doping would also be his own saviour... how wrong his was.

 

[Microchip]

Saw the footage of Lance retaliating to the fan. He picks his subjects...he knows who to intimidate. He knew he could 'shove' Tyler around, but he doesn't try the same tactic on Floyd. Floyd Landis is clearly someone who doesn't get intimidated [easily].

 

[Berzin]

I was in in the US last year when that video was shot. When I saw it that night I was so angry with Armstrong's statements but I look at it now and just laugh. The guy is lost - thats no way to live a life - he looks pained and very troubled.

I don't think he looks pained or troubled at all. I think he was very calm and relaxed.

By discrediting someone who is already an easy person to discredit (Landis) with comments about the time the emails were sent (insinuating that Floyd was probably drinking and then getting the urge to go ballistic at 2 or 3 in the morning when more rational people would be asleep) I think Armstrong believes that no one would believe Floyd, including the Feds.

And I don't think he ever thought the Federal investigation would be as in-depth as it's proven to be. This is what's giving him the arrogance he displays in this video.

My thinking is that Armstrong never thought Floyd was going to go nuclear.

I think he never thought the Feds would go nuclear. The authorities freezing accounts allegedly belonging to Dr. Ferrari is a big step into this investigation.

Everything hinges on what type of testimony the authorities can get from this man. I believe he is the linchpin to the investigation, and Armstrong will not be able to discredit the man many believe to be at the center of Armstrong's Tour success.

 

[thehog]

I don't think he looks pained or troubled at all. I think he was very calm and relaxed.

By discrediting someone who is already an easy person to discredit (Landis) with comments about the time the emails were sent (insinuating that Floyd was probably drinking and then getting the urge to go ballistic at 2 or 3 in the morning when more rational people would be asleep) I think Armstrong believes that no one would believe Floyd, including the Feds.

And I don't think he ever thought the Federal investigation would be as in-depth as it's proven to be. This is what's giving him the arrogance he displays in this video.




I think he never thought the Feds would go nuclear. The authorities freezing accounts allegedly belonging to Dr. Ferrari is a big step into this investigation.

Everything hinges on what type of testimony the authorities can get from this man. I believe he is the linchpin to the investigation, and Armstrong will not be able to discredit the man many believe to be at the center of Armstrong's Tour success.

Nah he's sweating big time - he knows the game is up.

He knew since Feburary 2010 when Floyd got "in touch" that there was an old debt to pay.

This was when Armstrong's weight started going up & down, he started dropping out of races and his behavior became very mysterious. He knew it was a matter of time before Floyd threw the grenade. Secretly he hoped Floyd wouldn't and tried to placate him with hints on hiring him.

Armstrong was fried & he knew it - he even scrambles mentioning other names and even Allan Lim!

As I've said before; Armstrong has reached his worst fear - irrelevancy. He doesn't matter anymore & is a total joke.

What followed over the next few months with the Lance "gratitude" site that was hacked, facts4lance and every other PR bungle was just embarrassing.

 

[Cimacoppi48]

Nah he's sweating big time - he knows the game is up.

He knew since Feburary 2010 when Floyd got "in touch" that there was an old debt to pay.

This was when Armstrong's weight started going up & down, he started dropping out of races and his behavior became very mysterious. He knew it was a matter of time before Floyd threw the grenade. Secretly he hoped Floyd wouldn't and tried to placate him with hints on hiring him.

Armstrong was fried & he knew it - he even scrambles mentioning other names and even Allan Lim!

As I've said before; Armstrong has reached his worst fear - irrelevancy. He doesn't matter anymore & is a total joke.

What followed over the next few months with the Lance "gratitude" site that was hacked, facts4lance and every other PR bungle was just embarrassing.

A costly embarrassment, too.

 

[ChrisE]

There was also an incident at the Tour of Belgium later that year (can' find the footage) whereby a fan is shouting at Armstrong and calling him a "cheat". Armstrong's reaction was to jump over the railing and berate the guy by starting a fight. Its a interesting reaction - the guy apparently was a longtime fan who was shocked and disappointed at the revelations. For Armstrong to want to want to punch the crap out of him shows the sort of guy he is - beat up the fans who don't believe but act calmly about Floyd scared to say too much or too little for fear of stepping int he doping dung.
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Really? I remember him asking the guy to say it to his face...don't remember the extracurricular activities you describe. Can you elaborate?

 

[thehog]

Really? I remember him asking the guy to say it to his face...don't remember the extracurricular activities you describe. Can you elaborate?

Remember teasing is not allowed in the clinic.


I lied. It was Tour de Luxembourg. Armstrong straddles the barrier and gestures to the fan to come to him and "say it to my face". You'll note Lance's bouncer moves in to add to the threat. Very sad. Like i said the guy was a long time fan who was disappointed by his hero. Methinks once the former fan saw that his hero wanted to punch his lights out with 7 of his bodyguards that he's no longer a hero.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpdeFJTGTN8&sns=em

 

[ChrisE]

Remember teasing is not allowed in the clinic.


I lied. It was Tour de Luxembourg. Armstrong straddles the barrier and gestures to the fan to come to him and "say it to my face". You'll note Lance's bouncer moves in to add to the threat. Very sad. Like i said the guy was a long time fan who was disappointed by his hero. Methinks once the former fan saw that his hero wanted to punch his lights out with 7 of his bodyguards that he's no longer a hero.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpdeFJTGTN8&sns=em

No teasing, just trying to keep you guys from rewriting history and sensationalizing things to support your opinions. The BS is not what race it was at, btw.....the bs in your post is saying he jumped the barrier and started a fight.

 

[mewmewmew13]

I think in the first link that hog posted where he is responding to Landis' allegations that he is reeling and angry looking. He doesn't look like he had slept and looks quite unhealthy---he has sort of a flipped-out look in his face like he is seething but trying hard to act cool...weird body language.

Not the way you would expect a normal person to act if you were innocent, but his jaw looks tense and his face looks hard...although I don't think I've ever seen him when he looks like a relaxed and smiling character.

 

[patricknd]

No teasing, just trying to keep you guys from rewriting history and sensationalizing things to support your opinions. The BS is not what race it was at, btw.....the bs in your post is saying he jumped the barrier and started a fight.

it was a fantasy, not a lie.

 

[thehog]

No teasing, just trying to keep you guys from rewriting history and sensationalizing things to support your opinions. The BS is not what race it was at, btw.....the bs in your post is saying he jumped the barrier and started a fight.

Alas the point remains. It was an unusual reaction. He was angry man and wanted to silence the fan.

No BS. Just you trying to trip me wherever I go. It's ok I'm used to it.

Let's discuss Lance not me. Play the ball not the man. This is'nt about me.

The discussion is on body language and Armstrong's reaction to Floyds claims. Nothing else. Stop diverting it to me.

 

[thehog]

I think in the first link that hog posted where he is responding to Landis' allegations that he is reeling and angry looking. He doesn't look like he had slept and looks quite unhealthy---he has sort of a flipped-out look in his face like he is seething but trying hard to act cool...weird body language.

Not the way you would expect a normal person to act if you were innocent, but his jaw looks tense and his face looks hard...although I don't think I've ever seen him when he looks like a relaxed and smiling character.

That was my original stance also. I guess that's why he crashed out of the race. He looks mentally beat. I think if he could have he would have retired that day. He knows it's over.

 

[Velodude]

You do not have to progress very far into that bus side video statement/interview of/with Armstrong to be confronted with LA untruths. (Note Bruyneel standing beside as support)

Question: “So lance you never paid the UCI any money? “
Armstrong: “Absolutely not”

He has already admitted under oath in the SCA deposition hearing in 2005 that he had paid money to the UCI notwithstanding Pat McQuaid has struggled to detail his payments that UCI has acknowledged being received.

Armstrong: “This is a man (Floyd Landis) who took somewhat close to a million dollars from innocent people for a defense under a different premise.”

The innocent people must include those persons, being Tailwind backers, that Armstrong urged to contribute to Floyd's FFF fund and comprised 75% of the total amounts (according to Floyd) in the hope the monetary support would lead to disgracing LA's nemeses, the French and the French lab.

 

[mewmewmew13]

You do not have to progress very far into that bus side video statement/interview of/with Armstrong to be confronted with LA untruths. (Note Bruyneel standing beside as support)



He has already admitted under oath in the SCA deposition hearing in 2005 that he had paid money to the UCI notwithstanding Pat McQuaid has struggled to detail his payments that UCI has acknowledged being received.



The innocent people must include those persons, being Tailwind backers, that Armstrong urged to contribute to Floyd's FFF fund and comprised 75% of the total amounts (according to Floyd) in the hope the monetary support would lead to disgracing LA's nemeses, the French and the French lab.

I assumed Bruyneel's role in standing next to Lance was in case of a gaffe, Johan would sneak a jab into LA's ribs ---or pounce on the conversation if Lance started to go ballistic.

During the whole Floyd FF and ensuing denial was there any on-the-record quote of support for Floyd by Lance? ..just wondering and I can't remember anymore--but it would be wonderful if someone would pose this question directly to Lance's face ....would be interesting to see his response.

 

[ChrisE]

Alas the point remains. It was an unusual reaction. He was angry man and wanted to silence the fan.

No BS. Just you trying to trip me wherever I go. It's ok I'm used to it.

Let's discuss Lance not me. Play the ball not the man. This is'nt about me.

The discussion is on body language and Armstrong's reaction to Floyds claims. Nothing else. Stop diverting it to me.

Anything can be discussed......if LA is such a bad person and easy mark, then you shouldn't have to make stuff up to discuss his many sins.

 

[ChrisE]

The innocent people must include those persons, being Tailwind backers, that Armstrong urged to contribute to Floyd's FFF fund and comprised 75% of the total amounts (according to Floyd) in the hope the monetary support would lead to disgracing LA's nemeses, the French and the French lab.

How ironic. When FL gets around to paying back all the FFF $ he will be paying Tailwind and LA. It's enough to make your head spin, I tell ya.

 

[thehog]

If you don't think it was unusal how Lance strandle the barrier to deal with the fan at the ToL then say so. Tell us your interpretation. Tell us what you see when you watch the footage.

I provided the video. I provided my view - what about yours? Tell us what you saw. You're still trying to turn this onto me. I'd like to hear your analysis of the video. Don't worry so much about what I saw - but what did you see? I'd actually like to hear counter balance.

Of course if you don't want to then that's fine. But stop questioning my posts if you can't ante up and provide your own counter analysis.

 

[ChrisE]

Thanks Chris but the Clinic has changed now.

I've asked the mods to review your post. Its not particularly bad but we're here to discuss Armstrong and the question at hand was his body language and associtad reactions at the 2010 ToC and ToL. You're still trying to make it about me.*
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Good, let them review it. We can get some clarity on whether we can just blatantly lie like you did, and not get called on it.

 

[Berzin]

If you don't think it was unusal how Lance strandle the barrier to deal with the fan at the ToL then say so. Tell us your interpretation. Tell us what you see when you watch the footage.

You know what's more disturbing than what you're alluding to? The fan reaction. They practically egged him on when he jumped on the barrier, and seemed enthralled with his thuggish behavior.

That partly explains why Armstrong felt free to suddenly act like he's from the 'hood.

As an aside, and I know that particular camera angle didn't catch it, but it seemed as if he was grinning when he came back down. Maybe he was trying to have fun with the crowd. Who knows.

 

[Velodude]

How ironic. When FL gets around to paying back all the FFF $ he will be paying Tailwind and LA. It's enough to make your head spin, I tell ya.

Repaying Tailwind & LA the 100's of thousands they contributed to the FFF? Don't think so.

They were not duped that Floyd was innocent. Their prime motive was to discredit the same French anti-doping laboratory, Laboratoire national de dépistage du dopage de Châtenay-Malabry, that re-tested LA's 1999 "B" samples and found EPO positives.

Besides, the Tailwind backers are expected to be indicted along with LA for being part of a criminal enterprise that breached Federal laws on the road to providing PEDs to cycling team members.

 

[Polish]

If you don't think it was unusal how Lance strandle the barrier to deal with the fan at the ToL then say so. Tell us your interpretation. Tell us what you see when you watch the footage.

I provided the video. I provided my view - what about yours? Tell us what you saw. You're still trying to turn this onto me. I'd like to hear your analysis of the video. Don't worry so much about what I saw - but what did you see? I'd actually like to hear counter balance.

Of course if you don't want to then that's fine. But stop questioning my posts if you can't ante up and provide your own counter analysis.

Let it go, the Hog.
That incident is irrelavent. Faded into irrevalency.
Bye Bye incident.
Old Long Ago. Auld Lang Syne.

Although at the time, Boo Boo Boo BooBoy was comical.
Pretty funny you must admit.
Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo.
Lance took it serious back then. Heat of the race. Spreading awareness.
Today he would laugh it off. Boo Boo Boo lol.